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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:43 pm

Sr,
1).Correct. Wonderful is right. Though in the American order of things behind the NFL, College Football, High School Football, NBA, College B'ball.
2).Not much of a market: 21,000 per home game.
3).But no other nations pay their players a fraction of this sort of bounty. He'll probably end up using PED's, just like his predecessor as highest paid.
Ridiculous money!

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Post by Shotrock Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:54 pm

Kwin -

The gate matters a lot less than the TV revenue. Not so sure about the order of things as you have prioritized them; (not discounting it, perhaps you have data I'm not aware of), but a number of those sports don't overlap full season.

Suspect he's already on PEDs! A brother of a major league GM works for us and, over drinks, mentioned one of the most challenging tasks is getting newly minted multi-millionaires to actually care if they win or lose games.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:58 pm

Just teasing Sr. MLB number one in my book, but what a shame it's sold much of its soul. Hardly watched any of the Play-Offs because couldn't figure out where to find a particular game on the dial. Pathetic.
"win or lose games"? The perils of the franchise system. As so many US Prem owners are finding out.

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Post by super_realist Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:55 am

I see the Norn Irn are getting their tubers in a twist over some subtitles on Countryfile.
Scottish people are regularly subtitled on programmes all over the UK. Get over it.

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Post by incontinentia Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:57 am

Not very nice though super is it? being subtitled when you're already speaking english.

Bill Cosby seems to be getting the 'ol "sex offences from decades ago" routine over in the states, as per the many celebrities in Britain. Not saying he's innocent, but shouldn't there be some sort of time frame where these allegations are brought up, rather than when the accused is very old or dead??
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Post by Roller_Coaster Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:08 am

incontinentia wrote:Not very nice though super is it? being subtitled when you're already speaking english.

For those of you not certain, allow me to subtitle, Inco said: "Not very nice though super is it? being subtitled when you're already speaking english."

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Post by super_realist Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:14 am

incontinentia wrote:Not very nice though super is it? being subtitled when you're already speaking english.

Bill Cosby seems to be getting the 'ol "sex offences from decades ago" routine over in the states, as per the many celebrities in Britain. Not saying he's innocent, but shouldn't there be some sort of time frame where these allegations are brought up, rather than when the accused is very old or dead??

Don't see the problem if the person speaking is so incomprehensible as the man in the clip was. It happens all the time. Rab C Nesbitt used to be subtitled, Africans speaking in English are often subtitled. I don't see people crying about that.

Why are the Irish so sensitive about this? They are always so keen to claim persecution.

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Post by westisbest Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:21 am

Hey super, can you post this again about 10pm, if I cant sleep, I can just read your rubbish again, that will put me to sleep.

Booooorrrrriiinnngg

Cheers Very Happy

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Post by incontinentia Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:43 am

Super, why are you so sensitive about about Irish sensitivity?
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Post by super_realist Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:48 am

incontinentia wrote:Super, why are you so sensitive about about Irish sensitivity?

I just find it amusing how they can't laugh at themselves. They claim they are offended about subtitles on a guy whose accent is as thick and incomprehensible as you can imagine.

No one else feigns this offence to subtitles, but the Norn Irn are disgusted by it.

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Post by beninho Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:32 am

The baseball player is getting appx 300k per week, thats similar to Yaya Toure.

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Post by Roller_Coaster Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:44 am

beninho wrote:The baseball player is getting appx 300k per week, thats similar to Yaya Toure.

Indeed, roughly £300k per week. It's the length of contract that seems staggering to me. I assume he is the main thrower of the ball or the bestest hitter of the rounders?

I wouldn't mind being guaranteed nearly a third of a billion dollars in one contract.

jeez.

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Post by navyblueshorts Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:44 am

beninho wrote:The baseball player is getting appx 300k per week, thats similar to Yaya Toure.
Nice "work" if you can get it!
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Post by Bob_the_Job Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:31 am

super_realist wrote:No one else feigns this offence to subtitles, but the Norn Irn are disgusted by it.

Ummm. I'm Norn Irn and I'm not offended or disgusted, so, you know, you're wrong.

Some Norn Irn maybe, but every country has it's share of whingers.
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Post by incontinentia Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:34 am

Ulster says no to subtitles
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Post by ralphjohn69 Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:38 am

incontinentia wrote:Ulster says no to subtitles

But nobody understands them.... Smile Wink Smile

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Post by GunsGerms Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:42 am

super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Super, why are you so sensitive about about Irish sensitivity?

I just find it amusing how they can't laugh at themselves. They claim they are offended about subtitles on a guy whose accent is as thick and incomprehensible as you can imagine.

No one else feigns this offence to subtitles, but the Norn Irn are disgusted by it.

Rolf Harris, Max Clifford and Jimmy Saville walk into a bar in Dublin. Not yew tree again says the barman.

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Post by raycastleunited Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:21 pm

beninho wrote:The baseball player is getting appx 300k per week, thats similar to Yaya Toure.

Except Yaya Toure is a global superstar. This baseball player is only a locally famous star playing a minor sport with virtually no global appeal.

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Post by incontinentia Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:38 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Super, why are you so sensitive about about Irish sensitivity?

I just find it amusing how they can't laugh at themselves. They claim they are offended about subtitles on a guy whose accent is as thick and incomprehensible as you can imagine.

No one else feigns this offence to subtitles, but the Norn Irn are disgusted by it.

Rolf Harris, Max Clifford and Jimmy Saville walk into a bar in Dublin. Not yew tree again says the barman.
Ha ha! Brilliant GG!! laughing
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Post by beninho Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:59 pm

I am assuming this guys contract is not going to be a set 300k pw, dont they usually front or back load, and some may be performance related. I am not big on Baseball. It does seem to drag...which is strange as i really love Cricket. I do enjoy the NFL though.

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:11 pm

Guaranteed ben.


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Post by Roller_Coaster Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:18 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Super, why are you so sensitive about about Irish sensitivity?

I just find it amusing how they can't laugh at themselves. They claim they are offended about subtitles on a guy whose accent is as thick and incomprehensible as you can imagine.

No one else feigns this offence to subtitles, but the Norn Irn are disgusted by it.

Rolf Harris, Max Clifford and Jimmy Saville walk into a bar in Dublin. Not yew tree again says the barman.

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Post by Shotrock Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:31 pm

Ray - Gears of capitalism in action. I've sat in meetings with major companies as they decide where to invest their marketing budget. (At times, even persuade them my way.) Live sport to a homogeneous and significant market segment still has (obviously) very strong appeal.

You need truly global distribution along with a product with similar global need/appeal to make the global "appeal" argument. Plenty of agents, I'm absolutely certain, try to make that work. Crack that code and you too will be a richer man.

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Post by Shotrock Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:35 pm

Ben - Kwin is right that it's guaranteed. US football or hockey players hardly ever get this deal! There are some clauses to be sure ... but as long as this guy shows up somewhat sober and doesn't break the law (or too many laws!), he'll be in "high cotton" as they say here for the rest of his days. It's really hard to be really good at baseball, but if you are ...


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Post by navyblueshorts Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:50 pm

GunsGerms wrote:
super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Super, why are you so sensitive about about Irish sensitivity?

I just find it amusing how they can't laugh at themselves. They claim they are offended about subtitles on a guy whose accent is as thick and incomprehensible as you can imagine.

No one else feigns this offence to subtitles, but the Norn Irn are disgusted by it.

Rolf Harris, Max Clifford and Jimmy Saville walk into a bar in Dublin. Not yew tree again says the barman.
laughing Laugh Oh, I like that one.
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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:29 pm

Wasn't able to watch the Celtic Park action, but caught a very enjoyable Ireland (4) vs USA (1) game.
Brilliant run by Shane Long towards the end that end with a shot against the inside of the post - that boy has so much speed and power when he wants to use it. Must frustrate managers no end.
Good performance by ROI second XI against a shadow USA team. Entertaining, in a slightly less than competitive way; Robbie Brady and Pilkington looked good, and so did Christie - never seen him before - and McGoldrick.

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Post by Roller_Coaster Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:30 am

I did catch the action at Celtic Park. In my opinion, England were good, Scotland passed quite well but for the first time I can recall the purported gulf in class actually appeared to be evident and the result didn't ever appear to be likely to be anything else. For Scotland, Robertson at left back was a notable high (at least going forward) while Downing (played out of his club position) was a bit of a low for England. Otherwise I thought England outclassed Scotland all over the pitch.

As a side note, I'm not sure whether it was simply due to positioning of microphones or the technicians adjusting the sensitivity/balance in the tech department but the England crowd appeared to be louder on TV pretty much throughout. As a result, and this is a tad purile I admit, but I did have a chuckle at the chants of "Are you Scotland in disguise?" by the English.


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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:36 am

Can someone explain to me what the English see in players like barkley and Henderson?
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Post by Roller_Coaster Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:52 am

Barkley - raw talent, the ability to do something few others can. Unfortunately at the moment that seems to be either an opportunity creating flash of brilliance or an opportunity concedeing moment of stupidity. Enhancing one and eliminating the other is all about experience though.

Henderson - I'm not certain or convinced by him yet.

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Post by westisbest Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:07 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Wasn't able to watch the Celtic Park action, but caught a very enjoyable Ireland (4) vs USA (1) game.
Brilliant run by Shane Long towards the end that end with a shot against the inside of the post - that boy has so much speed and power when he wants to use it. Must frustrate managers no end.
Good performance by ROI second XI against a shadow USA team. Entertaining, in a slightly less than competitive way; Robbie Brady and Pilkington looked good, and so did Christie - never seen him before - and McGoldrick.

Cheers kwini.

Glad you enjoyed the game. Good result.

Am a huge fan of Long(who also seems a top bloke, was when we met him).
Think he should score more than he does, club & country.

Did Guzan play any part?

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Post by beninho Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:15 am

Barkley has potential and talent, i do not think he is at the level to be starting, as he has only been playing for Everton for just over a season. But he could be good. Henderson, was very good for Liverpool last season, not quite peaked this year but deserves to be in the squad. And we have a severe shortage of half decent players especially centre midfielders. I really rate the Ox though.

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:19 am

Not sure why people say Henderson was any good. Can someone offer a reason?


As for barkley, he has a good physique for his age but looks to be a bit of a donkey in terms of passing and keeping the ball. It seems unlikely barkley will ever be as good as the young Arsenal English players.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:55 am

what impresses me about Henderson is how well he reads the game. When he's playing well he's neat and tidy on the ball, decent defender, decent pace, but his real strength is he very very rarely plays the wrong option. Great energy too.

Unfortunately this season he's not playing so well, whether it's because Liverpool are struggling a bit and he's down on confidence, or whether he's suffering a bit from burn-out after a long season (his first really full season as a first choice starter) and the WC just after giving him a shorter time to recover, I don't know. Hopefully he gets back to last year's levels, because IMO if he can he's definitely in England's best XI.

Barkley I'm not totally convinced by right now, but yeah there's potential there.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:20 pm

westi,
I missed the last few minutes but Given went all the way at least thru 85 mins; made some superb saves too. And he had to because Clark and Pearce played as if they'd never met each other before and Meyler went thru spells where it looked as if he'd never complete a pass to an Irish player again.

I too like Henderson, but he looks as if he could do with a break - must be difficult to play in that Liverpool team right now and I wouldn't pick him for England again until he regains his confidence. And: What's the point of picking Downing and then playing him out of (his new) position? Daft.

Mac,
Do you mean the "young Arsenal English players" or the young Saints?

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Post by westisbest Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:52 pm

Good to see Shay get a run out, even at 38.

Clarke isn't great to say the least.

Never confident when he is on the team sheet at Villa.

Would love to see Drennan make the grade, but wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't.

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:25 pm

Kwini

I mean;

Kieran Gibbs
Jack Wilshere
Theo Walcott
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Welbeck
Chambers



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Post by Davie Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:26 pm

... at least 3 of whom came from Southampton ...

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:28 pm

Three young Saints there anyway.
Add Bale and Lallana, plus their present crop, add Terry Paine, Mick Channon and Chivers, and you'd have quite a team.

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:29 pm

But crucially they currently play for Arsenal, so when labeling them it makes sense to refer to them as arsenal players. The key point is that they are all better players than gerrerd 2.0 (Barkley).
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Post by beninho Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:33 pm

Lallana is not young though is he! I do not see anything in Chambers, i can see why Clyne kept him out the saints team last season. Good to see that Arsenal produced two of the 6 mentioned. And even then Kieran Gibbs, is not that good, and Jack Wilshire, is good but his career has not really taken off. Remember when Arsenal played Barcelona and Pep was asked about wilshire, he declared him nothing special and they have many of his type in the B team coming through.

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Post by raycastleunited Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:34 pm

McLaren wrote:But crucially they currently play for Arsenal, so when labeling them it makes sense to refer to them as arsenal players.  

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Post by raycastleunited Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:37 pm

beninho wrote:Lallana is not young though is he! I do not see anything in Chambers, i can see why Clyne kept him out the saints team last season. Good to see that Arsenal produced two of the 6 mentioned. And even then Kieran Gibbs, is not that good, and Jack Wilshire, is good but his career has not really taken off. Remember when Arsenal played Barcelona and Pep was asked about wilshire, he declared him nothing special and they have many of his type in the B team coming through.

I think Lallana is seriously over rated. Pretty footwork, some nice turns and flicks, but generally too light weight and little output. If you're going to be lightweight in midfield you need to have the ability of a Modric and consistently deliver.

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Post by super_realist Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:38 pm

beninho wrote:Lallana is not young though is he! I do not see anything in Chambers, i can see why Clyne kept him out the saints team last season. Good to see that Arsenal produced two of the 6 mentioned. And even then Kieran Gibbs, is not that good, and Jack Wilshire, is good but his career has not really taken off. Remember when Arsenal played Barcelona and Pep was asked about wilshire, he declared him nothing special and they have many of his type in the B team coming through.

Didn't think Clyne looked very good, mind you in a relative sense, all UK teams are a pretty poor standard. No team would be looking at that match last night and be worried about either team.

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:38 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
McLaren wrote:But crucially they currently play for Arsenal, so when labeling them it makes sense to refer to them as arsenal players.  

:roll: 

Don't worry kwini, the rest of us understood you

That was a dig at davie not kwini.
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Post by raycastleunited Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:39 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Three young Saints there anyway.
Add Bale and Lallana, plus their present crop, add Terry Paine, Mick Channon and Chivers, and you'd have quite a team.

Don't forget Luke Shaw and Alan Shearer.

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Post by super_realist Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:43 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
kwinigolfer wrote:Three young Saints there anyway.
Add Bale and Lallana, plus their present crop, add Terry Paine, Mick Channon and Chivers, and you'd have quite a team.

Don't forget Luke Shaw and Alan Shearer.

And Le Tiss, Keegan and Barry "One Cap" Venison

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Post by raycastleunited Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:45 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Lallana is not young though is he! I do not see anything in Chambers, i can see why Clyne kept him out the saints team last season. Good to see that Arsenal produced two of the 6 mentioned. And even then Kieran Gibbs, is not that good, and Jack Wilshire, is good but his career has not really taken off. Remember when Arsenal played Barcelona and Pep was asked about wilshire, he declared him nothing special and they have many of his type in the B team coming through.

Didn't think Clyne looked very good, mind you in a relative sense, all UK teams are a pretty poor standard. No team would be looking at that match last night and be worried about either team.

I tend to agree with you super. The current England team is pretty mediocre; the world cup demonstrated this. Just because the team has won 6 games in a row against minnows like San Marino and Scotland doesn't suddenly make them world beaters.

However I was glad that they out-classed Scotland last night. Not because I dislike Scotland but because it illustrated the gulf in class between England and the other home nations. The current England team are relatively weak for a country that should realistically expect to progress to quarter final stages of major tournaments. They are still miles ahead of the also-rans in world football.

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Post by Roller_Coaster Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:45 pm

McLaren wrote:Kwini

I mean;

Kieran Gibbs
Jack Wilshere
Theo Walcott
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Welbeck
Chambers




Of those I think the only close comparison with Barkley might be Wilshire (ie middle of park,) and whilst Wilshere is perhaps more established/complete at the moment (although only recently) my own personal opinion is that Barkley has more talent. I realise that going on and proving you're a better player in the end is the difficult bit and Barkley has 1 or 2 years to be where Wilshere is now (ie he's younger).

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Yup, add Shaw, Shearer and LeTiss for sure. And Nicky Holmes!
Others made their mark elsewhere first.
Still fancy Ward Prowse to do something - brilliant dead-ball delivery.

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Post by beninho Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:59 pm

The England team is nothing special at the moment, the cupboard is almost bare though. We have some decent youngsters though, and played a relatively young team yesterday. Though I do not think many England fans have high expectations, and are just happy to see England beat who we can.

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