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Post by JuliusHMarx Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:29 pm

First topic message reminder :

....to ourselves in Murray-like fashion.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:42 am

Novak got my memo about dodgy drop shots.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:44 am

Good weight of shot from Andy.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:47 am

Bet if it was Rafa, the ump would have picked a 'big' point for that overrule clanger.

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Post by kingraf Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:51 am

Strange twilight zone where Murray is looking to complete a perfect clay season.
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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:51 am

No Rafa talk, he is out, let's keep the thread clean with Live match comments.

So, go ANDY GOOOOOOOOOO, crush the little Monaco Prince.
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:52 am

Nip and tuck so far.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:58 am

Great hold from Andy!

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Post by temporary21 Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:59 am

Novak apparently "dizzy". Ignore it Andy

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:00 am

Don't think HE monitors the match thread these days, but I will try to behave. Are Novak's big ears still fair game? They are, at least, live on court.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:00 am

Here we go again. Why Novak? Why?
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Post by temporary21 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:01 am

well hes actualy got the doctor on...

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:02 am

Stay focussed Andy. Starting off pretty decent here but must hold serve. Does that and keeps the squeeze on Novak.
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:02 am

Novak is on his last legs! Must be a formality for Andy now.....

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:03 am

temporary21 wrote:well hes actualy got the doctor on...

Well no actually. He has been sent away.
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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:03 am

Don't take his not well bait Andy, crush him like there is no tomorrowwwwwww

no emotionssss
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Post by barrystar Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:04 am

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:Novak is on his last legs! Must be a formality for Andy now.....

rope-a-dope....
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Post by kingraf Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:05 am

Captain Ahab adjusting to life after killing Moby Dick.
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Post by Danny_1982 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:06 am

Gifted! mad

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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:06 am

hahahaha
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:06 am

Oh well there is the break. I won't say anything other than well done Novak it worked.
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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:06 am

Andy fooled again,
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:07 am

First blood for Novak. Andy totally suckered and hasn't won a point since the dizzy spell. Only has himself to blame.

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Post by temporary21 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:08 am

why was the doctor even allowed on court before andys service game?

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Post by Danny_1982 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:08 am

Jahu wrote:Andy fooled again,

What have I missed?

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Post by kingraf Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:08 am

Lol. It's funny because it always works.
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:10 am

Good! This clay season has been full of firsts from Andy. Why not a first win from a set down against Novak?

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:11 am

First set to Novak and I'd suggest the match as well considering how the previous matches have gone between these two.
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Post by temporary21 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:12 am

Match over now... I can get dinner on

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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:17 am

come on Andy don't give, beat this fake cheater boxing
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Post by Silver Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:17 am

Danny_1982 wrote:
Jahu wrote:Andy fooled again,

What have I missed?

Novak got the doctor on, complaining of dizziness. Proceeded to break Andy immediately and serve out the set with ease. Shades of the AO.

Disappointed in both players; one for pulling the act (assuming it is), and one for being suckered in yet again.


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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:17 am

Telegraphed that one.

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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:18 am

Danny_1982 wrote:
Jahu wrote:Andy fooled again,

What have I missed?

Djoko's usual not feeling well, slow motion, blla blla, Andy took the AOpen bait again
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:18 am

Murras only hope here is if the lunch that Novak had earlier slowly poisons him. Didn't see the Stan match chin
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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:19 am

temporary21 wrote:Match over now... I can get dinner on

SO is this how Djoko carries the mantle of the Number 1, that you were pushing down my throat? Faking injuries every GS? laughing





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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:23 am

As much as Andy is to blame for allowing himself to be psychologically played, something really needs to be done about this whole Novak & trainer theme....which even ignoring the AO has become a re-occurring act over the past 12-15 months.

For me it's gamesmanship of the highest order and isn't to different to what many people hate about diving in football. It is gaining an advantage through deception...because lets face it...for a man of Novak's athleticism and fitness (something he is highly renowned for) there isn't a chance he should be feeling any effects just shy of an hour into a match.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:26 am

Andy getting some success at the net. Needs to stick at it.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:26 am

owen10ozzy wrote:As much as Andy is to blame for allowing himself to be psychologically played, something really needs to be done about this whole Novak & trainer theme....which even ignoring the AO has become a re-occurring act over the past 12-15 months.

For me it's gamesmanship of the highest order and isn't to different to what many people hate about diving in football. It is gaining an advantage through deception...because lets face it...for a man of Novak's athleticism and fitness (something he is highly renowned for) there isn't a chance he should be feeling any effects just shy of an hour into a match.
Sour grapes.
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Post by temporary21 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:29 am

I do love sour grapes... I wanna go out and buy some now... thanks JM.

In all seriousness though, it runs the risk of his opponent doing it one day to counter, and the match becoming a complete debacle

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Post by Danny_1982 Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:31 am

Andy got quite a few 30-30's on Novak's serve and a couple of 0-30's too, but has not done enough there after. But even so, it looks like Novak can hurt Andy far easier than visa versa.

This looks like a straight setter to me.

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:33 am

Gamesmanship would be lying about touching the net, like Raonic vs Delpo.

He beats Andy because of his tennis not with the trainer coming on.
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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:33 am

Worrying signs. Andy chuntering away.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:35 am

Danny_1982 wrote:Andy got quite a few 30-30's on Novak's serve and a couple of 0-30's too, but has not done enough there after. But even so, it looks like Novak can hurt Andy far easier than visa versa.

This looks like a straight setter to me.

It is no massive surprise to me. It would be nice if it was something other than a straight setter but like you that is what I am thinking.
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Post by kingraf Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:36 am

I agree this wasn't gamesmanship. Murray has no excuse for being beaten by the same ruse twice!
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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:37 am

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
owen10ozzy wrote:As much as Andy is to blame for allowing himself to be psychologically played, something really needs to be done about this whole Novak & trainer theme....which even ignoring the AO has become a re-occurring act over the past 12-15 months.

For me it's gamesmanship of the highest order and isn't to different to what many people hate about diving in football. It is gaining an advantage through deception...because lets face it...for a man of Novak's athleticism and fitness (something he is highly renowned for) there isn't a chance he should be feeling any effects just shy of an hour into a match.
Sour grapes.

Not at all; In fact I am a big fan of Novak. If you want to show a kid what hard work, focus an determination can achieve then look no further than him. In an era which was being dominated by two men, Novak realised just how much extra work he would have to put in...he did it and is more than reaping his rewards. However that doesn't excuse him from criticism when it is just, which in my opinion it is with regards to these incidences. The simple fact is that it upsets the rhythm and any momentum of the other player...it's no different to Nadal taking an age to serve (which ive seen plenty criticise him for) or indeed Murray wiping the frow too often...the difference in Novaks case is the delays are usually much longer thus have a larger affect.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:39 am

I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:40 am

kingraf wrote:I agree this wasn't gamesmanship. Murray has no excuse for being beaten by the same ruse twice!

Three times but whose counting. I really would like to believe that - once no problem, twice you start getting suspicious but three times and its nailed on. The sad thing is there is no need to resort to it. Of course what a mug Andy is for keeping falling for it and he can only blame himself. Key to why I think it is clearly gamesmanship is the times of the match he wheels it out - when in trouble and under pressure.
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:42 am

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

No I am not using it as an excuse. Players are in control of themselves out there and you react accordingly to it. However, that does not make what Novak does any more palatible. He is good enough to win matches (as he has shown here) without resorting to such tactics.
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Post by Silver Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:46 am

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

Nobody's blaming it as the sole reason for a defeat, Novak is clearly just better than Andy today. But it doesn't exempt the act from criticism.

Same with kingraf's bizarre assertion that it isn't gamesmanship because he's done it before. So? It's still affecting the opponent and seems to be a deliberate attempt to throw him off his game. I want Novak to win today but it's a shame that this has happened.

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Post by JohnBarrymore Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:50 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Aut0Gr4ph wrote:I'm not buying this injury faking stuff as even close to an excuse. If Andy wants to get this H2H competitive again, he can't be affected every time Novak gets squiffy for a few points.

No I am not using it as an excuse. Players are in control of themselves out there and you react accordingly to it. However, that does not make what Novak does any more palatible. He is good enough to win matches (as he has shown here) without resorting to such tactics.

SEETHING.

Andy is continually bigged up as the big 4. There isn't a big 4 and there never was. There was a big 3. Now it's just a big 1. Murray isn't in Djokovic's league and you need to realize that to avoid further disappointment.

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Post by Jahu Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:51 am

Come on Andy for the sake of Tennis future, save us all.
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