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Post by sirbenson Wed 24 Jun 2015, 9:39 pm

First topic message reminder :

I thought with no place to discuss European Tour events, and with important upcoming event. I felt it would be a good idea to set up a thread to I am going to try and keep this updated every week with selected tee times.


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Post by sirbenson Thu 17 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

Good research Inco!


Manassero is ranked 447, I know he has been poor for a while now but I didn't realise how far he had fallen.

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Post by kwinigolfer Fri 18 Sep 2015, 2:39 pm

Matteo just about to fall further, almost certain to miss another cut. What a shame that he's not training on.

Colsaerts unable to repeat Thursday's fireworks so far - Thursday p.m. / Friday a.m. with a big advantage, apparently.

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Post by kwinigolfer Fri 18 Sep 2015, 7:04 pm

Approx 30 x Top 100 golfers committed for Woburn. Plus Chesters & Dunne.

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 20 Sep 2015, 5:20 pm

An afternoon of could've, would've should've from Kaymeer, and overall not a great afternoon for German golfers.

But Karlberg has played well all round the world - is he the next off the Swedish production line?

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Post by pedro Sun 20 Sep 2015, 5:36 pm

Anyone picking Karlberg in the fantasy game...?

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Post by sirbenson Mon 21 Sep 2015, 4:42 pm

Booked flights and tickets for the British Masters next month for the Friday and Saturday. Bring it on!!!

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon 21 Sep 2015, 4:55 pm

Good field, sirb,

http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/season=2015/tournamentid=2015078/teetimes/index.html#s6ugZmWVxYzoEHxm.97

Should be a great event.

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Post by sirbenson Tue 22 Sep 2015, 2:37 pm

Yep, it is a decent field and it's a short trip for me so it's well worth it.

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Post by sirbenson Tue 22 Sep 2015, 2:39 pm

Good to see Mahan and Hoffmann playing this week!

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Post by sirbenson Fri 25 Sep 2015, 4:48 pm

Who would you guys see as good outside chances to make the Ryder Cup.

I would go for Wattel, Levy and as a huge outsider Max Kieffer!

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 27 Sep 2015, 12:21 pm

Cream rising to the top in Wetlanta, but fell to the bottom in Germany.
Not sure that any European non-Ryder Cup player not called Lowry or Wiesberger has enjoyed a compelling year.
Stal stalled, Kieffer has done well, very consistent but so damn slow and not in contention enough. Would like to add Kjeldsen but think he'd struggle - great year though.

I like Levy but he's been in lousy form.

Only other new team member that I can see, and then only if he gets fit, is Alex Noren, plus any of Fleetwood, Hatton, Pepperell and/or Sullivan that goes on a hot streak.

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Post by sirbenson Sun 27 Sep 2015, 2:20 pm

Totally agree regarding Noren! Yep, Levy has been in lousy form lately quite surprising. His record in the bigger european tour events has been quite poor and I am not even including the majors or WGC'S in this!

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 27 Sep 2015, 4:05 pm

Funny old drop on the 18th but another good win for Thongchai. Interesting here as his Ryder Cup (EDIT: That's not quite right, Presidents Cup is more like it. Thanks to lorus) VC Tony Johnstone has been doing our TV commentary.

Good for Pelle Edberg too; what a different feller he looks from the promising young dude from eight years ago. Remember him playing well in Harrington's Birkdale win wearing a head-version of a snood to keep warm!


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Post by lorus59 Sun 27 Sep 2015, 4:47 pm

I think you mean President's cup.

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 27 Sep 2015, 4:58 pm

I think you're right lorus Doh

Well done to your mate Thongchai . . . . .

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Post by pedro Sun 27 Sep 2015, 5:08 pm

At least Thongchai isn't jaided...

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Post by pyormin Mon 28 Sep 2015, 10:00 am

Very happy for Thongchai Very Happy

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 28 Sep 2015, 1:30 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
Good for Pelle Edberg too; what a different feller he looks from the promising young dude from eight years ago. Remember him playing well in Harrington's Birkdale win wearing a head-version of a snood to keep warm!

Absolutely Kwini. Remember that too, although was it Carnoustie in 2007? It was only 8 years ago but he looks a good 15 years older now. I guess that's the stress of life as a journeyman pro battling to keep your card.

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 28 Sep 2015, 1:40 pm

Although I thought Jaidee was very smart the way he played 18, it's not right that he should be able to use the hospitality suite as a bail out. Very poor planning from the organisers, effectively constructing a backboard along the fairway that was very much in play.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon 28 Sep 2015, 2:06 pm

ray, Couldn't remember which was first! Definitely 2007 though.

Did Thongchai actually hit the hospitality suite? A bogus drop anyway.
Regardless, completely agree with you. What is it with the way courses are set up in Germany? Intrusive grandstands last week too, at the Solheim Cup, but the PGA Tour has a couple of dodgy ones too that have come into play with leaders deliberately hitting long (and safe) to get a drop and take hazards out of play.

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 28 Sep 2015, 4:09 pm

Yes, Thongchai clattered his approach into the hospitality suite. Unlike a grandstand, it was a two storey wall of glass down the left side of the fairway, so the ball was guaranteed to rebound into the fairway or fringe. He didn't need a drop (edit: although he had one - not sure what it was for).

From the camera angle behind his second shot, you could clearly see he was deliberately aiming at the hospitality, and it looked like he kept the ball flight low to ensure he struck it. He took the water on the right side out of play, and kept himself below the hole with a relatively straight forward up and down. Smart play and I'm not criticising him, but poor from the organisers.

In contrast, Storm hit his approach to 18 long into the grandstand but he had a tough up and down from the drop zone which was in the rough.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon 28 Sep 2015, 4:25 pm

ray,
Yup, but he DID take a drop due to his ball having settled in an area deemed, but not marked, ground under repair; reportedly in a seam of newly laid turf. To the consternation of our GC commentators.


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Post by sirbenson Tue 29 Sep 2015, 10:06 pm

Tee-Times for the Dunhill are out! Some good tee-times!

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Post by sirbenson Wed 30 Sep 2015, 11:28 am

Interesting to see Sky Sports will start their coverage of the Open next year and not in 2017!

BBC will only have highlights from now on.


Sky's coverage will be incredible I am sure!

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Post by super_realist Thu 01 Oct 2015, 8:38 am

Weather is absolute perfection today up here. Every chance you'll see a 59 at KB or TOC

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Post by GPB Thu 01 Oct 2015, 4:34 pm

super_realist wrote:Weather is absolute perfection today up here. Every chance you'll see a 59 at KB or TOC

Nice call.

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu 01 Oct 2015, 4:52 pm

E.T. website reckons scoring averages today are:

TOC: 71.8
KB: 70.0
Carn: 72.5
Weather: TEN!

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Post by JAS Thu 01 Oct 2015, 7:48 pm

Absolute train wreck of a finish from Howeller, last time I looked he was 4 under through 12 and then he drops 7 shots in the last 5 holes...wtf?? At TOC as well, hope he's not injured again.

Cracking score at KB from Jimmy Mullen (the gangly kid from RND that had such a good Walker Cup).

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Post by Hibbz Fri 02 Oct 2015, 6:36 pm

Decent round today from Nick Douherty.

I always liked him as a player as he seemed to genuinely enjoy playing and I've enjoyed his presenting and commentating on Sky but at 33 is it still possible he could get back into playing for a living?

Exemptions are practically non existent (I'm guessing he gets into this as a past winner) and he's done very little on his rare Europro/Challenge tour appearances but would be a great story if he could make his way back from golf oblivion.

His wife is a significantly better presenter than the current "token?" lady as well so would be nice to see her again too.

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Post by kwinigolfer Sat 03 Oct 2015, 4:13 pm

Nick Dougherty makes the cut! Good for him; always wondered if his mother's sudden death might have had something to do with his decline.

Maxi Kieffer's run of made cuts screeches to a halt.

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Post by pedro Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:12 pm

And Thunderbear? I fear a choke.

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Post by pedro Sun 04 Oct 2015, 12:39 pm

pedro wrote:And Thunderbear? I fear a choke.
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Post by sirbenson Sun 04 Oct 2015, 3:33 pm

Come on Brooks!! Get the title!

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Post by pedro Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:41 pm

thumbsup
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pedro wrote:And Thunderbear? I fear a choke.
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Post by kwinigolfer Sun 04 Oct 2015, 6:50 pm

Didn't watch any of that, but what a bizarre leaderboard.
Good for Thorbjorn, and good for Nicky Dougherty - both buying dinner tonight.

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Post by sirbenson Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:00 pm

Great job Thorbjorn!

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Post by Davie Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:06 pm

Could there possibly be a more gay nickname than thunderbear? Make Mac and his "simba" seem quite tame really

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Post by pedro Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:19 pm

Davie wrote:Could there possibly be a more gay nickname than thunderbear? Make Mac and his "simba" seem quite tame really
It's pretty close to his real name so I guess he's good with it.

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Post by kouchi Mon 05 Oct 2015, 1:05 pm

pedro wrote:
Davie wrote:Could there possibly be a more gay nickname than thunderbear? Make Mac and his "simba" seem quite tame really
It's pretty close to his real name so I guess he's good with it.
Quite exactly his real name. In translation

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Post by Davie Mon 05 Oct 2015, 1:16 pm

kouchi wrote:
pedro wrote:
Davie wrote:Could there possibly be a more gay translation of his real name than thunderbear? Make Mac and his "simba" seem quite tame really
It's pretty close to his real name so I guess he's good with it.
Quite exactly his real name. In translation

There I've fixed it for you

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Post by super_realist Mon 05 Oct 2015, 2:10 pm

So it's Cliff Thunderbear the famous Snooker player then?

So stupid sounding, it could almost be an American forename.

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Post by pedro Mon 05 Oct 2015, 7:52 pm

Thor (the god) and Bjørn (bear) are common names in Scandinavia, so is Thorbjørn. Thor is not an exact translation of thunder, neither in Danish , Swedish or Norwegian  (but maybe in old norse), so Thorbjørn is not as stupid as it sounds. I'm sure we can find a lot of common names with a ridicolous meaning in old norse/English/latin/greek. Let's just hope Olesen doesn't start calling his driver 'Mjölnir'...

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Post by Davie Mon 05 Oct 2015, 8:05 pm

Maybe he should be known as god-of-thunder-member-of-ABBA

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Post by McLaren Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:17 am

According to the secret pro it has been five weeks since any payment has been made to players, a process that would normally take a few day, or at most a week. Is being behind on payments to players a first sign that the European tour is heading for serious financial trouble?
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Post by pedro Tue 06 Oct 2015, 12:59 pm

Maybe they got a new IT system?

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Post by Davie Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:01 pm

I thought it was only payment from the Russian event that was delayed?

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Post by McLaren Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:47 pm

Davie

Possibly, I am not sure of the full story.
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Post by Davie Tue 06 Oct 2015, 4:03 pm

Makes your question rather futile then

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Post by GPB Tue 06 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

Secret Tour Pro does not have much credibility.  He is the one that insisted that Alison Lee had been warned a couple time by Pettersen to not pick up putts in the Solheim Cup.

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Post by GPB Tue 06 Oct 2015, 6:54 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rory-mcilroy/11912062/Rory-McIlroy-I-thought-about-quitting-European-Tour.html

“Paul has a young family, his life is in America, in Arizona, and I would have no problem at all with whatever decision he makes,” McIlroy said, “It would obviously make our Ryder Cup weaker, especially when he’s in this sort of form. But if Paul says the Ryder Cup doesn't mean as much to him as his family, then more clout to him. It’s a dilemma a lot of the guys are dealing with. A few years down the line, if I had a family in the States, I’d have to strongly consider it, too. To be honest, there have been times when I have contemplated not playing on the European Tour, already.”


McIlroy has remained committed but Casey has forecast “all hell breaking loose” if he ever did hand in his card. There simply could not be a Ryder Cup without him and in that regard he is one the main power-brokers in this burgeoning struggle. “I do know that if I said, ‘look I don’t want to play the European Tour, or at least not be a member any more’, then the Ryder Cup rules would change,” McIlroy said. “I understand that and it might help out a few of the other guys over there. But I don’t want to put the European Tour in that sort of position, because I owe a great deal to them. They gave me playing opportunities at the start of my career and I wouldn't be where I am without them.”

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