England XV vs New Zealand First Test

by robshaw4england Thu 22 May 2014, 8:09 pm

First topic message reminder :

1. Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2. *Rob Webber(Bath) Dave Ward (Harlequins)
3. Dave Wilson (Bath)
4. Joe Launchberry (Wasps)
5. Dave Attwood (Bath)
6. Tom Johnson (Exeter)
7. Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
8. Ben Morgan (Gloucester)

9. Danny Care (Harlequins)
10. Danny Cipriani (Sale)
11. Jonny May (Gloucester)
12. *Billy Twelvetrees (Gloucester) Kyle Eastmond (Bath)
13. Manu Tuilagi (Leicester)
14. Marland Yard (Harlequins)
15. Mike Brown (Harlequins)

16. Dave Ward (Harlequins) Joe Gray (Harlequins)
17. Matt Mullan (Wasps)
18. Henry Thomas (Bath)
19. Ed Slater (Leicester)
20. James Haskell (Wasps)
21. Ben Youngs (Leicester)
22. Freddie Burns (Leicester)
23. Kyle Eastmond (Bath) Henry Trinder (Gloucester)

*Injury concern...

Thoughts?

by Nachos Jones Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:29 am

Personally I feel that England have been very good and possibly deserved of the lead. I was really worried that they would struggle without Care's influence but they have been very positive. Still 40mins to go but continue to play like this and I think the English may edge it here.

by doctor_grey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:29 am

formerly known as Sam wrote:At what point is Owens going to start pinging the ABs for lying all over the ball at the breakdown?

The England pack look like they are missing some firepower ball in hand. Manu and Eastmond are creating space and getting us into the AB 22 but then the forwards are just getting the ball and everything is slowing down because they just can't make any ground and put us on the front foot with some usable ball. Launchbury looks lightweight and Parling has never been much of a ball carrier. Wilson has been shocking in the loose but good in the tight. Need to change something up. Morgan needs to get involved he's there to carry the thing not guard the rucks and watch his team mates go backwards.

Webber playing well, Eastmond is injecting so much creation and Is bringing our outside backs into the game, Manu is then getting space and looking good. Youngs/Burns combo looks to be working nicely as well. Flankers work rate is excellent and proving to be crucial.

That's because the forwards are standing dead still before getting the ball whenever England get close to the 22.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:32 am

thank you owens for actually pinging NZ for taking people out

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:32 am

oh and May you wally!

by timhen Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:34 am

Both sides making sloppy, silly errors (you'd expect some in the first test, but too many from both sides of this level), England will probably be more frustrated because they had a number in positions which looked like they could have led to points.

I'm fearful for England in the last quarter, I think we'll need to be ahead by then to stand a chance of winning it.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:34 am

we're losing our shape now, not thinking clearly

by blackcanelion Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:34 am

doctor_grey wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:At what point is Owens going to start pinging the ABs for lying all over the ball at the breakdown?

The England pack look like they are missing some firepower ball in hand. Manu and Eastmond are creating space and getting us into the AB 22 but then the forwards are just getting the ball and everything is slowing down because they just can't make any ground and put us on the front foot with some usable ball. Launchbury looks lightweight and Parling has never been much of a ball carrier. Wilson has been shocking in the loose but good in the tight. Need to change something up. Morgan needs to get involved he's there to carry the thing not guard the rucks and watch his team mates go backwards.

Webber playing well, Eastmond is injecting so much creation and Is bringing our outside backs into the game, Manu is then getting space and looking good. Youngs/Burns combo looks to be working nicely as well. Flankers work rate is excellent and proving to be crucial.
That's because the forwards are standing dead still before getting the ball whenever England get close to the 22.

Probably about the same time he starts pinging the English team for the same offence.

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:35 am

nathan wrote:oh and May you wally!

Still retained possession.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:36 am

Have NZ woken up?

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:36 am

mystiroakey wrote:
nathan wrote:oh and May you wally!

Still retained possession.

only just! he should ran the opposite way!

by formerly known as Sam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:37 am

Beautiful little falter step from Nonu then a little helping hand on Manu to help him go past the tackle. Nice footwork from the big man. I think Hanson may have provided a kick up the back side of the ABs.

by sickofwendy Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:38 am

Another strong scrum from England

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:39 am

What do people think of May so far? think he could be dropped?

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:41 am

Is Owens having a laugh

by **Pal Joey** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:41 am

Some great touches and passes from the ABs early in the 2nd half.
Fekitoa should be on soon.... can't wait.

Didn't think that was a knock on either. Looked backwards to me.

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:41 am

May is lively I like him. But Ashton has taken his first place back

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:41 am

nathan wrote:What do people think of May so far? think he could be dropped?

Can see Yarde moving to 11 and Ashton coming in

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 am

well done owens...

by king_carlos Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 am

Definitely went back again

by Manu's Boxing Coach Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 am

Nigel Owens is making a mockery of his position as the best ref in the world

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 am

Another dodgy decision from the ref. not a knock on

by sickofwendy Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 am

Karma

by **Pal Joey** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 am

ah.. put the mockers on them.

Sorry kia and cane... I'll go easy on the compliments from now on.

by alfie Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:43 am

Looked as if it went back on my TV set ...

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:44 am

Linebreaker wrote:ah.. put the mockers on them.

Sorry kia and cane... I'll go easy on the compliments from now on.

Come on LB. Keep it up pal.. There are more English to suck up to thumbsup

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:44 am

Both back. Owens making some strange decisions there.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:44 am

Barnes told to shut up hehe

by **Pal Joey** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:45 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:ah.. put the mockers on them.

Sorry kia and cane... I'll go easy on the compliments from now on.

Come on LB. Keep it up pal.. There are more English to suck up to

ha ha. you bugger! Hug

by **Biltong** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:46 am

Manu's Boxing Coach wrote:Nigel Owens is making a mockery of his position as the best ref in the world

He is starting to believe the hype about himself Wink

by timhen Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:46 am

England's chase on their kicks isn't good enough at the moment.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:46 am

this could be it now, NZ finally click.

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:47 am

Good changes there by Hansen. We need some life injected in this game.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:47 am

timhen wrote:England's chase on their kicks isn't good enough at the moment.

on that last one they were all forwards other than yarde

by No9 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:47 am

England playing really well, Blacks are well off top form, but I wish the commentators, particularly Barnes would shut the f@@@ up...

Ok, it's an English broadcast, hence going to have a bias, but please try and show some level of professionalism.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:48 am

was it a forward pass off the scrum anyway?

by alfie Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:48 am

Don't see NZ waste many chances like that !

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:49 am

No9 wrote:England playing really well, Blacks are well off top form, but I wish the commentators, particularly Barnes would shut the f@@@ up...

Ok, it's an English broadcast, hence going to have a bias, but please try and show some level of professionalism.

your not the only one in the world to wish him to shut up! he's just all hype!

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:49 am

Raheem Sterling would have been proud of that tackle Yarde made on Smith

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:50 am

Frak me Eastmond that was disgusting

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:50 am

i think i just watched robinson in an england shirt again.

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:51 am

Go may!!!!!

Darnnnn

by sickofwendy Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:52 am

Is Wilson wearing matt Stevens hands ?

by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:52 am

STOP KICKING THE RUCKING BALL AWAY!!!!!!!!

Jesus wept. Good turnover and Smith puts a nothing kick in to give possession straight back.

by BamBam Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:52 am

David Wilson is like Julian White ball in hand!

by **Pal Joey** Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:52 am

just those last passes not sticking... then a turn over.
Some more holes appearing on both sides now.

by nathan Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:52 am

sickofwendy wrote:Is Wilson wearing matt Stevens hands ?

nah, he would of given away 10 penalties already.

by rainbow-warrior Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:54 am

Well done Justin Marshall for just talking complete B**L S,,hit for the last 3 minutes, how you can hype up dreadful AB's play into a positive..brilliant picard

by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:55 am

Lol if England do win or draw. It's going to be down to NZ being off colour again.

by Cumbrian Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:56 am

England destroyed the All Black scrum twice there but got no reward, surely must have been a penalty?

by Cumbrian Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:57 am

Man in front from the knock on!

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