Ricky Burns - SPOILER

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Just read that he got upset in Glasgow getting dropped in the 1st 20 seconds and getting stunned a lot throughout the fight.

Is this the end of a lengthy spell in the sport having over achieved against the odds?

Hearn's looking at dropping Burns back down to domestic level. Scott Harrison has been mooted. That'd sell well in Glasgow.

Limond was never a one time World champ...Let alone double..

Leave with your head high and senses intact...

Plenty of work for this guy in Scotland in the Boxing game..

I reckon Burns will be used as cannon fodder going forward. Even if he beat Coyle or Crolla (who are both on good runs and looking at title shots soon) Burns' time at world level is gone and he will never win another world title. But if Coyle or Crolla etc beat Burns then (on these shores anyway) they will elevate to another level hype wise. Former two time world champion on their records whether we like it or not Burns was classed as one. I also think Burns looked a little soft around the gut the other night. Normally he is in good shape but he looked a little "bloated". Maybe his dedication to training isn't quite what it once was

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Limond was never a one time World champ...Let alone double..

Leave with your head high and senses intact...

Plenty of work for this guy in Scotland in the Boxing game..

But we've already stated that Burns epitomizes the term "overachiever" and if he's honest, he's had a career that comes along once in a blue moon for fighters of his ability. Not to disparage the guy, he's taken his chances as well as taken his lumps and deserves everything he's had but he does need to be realistic re his title ambitions and the fact that they're likely to be achieved at domestic level. I fully appreciate that having held a World title, it can be a bit of a come down for a fighter to be fighting several rungs down the ladder, but if he's got his head screwed on right, Burns can be happy at a lower level and, as you say, make a damn decent living out of it.

How can Burns be happy at a lower level ??

Come on.....

He has to make a living and if the price is right then I'm sure he will be happy enough. Burns vs Crolla would draw crowds. Burns vs another unheard of, unbeaten European challenger would not. Plus unless they are willing to send Burns abroad to face a top level LW then the days of fighting them are a distant memory. The only reason they got good opposition to the UK was because Burns had a belt. He doesn't anymore and the Beltran scores gave him a bad rep for hometown cooking. That Montenegro chap was close to getting robbed on Friday too. No big names will go anywhere near Burns' back yard anymore. It will have to be domestics for him now

Crolla is due a world title shot and If he's trashed..Burns v Crolla means diddly..

If you win Wimbledon why be happy with the last 16 after..

He's made a few bucks now go and pass on your knowledge..

It depends on if the only way you can make the money you need means only getting to the last 16 after that.

I get what your saying Truss that he probably won't be happy dropping down after being at the heights of World Champion BUT if he needs the money then he's gonna have to do it.

I hate going to work after being on leave, doesn't mean I can give up yet though as I need the money to pay the bills. Same thing for Burns.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How can Burns be happy at a lower level ??

Come on.....

How can he be happy getting hammered at a higher lever when he no longer possesses the ability to do anything about it?

(WHACK) "Thank God I'm (WHACK) in here getting (WHACK) punched in the face by (WHACK) a man whose significantly better (WHACK) than me instead of (WHACK) making good money (WHACK) defending British titles (WHACK) at a level (WHACK) I'm (WHACK) comfortable (WHACK) at (WHACK)."

There comes a point where Burns, his promoter and his fans, (however supportive) will understand that Burns is not a top tier fighter and he'll not get the big fights. He might not be happy about it but if he's smart, he'll learn to live with it. Maybe he'll have to learn to be content instead of happy, but, I think most will agree (and Hearn is one of them) Ricky's days as a world title fighter are over.

If that was an answer to my question..

It leaves a lot to be desired..

Like something Toppy would write and your better than that !!

Why is that not a good answer Trussy?

Because he's happy one minute and two posts later isn't..

I doubt that Burns has ever received a seven figure paycheck so unlike the true elite of the sport may have to carry on to make ends meet and the British domestic scene is quite strong at the moment so offers him plenty of winning opportunities.

Your not making much sense.

Burns is more than likely not going to have the option to fight for World Titles again unless it's for less money and getting smacked in the face a lot (which hurts and is likely to make you very unhappy)

Therefore being realistic he's going to fight domestically for more money and less pain which will make him happier that being smacked in the face a lot more.

If of course he has enough money he can retire and never box again at any level and is therefore super happy.

If he doesn't have the money and retires, he's going to be unhappy super quick when he realise's he can't pay his bills etc, he'll then more than likely have to lace them up again at domestic level but for less money than he would now.

Navratilova could probably still make the last 16 of most majors...

Where is the motivation in that ??

She doesn't need the money Truss,

Ricky Burns might.

Navratilova had career earnings of over $21mil Truss so didn't have to carry on playing although she did with very mixed results in the doubles.

Not going to earn much domestic wise..

He's a hero in Scotland...He'll have other opportunities

On that your wrong, he can still earn a lot domestically just by putting on bouts in Scotland, bouts where he won't be totally outclassed for 12 rounds too and where he can still dictate terms as he's the name not the other guy.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not going to earn much domestic wise..

He's a hero in Scotland...He'll have other opportunities

He should open a chippie. Build it and we will come!!

I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Burns, personally. He’s on a torrid run at the moment, but he’s only 31, is still under the biggest promotional banner in the UK with Sky Sports exposure and also has some of the better domestic / fringe Euro level names in the country in or around his weight class.

Maybe going after Limond’s British title at 140 could be an option in the next twelve months. Hearn has spoken about Burns going up to Light-Welter in the past (albeit that was right after the Beltran ‘draw’ where Eddie was naturally trying to find reasons for Ricky struggling so badly) and he does have the frame for it, being pretty big as he is at 135. Pretty sure Burns has even fought as a Welterweight a couple of his times earlier in his career. Wouldn’t normally recommend a step up for a guy who has little knockout power at his current weight as it is and can no longer land his once-reliable jab to keep people honest, but Limond isn’t the kind of fighter to compound those faults and is a converted Lightweight himself. But it would be a decent attraction in Scotland where Hearn is desperate to keep Burns drawing the crowds.

With regards to Friday’s fight, Halling and Watt drove me up the wall a wee bit with their scoring. You could have it quite close, maybe, but how did they have Burns winning it outright?

Have opponents just got wise to Burns now and spotted a way to cash in on his flaws as his fights have gained more prominence overseas? Has his level dropped from the Martinez, Moses and Mitchell fights? Or is it simply a case that Gonzalez, Beltran, Crawford and Zlaticanin are better fighters than those guys, and that Ricky’s performances in beating the former crop just wouldn’t have cut the mustard against the latter?

As I tend to think is often the case, it’s probably a mix of all of those factors. I think Burns looked like a fighter who is running out of confidence the other night, and fast. That jab which used to be the cornerstone of his whole game just wasn’t there (surprised they picked a southpaw for his return fight to be honest, for that very reason). He was flicking it out without stepping in and was moving himself away from the action before his jab had even been given a chance to land. As a result he had nowt to keep Zlaticanin off him….Burns has never been comfortable fighting at close range so as soon as the jab failed him the writing was on the wall. He either just retreated to the ropes and stuck the ear muffs on when Zlaticanin moved in, or brawled on his terms, eating the left hand just about every single time.

But even then, there were just a few signs of it coming together for him in the latter rounds – just a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel. I still think he’s got it in him to compete and possibly beat guys like Crolla, Mitchell (again), Limond etc, as long as he’s realistic enough to acknowledge that that’s his level now and is willing to train just as hard for less lavish rewards than he’s been used to getting in the past few years. Doing that requires the same old love for the sport and dedication, mind you. Whether he’s still got that to the same degree remains to be seen.

What's wrong with you guys ??

The only way is down for Burns now and he'll earn peanuts as well..

You know it..I know it..

Don't like to see good fighters ending up as zombies..

Apart from Honeyboy..

Sorry Truss but your completely wrong. The Scots are rabid about they're own and will continue to fill arena's to watch him fight, especially if it's against another Scot like Limmond.

He's more likely to end up a zombie if he continues to fight at World Class, you know it, and we all know it. He's not good enough there anymore.

If he has to continue to box for his family then do it at a lower level.

He will make better money now boxing than he will doing anything else. Hes 31 and has the chance to earn some good money in winnable fights for another couple of years before retiring. Nothing wrong with that.

Far worse that he passes up the chance to earn now and reality hits in 2 or 3 years and hes forced into a comeback just for the money. He ends up getting battered by younger fresher fighters for less money. Thats what really does the damage.

catchweight wrote:He will make better money now boxing than he will doing anything else. Hes 31 and has the chance to earn some good money in winnable fights for another couple of years before retiring. Nothing wrong with that.

Far worse that he passes up the chance to earn now and reality hits in 2 or 3 years and hes forced into a comeback just for the money. He ends up getting battered by younger fresher fighters for less money. Thats what really does the damage.

Ryan Rhodes take note!!!!!!!!!!!!!

superflyweight wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not going to earn much domestic wise..

He's a hero in Scotland...He'll have other opportunities

He should open a chippie.  Build it and we will come!!

Fried mars bars...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

superflyweight wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not going to earn much domestic wise..

He's a hero in Scotland...He'll have other opportunities

He should open a chippie.  Build it and we will come!!

Fried mars bars...

err DEEP fried Mars bars you culinary philistine!

Never been very deep....

Forget waterboarding...Feed them Deep fried Mars..

They'll sing like Canaries..

Sorry but how is Burns still a draw at home?

With the dodgy judges, even the Eastern European bin men won't be interested.

He's 1-2-1 is his last 4 fights.

Why would Hearn pay him big money to fight say Crolla?

Crolla would get the big payday, whereas Burns would get a tiny payday.

Obviously this is dependant on what shape Crolla's in after Richar Abril schools him.

Gerry SA wrote:Sorry but how is Burns still a draw at home?

With the dodgy judges, even the Eastern European bin men won't be interested.

He's 1-2-1 is his last 4 fights.

Why would Hearn pay him big money to fight say Crolla?

Crolla would get the big payday, whereas Burns would get a tiny payday.

Obviously this is dependant on what shape Crolla's in after Richar Abril schools him.

The Scots will always support their own until, like Scot Harrison, they get too big for their boots and then they'll do everything in their power to bring it all crashing down around their ears because they're a Country so hate-filled and possessing such low self esteem that they cannot abide the idea that some might drag themselves out of the mire they feel is their rightful place despite forever bleating on about how the English put them there.

Agree with Gerry and will add that Burns-Crolla has stinker written all over it...

Hardly as mouthwatering as a fried mars bar..

Burns v Crolla would be a good domestic fight. Hearn has said he will put Burns on the road. It would do well in Manchester and earn both guys a decent purse.

It only happens If Crolla loses..

Two losers fighting in a stinker..

catchweight wrote:Burns v Crolla would be a good domestic fight. Hearn has said he will put Burns on the road. It would do well in Manchester and earn both guys a decent purse.

What is a decent purse?

£20,000?

£50,000?

Gerry SA wrote:

catchweight wrote:Burns v Crolla would be a good domestic fight. Hearn has said he will put Burns on the road. It would do well in Manchester and earn both guys a decent purse.

What is a decent purse?

£20,000?

£50,000?

If you live in Scotland, that kind of money will keep you in Irn Bru for years...maybe knock off a few years for indulging in "deep fried Mars bar Friday"

I thought my luck was in last time I went to Scotland..

Some chick wanted to give me a Glasgow kiss..

Gerry SA wrote:

catchweight wrote:Burns v Crolla would be a good domestic fight. Hearn has said he will put Burns on the road. It would do well in Manchester and earn both guys a decent purse.

What is a decent purse?

£20,000?

£50,000?

In that ballpark I would think. It wont be the kind of money he was getting as a world champion. But for someone like Burns who probably doesn’t have much else to fall back on, its good money. And if he can win a couple of those kind of fights, who knows? Maybe a belt become vacant or another big payday opportunity emerges.

Are overachievers only overachievers because others underachieved?

What happened to Abril since he humiliated Rios? I thought he was posed to take over, but I guess that's a lesson in not beating the fan favourite.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:What happened to Abril since he humiliated Rios? I thought he was posed to take over, but I guess that's a lesson in not beating the fan favourite.

Post the Rios fight, Abril has been having contractual problems.

He's had one fight in nearly 27 months.

It's a shame his talents are being wasted.

Bit of a hard sell but he looked hard to beat too.