Julio Cesar Chavez jr - Does he deserve to be public enemy number 1 ???

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:43 pm

He does like a meal but looking at his opposition at 160 why was/is he spewed on ???..Hate to keep mentioning GGG but let us look at Jr's opposition.....

Fought the best middleweight in the world Sergio Martinez.......Nearly stopped him late....at 160 ...

Knocked out Andy Lee who is a current middleweight champion.....at 160 ...

Beat Rubio who went on to become another soft defence for our Russian friend....at 160..(Don't remember anyone moaning about that!!)

If it's legal to bulk up after the weigh in to gain an advantage..............We'd all be doing it....Not Jr's problem..

Opposition wise at middle he fought better fighters than Rusky has in 5 years....

So he isn't as good as his Dad and likes a party. No harm in that.

Don't see why he's picked on as much as he is !!!

by TopHat24/7 Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:51 pm

You think if GGG had Jr's name and backing (and, say, an uncle that's head of a commissioning body) he'd be struggling as much for the big fights......??

Love how you can contradict yourself in the space of one sentence though. Credit Jr for beating Rubio, but apparently he's just a soft defence for GGG.

As for bulking up, he's continually moved weight goal posts in his favour. Not just a simple case of rehydrating.

Gave on his stool as a blowing fatty against Fonfara for his other loss.

Who else has he beaten again....? Lee is the best name on his record FFS!!

He's a low-talent pathetic waste of space that's earned a packet of ca$h thanks to his dad's name.

That is why nobody likes him.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:58 pm

Wow calm down !!.

Martinez is the best name on his record......

He fought the number 1 middle....

Like I said he isn't as good as his Dad.

He gets pilloried more than other boxers and yet he has fought quality fighters unlike some..

Duran used to binge between fights....and was unprofessional. He however was a lot more talented....

I think the abuse he gets is over the top and that's how I feel..

by TopHat24/7 Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:44 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Wow calm down !!.

Martinez is the best name on his record......

He fought the number 1 middle....

Like I said he isn't as good as his Dad.

He gets pilloried more than other boxers and yet he has fought quality fighters unlike some..

Duran used to binge between fights....and was unprofessional. He however was a lot more talented....

I think the abuse he gets is over the top and that's how I feel..

You can't count a loss!

Otherwise Darnell Boone would be a Top 10 MW/SMW!!

His win column is dire and not reflective of either the titles he's held or the money he's earned.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:48 pm

What are you on about

I'm talking about a guy who gets hammered for his opposition and his lifestyle...

He fought Martinez, Lee and a guy who went on to become a stiff for GGG....(a fight that wasn't peed on surprisingly!!)

I'm not making the case he's a top fighter..

Geez !!!

by wheelchair1991 Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:11 pm

Truss Chavez deserves all the criticism he gets and more

by Hands Of Stone Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:33 pm

Yes he deserves everything

Arranges to a weight limit of 168 to fight a middleweight in Vera then changes it to 169, to 171 to 173 because he could and deserved to lose that fight in the eyes of many.

Arranges a 168 weight limit to fight a middleweight in Reyes then finally falls on a 170lbs catchweight and comes in over.

Ducked Martinez for years untill martinez looked old against Macklin & barker and excluding the last 90 seconds was a disgrace as he barely tried to win.

Loses handily to Fonfara then says he'd smash his head in at 168 and tries to get fonfara to fight him there despite him obviously being too big for it.

He gets huge between fight and shows his trainers no respect, he's a spoilt brat and loses to any NATURAL supermiddleweight in the top 20

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:55 pm

I think that's a bit of a one eyed opinion Stoney..

He fought Martinez after the Macklin fight....So what excuse then for GGG v Macklin or Rubio.

Plus the Vera stuff is your spin...

by Hands Of Stone Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:12 pm

Yea and he looked poor after macklin, a fighter who GGG stopped in 3 in his next fight, it was only up to that struggle that he took the fight

The vera drama was a disgrace, and thats a fact

by hazharrison Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:55 pm

Hey guys he's right. We should all hate that bas tard Golovkin for a) not being American b) being willing to fight any middleweight on the planet c) scoring knockout after knockout in electrifying displays.

by Derbymanc Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:03 pm

Why should he get respect, We've all slated other boxers (notably Mr Fielding) for coming in overweight etc so why should someone who is supposed to be at/near the top of the ladder get away with it.

Should show a bit of respect for his opponent and not be able to move the goalposts just cause of the family he comes from.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:10 pm

Who wrote this...

(10/1) "Murray is a great win for GGG"....."Mayweather - Manny isn't worth watching because Manny is 3/1"!!

I'm saying he doesn't deserve to be the leper he is..Derby.

At least he fought sone decent 160 pounders..

by Steffan Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He does like a meal but looking at his opposition at 160 why was/is he spewed on ???

Julio Cesar Chavez jr - Does he deserve to be public enemy number 1 ??? Giphy

by Hammersmith harrier Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:18 pm

The Chavez Jnr timeline of why we shouldn't respect him.

1. He fails a drugs test and has a victory changed to a No Contest, no significant ban.
2. Fights for the vacant WBC title after his godfather strips Martinez for no apparent reason
3. Only wins the aforementioned fight because of dodgy judging, everyone else seems him comprehensively beaten, Zbik has the misfortune of not having a legendary Mexican father.
4. Avoids Martinez like the plague
5. Is getting outboxed yet again by Andy Lee before his abnormal size at Middleweight starts to tell, rumours of weight making difficulty made worse by the commission 'forgetting' to test him before or after the fight.
6. Finally fights Martinez but aside from the final 60 seconds when his opponents knee gives out puts in a horrendous and lethargic performance.
7. Consequently takes fights against smaller men and the ignores the contracted weight, gets yet another gift in the first Vera fight.
8. Shown to be a flat track bully by Fonfara as he's beaten from pillar to post before quitting on his stool, blames everything and everyone apart from himself.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:19 pm

Well we've had d4 now we got d2..Steff

by Derbymanc Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:22 pm

Dunno Truss but it wasn't me.

HH pretty much sums up why most fans don't like Chavez that much.

For myself, see the hardwork some lads put into the sport and to see someone being handed everything on a plate really irks. If he put effort into making weight etc then I could look past the family connection (to an extent)

by Steffan Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:24 pm

The family connection thing doesn't really bother me. People can't help who their father is to be fair

Has he exploited it...probably...would plenty of other fighters do them same while trying to compete in a sport where publicity is essential to get on...definitely

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:26 pm

Fought Martinez after he thrashed Macklin..

Manny is still popular...Has he sued Paulie yet ???

Lot's of fighters get stripped unjustly....Not his fault. Gave him a chance to win it back...

His defining fights are against fellow 160 pounders..

Not saying he's flawed but all the crap he gets is over the top..

You didn't write it derby..

by Hammersmith harrier Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:31 pm

A little bit different when your godfather is the one taking the title away just so you can win it unjustly against a supposed easy touch.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:33 pm

It is If you want it to be...

Plenty of fighters have been screwed by the alphabets...

Chavez got a chance and took it...Can't blame him.

by Derbymanc Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:34 pm

No probs Truss.

I'm not a big fan of Manny either since the injury debacle Wink

Of course some boxers would take advantage of the family connection but you'd hope that they'd also work for and appreciate the breaks they're getting. Chavez has been forced into a position and can't even be arsed to train properly. Would rather his spot was taken by someone who cared.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:38 pm

Most of the heavyweight champions of the 80's were slobs....Look at Witherspoon...

Never took this much crap..

by Derbymanc Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:44 pm

So are you now saying Fielding shouldn't have been given crap for coming in overweight too Wink

Seriously though, the fat slob heavyweights get a lot of stick especially these days. You can't keep judging people on different era's otherwise nothing would ever change.

by hazharrison Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:49 pm

Chavez is a schmuck. Without day before weigh ins he'd never have been known.

He's repeatedly exploited the fact he's a cash cow by coming in overweight in full knowledge his opponent can't afford to walk away. He either throws them a few crumbs or cracks on regardless. This is tantamount to cheating. Mayweather pulled the same stroke against Marquez; Salido against Lomachenko; Castillo against Corrales. It's dangerous.

He's also skipped drug tests, worked with notorious "conditioners" (which probably explains the increase in bulk and power) and been privy to nepotism as explained higher up the thread.

He deserves all the flak he gets.

by hazharrison Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:50 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Most of the heavyweight champions of the 80's were slobs....Look at Witherspoon...

Never took this much crap..

They didn't fail to make weight - thereby endangering the health of their opponent.

by catchweight Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:53 pm

Hes as close as you can get to epitimosing whats broken with boxing.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:56 pm

I think If his name wasn't Julio cessr chavez he'd probably be just a colorful character..

Still at least he's fought some good names at middle...

Barker seems to be a hero on here and yet his collapse against Sturm could be viewed by cynics as taking the money and running..

Chavez beat Lee, beat Romeo before GGG and nearly dethroned Sergio..

Pick on Barker..He's a fellow champ.

by hazharrison Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:59 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think If his name wasn't Julio cessr chavez he'd probably be just a colorful character..

Still at least he's fought some good names at middle...

Barker seems to be a hero on here and yet his collapse against Sturm could be viewed by cynics as taking the money and running..

Chavez beat Lee, beat Romeo before GGG and nearly dethroned Sergio..

Pick on Barker..He's a fellow champ.

Why pick on Barker? His body gave out against Sturm - what could he do?

Barker's win over Geale was heroic - he made the most of his talent to win a world title.

Chavez has pis s far ted his talent away (not that he had a lot).

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:02 pm

Happy for posters to disagree with me....

Just think the kid is over abused.

by jimdig Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:20 pm

For a kid brought up with the silver spoon treatment, the biggest suprise to me is how much of his fathers steel has been passed down to him. He's a tough kid, he can take a shellacking and keeps coming forward. It seems a contradictory trait in light of how unprofessional he is in regard to training / making weight.

by kingraf Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:59 am

Yep, the kid is has a iron will in the ring. If only he had an iron will in training.

by ONETWOFOREVER Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:32 am

People point out that his father's appeal and influence has helped Chavez Jnr in his career and that is true but it is also true that most son's of a famous father feel burdened by the weight of expectation that comes with being the son of a legend.

I am sure Chavez jnr would of liked to go out and make his own name for himself without the constant comparisons and influence. On the one hand he can't ignore his father's knowledge and guidance but I am sure the over baring shadow of Julio has had a negative effect on jnr.

by Scottrf Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:51 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Barker seems to be a hero on here and yet his collapse against Sturm could be viewed by cynics as taking the money and running..

And people say you don't watch fights!!

by TopHat24/7 Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:08 am

Derbymanc wrote:Why should he get respect, We've all slated other boxers (notably Mr Fielding) for coming in overweight etc so why should someone who is supposed to be at/near the top of the ladder get away with it.

It's classic Truss hypocrisy.......

by milkyboy Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:14 am

People don't like seeing others get a free ride... and essentially that's what junior got because of his name. He gave a good impression of someone taking the mick with it too.

As for Barker. Because he's a nice guy, he got a bit of a free ride over the sturm fight I thought. The way that panned out it looked a lot like a guy who'd injured himself in training again, knew it was the end of the road, but wanted to bank the million before retiring... martinez cotto? manny floyd? I can entirely understand why someone in his position would do that, but if it is what happened (i.e as blatant as that), it's conning the fans, people who've bet on the fight etc.

Yes, he could have picked up the injury but hoped it would be alright on the night... he'd fought most of his career carrying injuries and got away with it. But the guy admitted he was crocked going into the fight... not great.

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