Pacquiao vs Vargas

Has any UK network picked this up yet?

Its a week on Saturday and I can't find any news

Its an absolutely cracking card, I'm super excited to see Manny again and see how he can deal with a full time job and being an elite boxer

Easy win for Manny. Similar to Floyd vs Berto.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Has any UK network picked this up yet?

Its a week on Saturday and I can't find any news

Its an absolutely cracking card, I'm super excited to see Manny again and see how he can deal with a full time job and being an elite boxer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2016/10/19/what-time-is-jessie-vargas-vs-manny-pacquiao-what-tv-channel-is/

As it stands, the fight isn't on television in the UK - only on pay-per-view, screened by promoters Top Rank.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Has any UK network picked this up yet?

Its a week on Saturday and I can't find any news

Its an absolutely cracking card, I'm super excited to see Manny again and see how he can deal with a full time job and being an elite boxer

I'm just contemplating the fatigue factor of manny in his role as senator. I'm not sure how much energy it takes to smile a lot before mouthing off with homophobic diatribes or supporting the mass murder of your people... In the name of God, obviously. Must be fatiguing to do all that with just the two brain cells. Might cost him in this fight. Oh he's fighting Vargas... He'll be alright then.

Good post Milky.

Just hope Peado doesn't accuse you of spoiling the thread!

I don't have a problem with the homophobic, they have as much right too hold an opinion as a gay person has to be gay. I don't care if he's in a position of influence, so 'should know better'. People are influenced by societal norms, they believe what they are told is acceptable. Good on those with the integrity and courage to say what they believe in the face of The Majority, despite the forthcoming backlash.

Mental exhaustion is a thing you know

It's a nothing fight really.

Maybe to you

Shows how highly you rate Pacquiao

I rate him highly. Vargas is no match.

Though Manny Is no spring chicken. I just think he will box his head off. Probably win by late stoppage.

BoxingFan88 wrote:Maybe to you

Shows how highly you rate Pacquiao

The lack of interest is a big hint really, Vargas is barely in the divisions top ten.

Boxnation just picked it up

Hell Yes!!!

Super card, I cannot wait!!!

Decent card if not a little underwhelming main event

Manny obviously has a lot left, he showed against Bradley that he's still got the skills, still got speed and a bit of pop

But he's been kept away from punchers especially since JMM, and now he's against a guy who has 10 KOs in 27 victories

I guess at 38 we can't expect Manny to be put in against the top top fighters in the division but I'd love to see him try against Brook, Thurman, Spence, Porter or Garcia

It's an underwhelming card; Pacquiao and Donaire against weak opponents whilst Shiming is purely just a Chinese marketing ploy from Arum.

I'm trying not to stir anymore, but I'm still going to be honest and ask the question!

Why get excited for this bout? Unless Manny is completely shot, he will win very easily.


Will I watch the fight? Yeah because Manny does bring excitement. Am I excited for it? Definitely not.

Well I'm excited to see a legend of the sport, especially after his last performance

See if Manny has anything left and if he does Crawford could be on the horizon next

I'm a huge Donaire fan so those two on the same card is a win win

Both fights will be very exciting while they last

So not really sure what there is to complain about

Its going to be entertaining the crowd will be electric, its Manny in Vegas on PPV

If you can't get excited for that then...

Brook vs GGG was a mismatch

Did you watch it?

Were you on the edge of your seat?

There's nothing to get excited for, it takes more than two modern greats in against overmatched opponents.

Donaire a great?

Good, but didn't do enough to be remembered as a great by any stretch

He's a five weight world champion, regarded as the man in three of those including wins over Darchinyan, Montiel, Nishioka, Narvaez and a raft of other good fighters, fairly happy calling him a great.

Donaire was always rated very highly. It just shows how superb the Rigondeaux win was.

None of those divisions were particularly strong his career sounds more impressive than it was wasn't even competitive against Rigondeaux unable to bounce back from defeat mental weakness? Surely he has to be more competitive than that against the Cuban if he was as good as the hype people were lavishing on him? Good don't get me a wrong

I don't see how losing to Rigondeaux stops your being great, many great fighters were made to look average in their careers; Charley Burley was beaten handily by Ezzard Charles twice, I doubt you'd say that impacts on his greatness.

Joe Frazier, Michael Spinks, Roberto Duran, Manny Pacquiao, Bob Fitzsimmons and the list goes on of great fighters being easily beaten nigh on embarrassed.

The lower divisions have more strength in depth than the higher ones they just contain less American and British fighters so are less well known, Magdaleno for instance is the first American that Donaire is fighting in a title fight.

That's a good comeback in fairness and for once free from the usual petulant tone of course and you are right you can't and never should hold up one fight in assessing a fighters overall worth

So I'm just going on instinct for me the statistics make it sound like he's better than he is show me the outstanding wins on his record Darch and Montiel certainly good wins maybe some people lavished so much praise on him they maybe too proud to admit they may have got it wrong?

He fought valiantly against Walters too. Just wasn't big enough.

Walters is an animal at the weight.

I like the flash.

I don't think that we are in any disagreement that he was very good just that the term great gets thrown about too readily these days there is even a hall of fame sticky on this forum to highlight this if being harsh as possible(which I always prefer) can we really call Donaire a true great holding up his wins against boxers of the past?

Genuinely don't care about the Manny fight. It is a "gimme" and there's not really much point to it. Undercard is ok.Won't be watching though.

I do enjoy watching Manny, so will watch. Though it's a bad choice of an opponent.

Manny's still a good fighter but the shoulder surgery hasn't brought about a return of the devastating fighter circa Hatton and Cotto

Have to conclude Floyd beat him fair and square(still would have liked to have seen their fight pre Marquez) so I think if Floyd is getting the itch then I think he can move on from Pacquaio already proved he's the better man

As I say there are some of the most interesting fights of his career still to be had in Thurman, Andrade and Golovkin at 54. I'd love to see Floyd return to appreciate his ring genius

Some great fights about for Manny too Crawford at 140 springs to mind beat Terence then maybe we could talk Floyd

Herman you're not a bad poster, but gone stop mentioning Floyd vs GGG.

One guy walks around not much higher than 147 and the other is the most destructive fighter in the world at 160.

Also Floyd is semi retired and near 40.

He has skills, but GGG would walk through him now.

Donaire looks finished at the top level now, at 33 he's old for the lower divisions and was never the best defensively, between 2007 and 2012 he was a sight to behold, a modern great in my opinion and somebody who always wanted to fight the best. It gets forgotten that he unlike many forced Arum into making the Rigondeaux fight and his resume reads of a who's who of the little men.

Time to retire now Nonito.

It's nice to get a compliment for a change Adam

Well Thurman and Andrade would do for now if and I did say if Floyd is getting the itch. Beat those two and who knows Floyd could grow a pair

Manny against Brook would be some fight too

And Spence against any of Floyd Manny or Brook would get fans buzzing so I hope Kell decides to campaign at welterweight rather than 54 and we'd have some good fights to look forward to

Am I the only one who wouldn't be surprised if a Pacquiao v Canelo fight was made?

Pacquiao still has the pull to ask for a catchweight.

Well Roach has said he likes the Canelo fight so wouldn't be at all surprised

Floyd needs to calm himself down on the goat claims though when he clearly didn't meet the challenge of Golovkin who was prepared to drain himself for the fight. Greatest of all times don't cherry pick

Also out of Crawford Brook Spence and Canelo for Manny, Canelo would be the least interesting fight for me

The fight should be easy to make. Pacquiao is now the WBO 147lb champ, Canelo the WBO champ at 154lbs.

If Khan can get to fight Canelo and Brook to fight GGG, then Pacquiao v Canelo has to be a no brainer.

It's a big money match up. Can't believe they wouldn't cash in.

Thought Pacquiao looked great TBH, he went a bit reckless in the middle and stopped using his skills, but for the most part he won convincingly

He made some lovely angles one of my particular faves was the cork screw uppercut in the 11th round

It still amazes me how Pacquiao can beat these guys who are so much bigger than him and has to take real risks in order to get into punching range and still makes it look easy

Absolutely gutted for Donaire but the right man won in my opinion, Donaire for some reason was just looking for the big shot again, he lost that small step so his speed wasn't quite there and it made all the difference, he was just a tad too slow

Magdeleno really impressed me, he took away Donaires left hook and landed enough to get the W

Thats a good fight for Rigondeaux now

Overall really enjoyed the card, loved watching Pacquiao again, I still believe he is criminally under rated, he is always fighting bigger guys

Remember he hasn't actually starched someone at 147, he can drop them, but not keep them down

At 140, he would be a different animal, that power would definitely make the difference

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Donaire looks finished at the top level now, at 33 he's old for the lower divisions and was never the best defensively, between 2007 and 2012 he was a sight to behold, a modern great in my opinion and somebody who always wanted to fight the best. It gets forgotten that he unlike many forced Arum into making the Rigondeaux fight and his resume reads of a who's who of the little men.

Time to retire now Nonito.

Yeah man

Donaire just lost a step with his speed and Magdeleno actually looked faster

Donaire just looked for that one punch, left hook was a non factor in the fight and missed so wildly

Great fight though, Donaire win or lose always brings it

BoxingFan88 wrote:Remember he hasn't actually starched someone at 147, he can drop them, but not keep them down

At 140, he would be a different animal, that power would definitely make the difference

My only bone of contention would be this BF88, he's fighting bigger men granted but I don't think his power would be improved down at 140lbs.

He's only ever fought two genuine Welterweights and they were Clottey and Margarito, those two aside everybody else were themselves more natural at the lower weights, his speed rather than his power were what did for Cotto and Hatton.

He did well beating Vargas but in reality was an easy belt to pick up.

That is true

But Pacquiao stopped cotto

Canelo couldn't

Everyone who fights Pacquiao turns into a boxer if you try and come at manny he will wipe you out

If he hurts bigger guys it's logical that he will do more to smaller ones

He didn't throw as many combos. Still has good angles and awesome speed.

Imo Manny Is the best welter in the world, not including Spence.

Pacquiao is still fantastic, but has clearly slipped a fair bit and I like what I see in Spence.

Wouldn't be Surprised if Manny outboxed him, but I like what I see in Spence.

Pacquiao schools Brook, Khan, Thurman etc all day long.

Yeah Pacquiao doesn't quite have the youth to throw combinations like he used to

I love his angles though some of his shots are down right ridiculous

Speed, speed, speed, I remember Cotto remarking after the fight that he didn't see the right hand that put him down in the third and thereafter he went into his shell, barely throwing.

Manny Is very fast.

I would actually like to see Khan and Manny fight.

It would be a great blend of speed/styles. Would make a very exciting fight.

Won't happen though. All things pointing to the Mayweather rematch. If that fails? A fight at 140 vs Crawford.

Bound to be the Mayweather rematch isn't it otherwise Crawford. Lomachenko is another great fight that could happen later on

Pacman is impressive. Even at WW he's 'small'.

Wouldn't surprise me him fighting Canelo. He isn't afraid of a challenge or losing.

Let's not forget, he started winning world titles at flyweight. If Floyd was to stretch to the same escalation in weight classes he would be fighting GGG.

I'm not necessarily criticising Floyd, as it's good health and body. But, like everybody else, I'm disappointed as Floyd v GGG would be a good fight.

But it underlines the magnitude of achievement that pacman has achieved.

Happytravelling wrote:Pacman is impressive. Even at WW he's 'small'.

Wouldn't surprise me him fighting Canelo. He isn't afraid of a challenge or losing.

Let's not forget, he started winning world titles at flyweight. If Floyd was to stretch to the same escalation in weight classes he would be fighting GGG.

I'm not necessarily criticising Floyd, as it's good health and body. But, like everybody else, I'm disappointed as Floyd v GGG would be a good fight.

But it underlines the magnitude of achievement that pacman has achieved.

I'm glad Floyd didn't fight GGG, that is a huge size mismatch and GGG would walk through him like he did with Brook

I tend to agree, to a point, which is why I'm not too critical and made the comment about health etc.

Certainly, Floyd doesn't have the power at WW to keep GGG off. Would have been interesting to see if his ring craft could make it more interesting.

But, without the pop, I can see how you think it may be an inevitability rather than a competitive bout.

But Pacman fighting at WW and LMW were greater steps for a man who started out at fly.

We may never see another fighter move through the weights like this man did. I don't think we will anyway. Unreal what he's accomplished in his career for a man that started at flyweight and I don't think he gets the full credit for it. He might not get the credit he deserves until he retires and people can fully digest his accomplishments.

I preferred Floyd, and wanted him to win their fight. I've never been a Pacquaio fan but his record is outstanding. Great, great fighter and should be really high up on all time p4p rankings once he retires.

Marquez will be thrown at him (although I thought Pacquaio lost 3 of the fights) and rightly so although other great fighters have had their bogeyman. If you took his career to the early 40's or 50's then he'd be pushing top 10.

I fully agree with the post above.

I've always preferred Floyd, been following him longer.

Though Pacquiao is one of the greats and he will be remembered as the star of his generation, if not quite the best.

Great,great entertaining fighter.

I like both, I'm no historian, but those two are the two best fighters I have seen in my lifetime by some distance

Don't mind which way around you rank them

I think Pacquiao and Mayweather may be admired like Sir Alex Ferguson is now or Paul Scholes (Manchester United fan haha) in that you don't really appreciate how good they really were until you don't seem them anymore