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Official Ramirez v Ovil for IBF Title 02/10/2015

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 22 Sep 2015, 9:32 am

First topic message reminder :

The IBF have stripped Yoan Pablo Hernandez of his title and made Victor Ramirez full champ.

His first defense will be against 'The Upsetter' Ovil McKenzie. Who has never tasted defeat at cruiser.

Could he live up to his moniker? I'll hold my hands up and say I havent seen Ramirez fight so am not sure what sort of chance he has?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR OVIL

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Post by Rowley Tue 22 Sep 2015, 3:28 pm

I don't forget about anything Truss, but as I mentioned I am yet to see any compelling evidence to suggest or prove day before weigh ins have reduced serious injuries in the sport. If such evidence existed I'd favour weigh ins on the day before.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 22 Sep 2015, 3:34 pm

In my opinion If you are in a semi dehydrated state then your body isn't going to be in the best condition to ward off injury...

There are lots of things we can't prove or disprove to an nth degree.

Bit like Parkinson's and Boxing ..

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 22 Sep 2015, 4:00 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pedro147 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think the FBI should investigate the WBC and WBA....like they investigated FIFA...

Eventually ban them from plying their trade in the USA and then we can have the American based WBO and IBF...

Yep, divisions of Lamont Peterson's is what we need.

What a strange post

Not really.

Maybe your blind jingoism prevented you from reading what Pedro was saying.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 22 Sep 2015, 4:00 pm

Yep...

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri 02 Oct 2015, 7:46 am

Official Ramirez v Ovil for IBF Title 02/10/2015 - Page 2 3933776953 Weigh In

Ovil 191 - Ramirez 199.5

http://www.boxingscene.com/photos-victor-ramirez-ovill-mckenzie-ready-war--96449

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Post by Derbymanc Fri 02 Oct 2015, 8:51 am

Bit disappointed in this thread to be honest, a lot of you slagging off Ovil for taking this fight instead of looking at Ramiraz and/or blaming the federation itself.

As i've always argued against, if you let the champions get away with soft defences then you can't complain when fights like this happen, with more belts, more money there's more chance of it happening unless we as fans don't accept it at all.

It's useless looking to the past and stating well it wasn't done that way then, every sport must move on and this includes boxing.

The federations SHOULD not be based in America (or the UK for that matter) as it's already been shown how corrupt it can get. Personal feeling is that each country should have it's own federation with the worlds being nominated every 2 years or something.

Boxings broken, there's too many issues at the moment including belts, rankings, judging, drug testing that noone actually seems to want to change, and that's before we get into the 'undefeated streaks'.

And finally, good luck to Ovill, alas there's too many of the 'hard working but unspectacular' pro's getting a shot to make this a true cinderella story but if he goes over and wins then dont' see how we can take it away from him. You can only fight what's put in front of you.

Is anyone else getting sick and tired of the petty arguments coming from all corners??? can we start debating the point and not the poster. I don't agree with everyone but sometimes even your worst enemy can make a good point (apart from D4, he's a d*** of the highest order)
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri 02 Oct 2015, 9:48 am

Trussy thinks only undefeated former amatuer stand outs should have the right to fight for world titles.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 02 Oct 2015, 9:54 am

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Trussy thinks only undefeated former amatuer/American stand outs should have the right to fight for world titles.

Corrected for you.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 02 Oct 2015, 10:20 am

Great opportunity for McKenzie - hope he pulls it off. He absolutely clattered Jon-Lewis Dickinson up here. Tremendous shot.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Fri 02 Oct 2015, 11:18 am

I agree with truss on this one boxers will always try to get as low as they can regardless of when the weigh in is, i do think there should be a limit of the amount of weight you can put on after the weigh in. The IBF have a rule on this, other governing bodies should follow

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri 02 Oct 2015, 11:22 am

wheelchair1991 wrote:I agree with truss on this one boxers will always try to get as low as they can regardless of when the weigh in is, i do think there should be a limit of the amount of weight you can put on after the weigh in.  The IBF have a rule on this, other governing bodies should follow

Definately do not agree. Boxers like Chavez and Quillin rehydrate to ridiculas amounts.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 02 Oct 2015, 2:35 pm

Same day weigh-ins with weight checks leading up to the fight would be better for the sport.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 02 Oct 2015, 2:45 pm

What happens when fighters don't hit/make targets though?

Can the commision unilaterally cancel the fight??

Take Floyd-JMM as an example. Blatant flouncing of the rules but Floyd threw away a few cents worth of a fine and JMM agreed to go through with it anyway as he didn't want to walk away from the sizeable purse.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri 02 Oct 2015, 2:53 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:What happens when fighters don't hit/make targets though?

Can the commision unilaterally cancel the fight??

Take Floyd-JMM as an example.  Blatant flouncing of the rules but Floyd threw away a few cents worth of a fine and JMM agreed to go through with it anyway as he didn't want to walk away from the sizeable purse.

Happened to Kevin Mitchell for his fight against Maduma he came 2 pound over his. It was only an eliminator so not sure what would happen if a title was involved. It would probably only be available for the boxer who came within the hyrdation clause.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Sat 03 Oct 2015, 8:06 am

Take it no one watched this then. Just finished watching and my card is:

1. 9-10 Mckenzie
2. 9-10 Mckenzie
3. 9-10 Mckenzie  
4. 10-9 Ramirez
5. 10-9 Ramirez
6. 10-9 Ramirez
7. 9-10 Mckenzie
8. 10-9 Ramirez
9. 9-10  Mckenzie  
10. 9-10 Mckenzie  
11. 10-9 Ramirez
12. 9-10 Mckenzie
Total: 113-115 Mckenzie

Due to him being on foreign soil I didn't give him much of a chance but it was actually scored fairly.

Alejandro Lopez Cid 113-115, John Poturaj 114-114, Larry Layton 115-113

So A split draw. Hopefully he can get a rematch.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Sat 03 Oct 2015, 8:18 am

Ramirez is one of the poorer champions ive seen in a while

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Sat 03 Oct 2015, 8:43 am

What impressed me about Ovil was his footwork and boxing on the back foot. Didn't know he even had that in his locker.

He hurt Ramirez to a body a couple times as well.

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