French Open 2015 Day 13 - Let's get ready to mumble....

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....to ourselves in Murray-like fashion.

Novak got my memo about dodgy drop shots.

Good weight of shot from Andy.

Bet if it was Rafa, the ump would have picked a 'big' point for that overrule clanger.

Strange twilight zone where Murray is looking to complete a perfect clay season.

No Rafa talk, he is out, let's keep the thread clean with Live match comments.

So, go ANDY GOOOOOOOOOO, crush the little Monaco Prince.

Nip and tuck so far.

Great hold from Andy!

Novak apparently "dizzy". Ignore it Andy

Don't think HE monitors the match thread these days, but I will try to behave. Are Novak's big ears still fair game? They are, at least, live on court.

Here we go again. Why Novak? Why?

well hes actualy got the doctor on...

Stay focussed Andy. Starting off pretty decent here but must hold serve. Does that and keeps the squeeze on Novak.

Novak is on his last legs! Must be a formality for Andy now.....

temporary21 wrote:well hes actualy got the doctor on...

Well no actually. He has been sent away.

Don't take his not well bait Andy, crush him like there is no tomorrowwwwwww

no emotionssss

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:Novak is on his last legs! Must be a formality for Andy now.....

rope-a-dope....

Captain Ahab adjusting to life after killing Moby Dick.

Gifted!

hahahaha

Oh well there is the break. I won't say anything other than well done Novak it worked.

Andy fooled again,

First blood for Novak. Andy totally suckered and hasn't won a point since the dizzy spell. Only has himself to blame.

why was the doctor even allowed on court before andys service game?

Jahu wrote:Andy fooled again,

What have I missed?

Lol. It's funny because it always works.

Good! This clay season has been full of firsts from Andy. Why not a first win from a set down against Novak?

First set to Novak and I'd suggest the match as well considering how the previous matches have gone between these two.

Match over now... I can get dinner on

come on Andy don't give, beat this fake cheater

Danny_1982 wrote:

Jahu wrote:Andy fooled again,

What have I missed?

Novak got the doctor on, complaining of dizziness. Proceeded to break Andy immediately and serve out the set with ease. Shades of the AO.

Disappointed in both players; one for pulling the act (assuming it is), and one for being suckered in yet again.

Telegraphed that one.

Danny_1982 wrote:

Jahu wrote:Andy fooled again,

What have I missed?

Djoko's usual not feeling well, slow motion, blla blla, Andy took the AOpen bait again

Murras only hope here is if the lunch that Novak had earlier slowly poisons him. Didn't see the Stan match

temporary21 wrote:Match over now... I can get dinner on

SO is this how Djoko carries the mantle of the Number 1, that you were pushing down my throat? Faking injuries every GS?

As much as Andy is to blame for allowing himself to be psychologically played, something really needs to be done about this whole Novak & trainer theme....which even ignoring the AO has become a re-occurring act over the past 12-15 months.

For me it's gamesmanship of the highest order and isn't to different to what many people hate about diving in football. It is gaining an advantage through deception...because lets face it...for a man of Novak's athleticism and fitness (something he is highly renowned for) there isn't a chance he should be feeling any effects just shy of an hour into a match.

Andy getting some success at the net. Needs to stick at it.

owen10ozzy wrote:As much as Andy is to blame for allowing himself to be psychologically played, something really needs to be done about this whole Novak & trainer theme....which even ignoring the AO has become a re-occurring act over the past 12-15 months.

For me it's gamesmanship of the highest order and isn't to different to what many people hate about diving in football. It is gaining an advantage through deception...because lets face it...for a man of Novak's athleticism and fitness (something he is highly renowned for) there isn't a chance he should be feeling any effects just shy of an hour into a match.

Sour grapes.

I do love sour grapes... I wanna go out and buy some now... thanks JM.

In all seriousness though, it runs the risk of his opponent doing it one day to counter, and the match becoming a complete debacle

Andy got quite a few 30-30's on Novak's serve and a couple of 0-30's too, but has not done enough there after. But even so, it looks like Novak can hurt Andy far easier than visa versa.

This looks like a straight setter to me.

Gamesmanship would be lying about touching the net, like Raonic vs Delpo.

He beats Andy because of his tennis not with the trainer coming on.

Worrying signs. Andy chuntering away.

Danny_1982 wrote:Andy got quite a few 30-30's on Novak's serve and a couple of 0-30's too, but has not done enough there after. But even so, it looks like Novak can hurt Andy far easier than visa versa.

This looks like a straight setter to me.

It is no massive surprise to me. It would be nice if it was something other than a straight setter but like you that is what I am thinking.

I agree this wasn't gamesmanship. Murray has no excuse for being beaten by the same ruse twice!

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

owen10ozzy wrote:As much as Andy is to blame for allowing himself to be psychologically played, something really needs to be done about this whole Novak & trainer theme....which even ignoring the AO has become a re-occurring act over the past 12-15 months.

For me it's gamesmanship of the highest order and isn't to different to what many people hate about diving in football. It is gaining an advantage through deception...because lets face it...for a man of Novak's athleticism and fitness (something he is highly renowned for) there isn't a chance he should be feeling any effects just shy of an hour into a match.

Sour grapes.

Not at all; In fact I am a big fan of Novak. If you want to show a kid what hard work, focus an determination can achieve then look no further than him. In an era which was being dominated by two men, Novak realised just how much extra work he would have to put in...he did it and is more than reaping his rewards. However that doesn't excuse him from criticism when it is just, which in my opinion it is with regards to these incidences. The simple fact is that it upsets the rhythm and any momentum of the other player...it's no different to Nadal taking an age to serve (which ive seen plenty criticise him for) or indeed Murray wiping the frow too often...the difference in Novaks case is the delays are usually much longer thus have a larger affect.

I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

kingraf wrote:I agree this wasn't gamesmanship. Murray has no excuse for being beaten by the same ruse twice!

Three times but whose counting. I really would like to believe that - once no problem, twice you start getting suspicious but three times and its nailed on. The sad thing is there is no need to resort to it. Of course what a mug Andy is for keeping falling for it and he can only blame himself. Key to why I think it is clearly gamesmanship is the times of the match he wheels it out - when in trouble and under pressure.

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

No I am not using it as an excuse. Players are in control of themselves out there and you react accordingly to it. However, that does not make what Novak does any more palatible. He is good enough to win matches (as he has shown here) without resorting to such tactics.

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

Nobody's blaming it as the sole reason for a defeat, Novak is clearly just better than Andy today. But it doesn't exempt the act from criticism.

Same with kingraf's bizarre assertion that it isn't gamesmanship because he's done it before. So? It's still affecting the opponent and seems to be a deliberate attempt to throw him off his game. I want Novak to win today but it's a shame that this has happened.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

No I am not using it as an excuse. Players are in control of themselves out there and you react accordingly to it. However, that does not make what Novak does any more palatible. He is good enough to win matches (as he has shown here) without resorting to such tactics.

SEETHING.

Andy is continually bigged up as the big 4. There isn't a big 4 and there never was. There was a big 3. Now it's just a big 1. Murray isn't in Djokovic's league and you need to realize that to avoid further disappointment.

Come on Andy for the sake of Tennis future, save us all.