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Post by spencerclarke Mon 23 Nov 2015, 8:07 pm

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Evening all,

What's everyone's thoughts on Saturdays fight? Wlad in round 9 for me.

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Post by hazharrison Thu 26 Nov 2015, 2:36 pm

AdamT wrote:Haz do you know who Fury is?? I wasn't sure your fossil writers you love to wack off to, would know who he is.

Who threw you nuts Pee Wee? Get back to your colouring book.

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Post by ShahenshahG Thu 26 Nov 2015, 3:07 pm

Laugh

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Post by 3fingers Thu 26 Nov 2015, 5:25 pm

hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not sure Fury will be the one lunging in....

Taller..bigger reach.....If he has any sense he'll try to catch Wlad lunging in and tie him up If he doesn't..

Then again he hasn't got any sense..

I agree - everything in the build up points to him leaning away, countering and moving.

I bet if Fury leans back he'll overextend end his torso, drop his hands, peer over his gloves, and leave his chin in the air. Then get put on the seat of his shorts by a long left hook. He needs to employ the Scouse Lay Back for it to work and be in a position to counter.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 26 Nov 2015, 5:48 pm

The closer it gets the more I don't rate Fury's chances...

Those that want Fury to win are like defence attorneys trying to fight an overwhelming case.

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Post by DuransHorse Thu 26 Nov 2015, 6:44 pm

Appreciate you said the closer it gets you cant see Fury winning, TRUSS... but didn't you write a thread giving him a great chance a month or so back? What's changed? If anything Fury looks like he's done all he can do to prepare and Wlad has done what he always does.

I still think Wlad heavily but what's changed your mind?

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Post by BoxingFan88 Thu 26 Nov 2015, 11:18 pm

A lot of knowledgeable boxing fans on the ytbc are picking fury

Interesting...

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Post by huw Fri 27 Nov 2015, 8:30 am

Having seen a bit of the build up I'm surprised at how relaxed Fury is.

Seems like he either expects to win this or he knows this is a lottery winning fight pay wise.

Can't help but think Fury is going to do something nuts in the ring though.

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Post by ShahenshahG Fri 27 Nov 2015, 8:39 am

Ytbc?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 9:24 am

Can't believe Fury is as short as 4/1......

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 10:02 am

huw wrote:Having seen a bit of the build up I'm surprised at how relaxed Fury is.

Seems like he either expects to win this or he knows this is a lottery winning fight pay wise.

Can't help but think Fury is going to do something nuts in the ring though.

He's there to win. That puts him in a bit of an exclusive club.

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Post by DuransHorse Fri 27 Nov 2015, 11:17 am

The problem I have is working out how Fury can win. He's in Wlads territory so I think given Wlads boxing fundamentals he will win enough rounds to 'justify' a points win... even if Fury boxes well and generally beats Wlad to the jab it can't be one-sided enough to get the nod on the cards. Fury needs the knock out and I just don't think he has that sort of power of finishing skills.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 11:29 am

DuransHorse wrote:The problem I have is working out how Fury can win.  He's in Wlads territory so I think given Wlads boxing fundamentals he will win enough rounds to 'justify' a points win... even if Fury boxes well and generally beats Wlad to the jab it can't be one-sided enough to get the nod on the cards.  Fury needs the knock out and I just don't think he has that sort of power of finishing skills.  

I don't think he needs to land a big one - if he chips away at Klitschko (who is used to getting through fights while barely being hit) he can tire the old boy out. Povetkin had him absolutely bricking it prior to Wlad's Big Daddy act.

Let's be honest, Fury will need a great night to pull it off but he's got a chance. A real chance.


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Post by DuransHorse Fri 27 Nov 2015, 11:38 am

hazharrison wrote:
DuransHorse wrote:The problem I have is working out how Fury can win.  He's in Wlads territory so I think given Wlads boxing fundamentals he will win enough rounds to 'justify' a points win... even if Fury boxes well and generally beats Wlad to the jab it can't be one-sided enough to get the nod on the cards.  Fury needs the knock out and I just don't think he has that sort of power of finishing skills.  

I don't think he needs to land a big one - if he chips away at Klitschko (who is used to getting through fights while barely being hit) he can tire the old boy out. Povetkin had him absolutely bricking it prior to Wlad's Big Daddy act.

Let's be honest, Fury will need a great night to pull it off but he's got a chance. A real chance.


I hope you're right. He looks like he's taken training seriously, given himself the best shot he can in his prep and is talking a good and confident game so who knows.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 11:51 am

Am mainly curious seeing Wlad fight without being able to lean on and wrestle his opponent. And maybe even be beaten to the jab occassionally (he won't be able to simply lean out of range like he did versus Haye).

Just hope Fury doesn't get spark early...

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Post by BoxingFan88 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 1:11 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Ytbc?

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Post by BoxingFan88 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 1:13 pm

hazharrison wrote:
DuransHorse wrote:The problem I have is working out how Fury can win.  He's in Wlads territory so I think given Wlads boxing fundamentals he will win enough rounds to 'justify' a points win... even if Fury boxes well and generally beats Wlad to the jab it can't be one-sided enough to get the nod on the cards.  Fury needs the knock out and I just don't think he has that sort of power of finishing skills.  

I don't think he needs to land a big one - if he chips away at Klitschko (who is used to getting through fights while barely being hit) he can tire the old boy out. Povetkin had him absolutely bricking it prior to Wlad's Big Daddy act.

Let's be honest, Fury will need a great night to pull it off but he's got a chance. A real chance.


I agree he has a chance, the closer it gets the more I believe he can do it.

I just think Wlad raises him game to the opponent, however this time he doesn't have the physical advantages he usually does

The ridiculous grappling he got away with against Povetkin won't work against Fury

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Post by AdamT Fri 27 Nov 2015, 1:14 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Am mainly curious seeing Wlad fight without being able to lean on and wrestle his opponent. And maybe even be beaten to the jab occassionally (he won't be able to simply lean out of range like he did versus Haye).

Just hope Fury doesn't get spark early...

Good post and I agree.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 1:52 pm

Fury 247, Klitschko 246.


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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Fri 27 Nov 2015, 1:54 pm

Fury looking in relatively decent shape.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 2:10 pm

hazharrison wrote:Fury 247, Klitschko 246.


Wow, that's serious work from Fury, was always interested to see him looking sub-250.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 2:39 pm

Looks like Fury will box and move. It will be interesting to see if he can make Klitschko lead (he'll be desperate not to).

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Post by AdamT Fri 27 Nov 2015, 2:40 pm

You think he will box and move Haz? There was me thinking he was losing this weight to overpower Wlad Rolling Eyes

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Post by kingraf Fri 27 Nov 2015, 2:42 pm

does anyone have a picture where Fury has three inches on Wlad? For all the talk of his size advantage, I'm yet to see a side by side where this is particularly evident, and they look about the same height in the weigh in. Also, Wlad is only one pound lighter and Fury still looks a little soft so I'd be surprised if he can bully Wlad or end up on the right side of clinching contest
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 2:48 pm

DuransHorse wrote:Appreciate you said the closer it gets you cant see Fury winning, TRUSS... but didn't you write a thread giving him a great chance a month or so back? What's changed? If anything Fury looks like he's done all he can do to prepare and Wlad has done what he always does.

I still think Wlad heavily but what's changed your mind?

Always picked Wlad mate but I do give Fury more of a chance than many on here.......

I'm going for Wlad to come through a couple of sticky moments to win in the 8th round.. thumbsup

When Tubbs, Witherspoon, Page used to weigh 235...........They were called slobs.....

Amazing how the heavies have evolved............

This rate in 30 years time they'll all be 7ft and weighing 310..........

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 2:50 pm

AdamT wrote:You think he will box and move Haz? There was me thinking he was losing this weight to overpower Wlad Rolling Eyes

There are a few on here who believe he'll try and overpower Klitschko Pee Wee. Obviously not you. You'll have analysed this in slow motion have you? Those 18 months you've spent watching boxing have turned you into a real little expert.

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Post by tommyhearnsprodigalson Fri 27 Nov 2015, 3:53 pm

Wlad must be standing on a soapbox or something cuz I don't see furys height advantage whatsoever!

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Post by Adam D Fri 27 Nov 2015, 4:29 pm

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Post by AdamT Fri 27 Nov 2015, 4:58 pm

Pee wee??

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 27 Nov 2015, 5:42 pm

Home time....

The fight is booked...and it better be good..or else...

The Wife gets a slap.....The eldest gets grounded for a decade...The neighbors tyres get slashed and the cat gets chucked in the microwave..

Wlad ko 8 you heard it here first....If Fury wins forget you heard it !! Cool

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Post by Guest Fri 27 Nov 2015, 5:51 pm

catchweight wrote:I have seen Fury talking his gameplan on the fight and if he is to be believed its difficult to see the fight going more than a few rounds. He say he plans to throw the jab and then wade in immediately afterwards with uppercuts and hooks. Its knock out or get knocked out stuff.  

He has me totally sold that hes going to really go for Klitscho here! I dont think I have ever looked forward to a Klitschko fight more!

With all due respect to Fury when has he ever fought like this? In all his best wins he's fought cautiously behind the jab, generally going the distance. I don't think he's that big a hitter. Hard to see beyond Wlad points or late stoppage. But lets hope Fury is good as his word as win or lose we'll finally see a decent Wlad fight.

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Post by catchweight Fri 27 Nov 2015, 6:00 pm

The fight against Cunningham, for one.

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Post by AdamT Fri 27 Nov 2015, 6:06 pm

If Haz was your wife I would be happy you give her a slap Truss!

He likes to throw around the term pee wee.

Haz are you a Willy watcher??

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Post by Marlonz Fri 27 Nov 2015, 6:30 pm

Been going back and forth with this fight, even though my initial hunch was that Wlad wins comfortably. Just so many people backing Tyson and a heck of a lot of hype coming from IFL TV, I'm starting to think I've missed something with him. But I was disappointed with the look of him at the weigh in and don't share the view of many pundits and boxers that said he looked in great shape. Even though he weighed in at 247lbs, he looked fleshy. Granted, he's never going to look ripped, but I've seen him look in better condition than this before - Chisora 1, Rogan, Del Nascimento, etc.. Strange.

Anyway, have a feeling Wladimir keeps it long and uses the 24' ring well and starts to catch Fury coming in, eventually nailing him with either a right hand or that left hook that he seems able to throw from out of nowhere. Wladimir KO 9. Difficult to see him get much credit in the aftermath though.

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Post by kingraf Fri 27 Nov 2015, 6:58 pm

I have the exact same problem Marlon. I don't know what has been seen that I can't see.
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Post by kingraf Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:02 pm

Even the supposed size advantage seems at best neglible, at worst nonexistent
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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:07 pm

Fury might be taller but Wlad stands taller which is all that matters really.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:12 pm

AdamT wrote:If Haz was your wife I would be happy you give her a slap Truss!

He likes to throw around the term pee wee.

Haz are you a Willy watcher??

You even dream about slapping me you'd better wake up and apologise Pee Wee.

You're either an alias or worse - a copycat account. Both equally cretinous.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:13 pm

Are you sure your carers let you online Haz?

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Post by AdamT Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:15 pm

You have spent the last year accusing me of being Truss and were proved wrong boy.

That was a fascinating Ali quote I like that.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:20 pm

AdamT wrote:You have spent the last year accusing me of being Truss and were proved wrong boy.

That was a fascinating Ali quote I like that.

So you're a Truss parody? That's even worse. Dear me, kids these days.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:21 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Are you sure your carers let you online Haz?


Who rattled your cage sad sack? Don't you have graveyards to visit?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:22 pm

Look the baby is starting to throw yet another hissy fit, need a dummy?

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Post by AdamT Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:23 pm

Haz how about I go back and eat my nuts, watch fights in slow motion and you can go back to pretending GGG is an ATG. Is that fair enough??

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:25 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Look the baby is starting to throw yet another hissy fit, need a dummy?

Keep your chat up lines to yourself Victor. This is a boxing board.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 27 Nov 2015, 7:31 pm

sohotnot wrote:
catchweight wrote:I have seen Fury talking his gameplan on the fight and if he is to be believed its difficult to see the fight going more than a few rounds. He say he plans to throw the jab and then wade in immediately afterwards with uppercuts and hooks. Its knock out or get knocked out stuff.  

He has me totally sold that hes going to really go for Klitscho here! I dont think I have ever looked forward to a Klitschko fight more!

With all due respect to Fury when has he ever fought like this? In all his best wins he's fought cautiously behind the jab, generally going the distance. I don't think he's that big a hitter. Hard to see beyond Wlad points or late stoppage. But lets hope Fury is good as his word as win or lose we'll finally see a decent Wlad fight.

You're spot on. I expect Fury to box from range and only go gung ho if Klitschko hurts him (he will want to go out on his shield).

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Post by Marlonz Fri 27 Nov 2015, 8:14 pm

kingraf wrote:I have the exact same problem Marlon. I don't know what has been seen that I can't see.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I can't help but think that ALL the opponents Fury has faced to date have been at least 2 levels beneath Wladimir and there's no addressing of this whatsoever by any of his team. Also, I feel that too much importance is being placed on this "Old man getting retired by the young man" mantra even though Wlad looked in excellent shape today - Doubtful he will grow old in the next 24 hours. Peter Fury was saying how Tyson was in the "best shape ever", then at the weigh in that was clearly contradicted, what else have they said that you now have to wonder might have been delusional? It seems like the Fury camp are placing all their eggs in one basket and there's no balancing of reality in their words. Certainly not anything that has been put out by IFL TV anyway.

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Post by DuransHorse Fri 27 Nov 2015, 8:16 pm

I think Tysons done about right with the weight. He wants to ensure he's not too light anyway as he doesn't want to be out muscled... although wlad, Joshua, Haye and Briggs could all enter Mr Universe and not look out of place. Wilders top half would also get in but he'd have to convince the judges hed been in a wheelchair for the past year and only just started walking again. Got to say, for a man near 40 Wlad does put shame on the most of the younger guys.

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Post by DuransHorse Fri 27 Nov 2015, 8:21 pm

Marlonz, I see what your saying but as a man nearing 40 myself I have a six pack and look the sportsman now, when I was younger I carried a bit more wobbly timber despite being into exorcise. My younger self would beat me hands down these days. Muscles and a sixpack can disguise the deterioration of the engine and joints running the show.

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Post by DuransHorse Fri 27 Nov 2015, 8:22 pm

Exorcise... I dont think i was never into that?

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