Edinburgh and Glasgow: Ongoing Banter Thread XIV (It's still personal)

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2007–08
28 December 2007, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 35–31 Glasgow Warriors
11 April 2008, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 54–49

2008–09
26 December 2008, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 39–6 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–20 Edinburgh
Winner: Edinburgh 59–31

2009–10
27 December 2009, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 25–12 Edinburgh
2 January 2010, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 15–22 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–27

2010–11
27 December 2010, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 30–18 Edinburgh
2 January 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 28–17 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 47–46

2011–12
26 December 2011, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–23 Glasgow Warriors
1 January 2012, Firhill Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 17–12 Edinburgh
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 40–35

2012–13
21 December 2012, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 23–14 Edinburgh
29 December 2012, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 17–21 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Glasgow Warriors 44–31

2013–14
26 December 2013, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 16–20 Glasgow Warriors
26 April 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 37–34 Edinburgh (postponed from 1st Jan due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Glasgow 57–50

2014–15
27 December 2014, Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 16–6 Edinburgh
2 January 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 20–8 Glasgow Warriors
Winner: Edinburgh 26–24

2015–16
27 December 2015, Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow Warriors
2 January 2016, Murrayfield Stadium, Glasgow Warriors 11–14 Edinburgh (moved from Scotstoun due to waterlogged pitch)
Winner: Edinburgh 37–22

Winners tally
Glasgow Warriors - 6
Edinburgh - 3

Some tidying up could be required as I'm no a PC wizz!

PS - Any player from Ayr is not necessarily "World class"

by **RDW** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 9:29 am

tigertattie wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Seems like it could be a good move from Glasgow, wish Edinburgh were making a move for him instead though
Why would you do that when you have the World Class Meatball, Mr Duncan Weir?

Very true. How could I forget about World Class Weir. Apparently he had a decent game down at Harlequins, but I doubt many Edinburgh fans travelled down, so as the old question goes, If Weir had a good game, but no one was there to see it, did he actually have a good game? Or something like that.

Idiocy by the SRU once again!

They'll be looking to develop Hastings as an alternative to Flaky Finn. Why then place him in the same team where they'll be fighting it out for the 10 shirt meaning they'll be sharing game time with the flaky one gaining the lions share!

Hastings should go to Edinburgh to fight out the 10 shirt with Tovey and Weir can return to Glasgow as the backup for Russell!

The only way I can see this making sense is if Finn is going to be disappearing to another club next season!

Adam Hastings is still very young and is basically an academy player looking to take the next step up with regular gametime.

Are you really saying he'd be better off being 3rd choice at Edinburgh, behind 2 players who will not be away on international duty very often (at all in Tovey's case) as opposed to 2nd choice at Glasgow when Russell will definitely be away a lot with Scotland?

If he moved to Glasgow he would probably get at least 10 starts a season - he'd struggle to get half that for Edinburgh!

Hastings has shown promise but it is a bit of a push to think that he would automatically become first choice at Edinburgh.

by nickj Mon 16 Jan 2017, 9:35 am

IanBru wrote:I definitely don't want to sound in any way optimistic, but Scotstoun aside, the results this weekend have been very kind to Glasgow.

Next weekend, the important games are Montpellier v Northampton, Clermont v Exeter and Ulster v Bordeaux.

I think I'm right in setting out the possible permutations for Round Six:

If Glasgow win, they are through.

If Northampton, Clermont and Ulster win, Glasgow are effectively through regardless of their own result - Northampton and Ulster would need bonus point wins and a points difference turnaround of 131 and 70 respectively. Clermont are already through.

If Montpellier or Exeter win with bonus points, Glasgow will need a draw or two bonus points, unless Montpellier and Exeter have a points turnaround of 70 and 46 respectively (requiring that Glasgow win).

If Montpellier or Exeter win without a bonus, Glasgow will need a losing bonus, unless Montpellier and Exeter have a points turnaround of 70 and 46 respectively (requiring that Glasgow get a draw or two bonus points).

If Bordeaux win without a bonus, Glasgow would be through unless Bordeaux had a points turnaround of 42 (requiring that Glasgow get one bonus point).

If Bordeaux get a bonus point win, Glasgow would need a losing bonus point - if Bordeaux also turnaround the points difference by 42, Glasgow would need a draw or two bonus points.

If Castres somehow beat Leinster (which they won't), they will need Montpellier to get a worse result, plus a points turnaround of 42 with Montpellier and 35 with Glasgow.

All other results (i.e. Scarlets v Sale, Saracens v Toulon and Toulouse v Connacht) merely decide whether Glasgow would play the first, second or third seeds in the quarter-finals

Interestingly, we'll already know all of the other results before kickoff at Welford Road, so the boys will know exactly what they need to do. They might even be through already!

Shut up, Ian.

Great work Bru. Well that's fairly positive. We knew we need to win, but at least its still broadly in our own hands. I was trying to work this out during the Ulster game last night, then my 3 year and his 7 month year old brother were plonked on my lap and it suddenly became far too taxing. Great rugby this weekend, the Celts are looking good and despite Glasgow's last minute loss, I thought we looked threatening and I'm sure we'll go all out on Saturday. History beckons. Sarto can't come back soon enough IMO, the Selkirk pixie is just not good enough.

by EWT Spoons Mon 16 Jan 2017, 9:39 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Seems like it could be a good move from Glasgow, wish Edinburgh were making a move for him instead though
Why would you do that when you have the World Class Meatball, Mr Duncan Weir?

Very true. How could I forget about World Class Weir. Apparently he had a decent game down at Harlequins, but I doubt many Edinburgh fans travelled down, so as the old question goes, If Weir had a good game, but no one was there to see it, did he actually have a good game? Or something like that.

Idiocy by the SRU once again!

They'll be looking to develop Hastings as an alternative to Flaky Finn. Why then place him in the same team where they'll be fighting it out for the 10 shirt meaning they'll be sharing game time with the flaky one gaining the lions share!

Hastings should go to Edinburgh to fight out the 10 shirt with Tovey and Weir can return to Glasgow as the backup for Russell!

The only way I can see this making sense is if Finn is going to be disappearing to another club next season!

Adam Hastings is still very young and is basically an academy player looking to take the next step up with regular gametime.

Are you really saying he'd be better off being 3rd choice at Edinburgh, behind 2 players who will not be away on international duty very often (at all in Tovey's case) as opposed to 2nd choice at Glasgow when Russell will definitely be away a lot with Scotland?

If he moved to Glasgow he would probably get at least 10 starts a season - he'd struggle to get half that for Edinburgh!

Hastings has shown promise but it is a bit of a push to think that he would automatically become first choice at Edinburgh.

To be fair, his competition at Edinburgh would be much lower. I know in theory there are two people blocking his path to a starting role, but it would be easier to argue his inclusion ahead of Weir or Tovey than it would be ahead of Finn. But you are right in that when Finn's away with Scotland then he's likely to get a chance.

Also as mentioned I think it probably does mean that Russell is likely to be off in the next year or so.

by **RDW** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 9:50 am

We're not needing him to get ahead of Finn though - Finn is now an established international and Hastings is basically a new pro. If Hasting spends a season learning from Russell and getting say 10 starts and another 10 games off the bench then he will be in a very good place in the following season when there is a fair chance that Russell will be off - Hastings could then find himself being number 1, and will be ready for it by then.

Whatever we think of Weir, he is still viewed favourably by the current Edinbrugh setup and Tovey is still a very good 10 too.

by EWT Spoons Mon 16 Jan 2017, 9:55 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:We're not needing him to get ahead of Finn though - Finn is now an established international and Hastings is basically a new pro. If Hasting spends a season learning from Russell and getting say 10 starts and another 10 games off the bench then he will be in a very good place in the following season when there is a fair chance that Russell will be off - Hastings could then find himself being number 1, and will be ready for it by then.

Whatever we think of Weir, he is still viewed favourably by the current Edinbrugh setup and Tovey is still a very good 10 too.

I totally agree, I was just meaning that it would probably be easier for Hastings to force himself ahead of Weir & Tovey if he's at least semi competent. But yeah, from an unselfish point of view, it does make more sense for him to go to Glasgow, being 2nd choice to Finn and then potentially 1st choice when Finn heads off to France or England for the cash.

by IanBru Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:27 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:We're not needing him to get ahead of Finn though - Finn is now an established international and Hastings is basically a new pro. If Hasting spends a season learning from Russell and getting say 10 starts and another 10 games off the bench then he will be in a very good place in the following season when there is a fair chance that Russell will be off - Hastings could then find himself being number 1, and will be ready for it by then.

Whatever we think of Weir, he is still viewed favourably by the current Edinbrugh setup and Tovey is still a very good 10 too.

Agree completely - It pains me to say it, but I can't see Finn staying longer than one or two seasons. It took him that long to become a Pro12-winning-quality stand-off, so Hastings needs that time too. Taking off my selfish Glasgow hat (super glue is a bugger), I'd rather he learn at the feet of Rennie and O'Halloran than Bunsen and Beaker (or whoever the SRU can find incriminating photos of to compel them to take the reigns at Edinburgh).

by funnyExiledScot Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:28 am

I think Glasgow will get through. Nothing in this for the Tigers and, whilst they are a proud club, I think Glasgow at full throttle will be too much for them. A mighty effort against a very confident Munster team at the weekend, with Swinson in particular looking tireless.

A big well done to Edinburgh. That's a really decent result, notwithstanding the silly last five minutes. Need to track down highlights.

by IanBru Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:34 am

George Carlin wrote:I can only assume it was a quiet evening in Newcastle, but thanks very much for doing that.

Given the global political situation, season seven of Deep Space Nine just doesn't have the shock value it used to. Had to resort to an evening of Excel to get the blood flowing.

by **George Carlin** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 10:45 am

IanBru wrote:
George Carlin wrote:I can only assume it was a quiet evening in Newcastle, but thanks very much for doing that.
Given the global political situation, season seven of Deep Space Nine just doesn't have the shock value it used to. Had to resort to an evening of Excel to get the blood flowing.

Deep Space Nine. I never went there. With Marvel's Agents of SHIELD and Chloe Bennett in leather trousers, why would one?

by **RDW** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:01 pm

Anyone on here going to Myreside on Friday?

Given that the response from Edinburgh fans can best be described as mixed at best I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes!

The smaller stadium will definitely help, but the location and transport issues really aren't ideal.

by MacKnocked-on Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:10 pm

IanBru wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:We're not needing him to get ahead of Finn though - Finn is now an established international and Hastings is basically a new pro. If Hasting spends a season learning from Russell and getting say 10 starts and another 10 games off the bench then he will be in a very good place in the following season when there is a fair chance that Russell will be off - Hastings could then find himself being number 1, and will be ready for it by then.

Whatever we think of Weir, he is still viewed favourably by the current Edinbrugh setup and Tovey is still a very good 10 too.
Agree completely - It pains me to say it, but I can't see Finn staying longer than one or two seasons. It took him that long to become a Pro12-winning-quality stand-off, so Hastings needs that time too. Taking off my selfish Glasgow hat (super glue is a bugger), I'd rather he learn at the feet of Rennie and O'Halloran than Bunsen and Beaker (or whoever the SRU can find incriminating photos of to compel them to take the reigns at Edinburgh).

Is Kinghorn not still regarded as a potential 10 for Edinburgh or have the powers that be decided fullback is his position now?

by **RDW** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:14 pm

MacKnocked-on wrote:
IanBru wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:We're not needing him to get ahead of Finn though - Finn is now an established international and Hastings is basically a new pro. If Hasting spends a season learning from Russell and getting say 10 starts and another 10 games off the bench then he will be in a very good place in the following season when there is a fair chance that Russell will be off - Hastings could then find himself being number 1, and will be ready for it by then.

Whatever we think of Weir, he is still viewed favourably by the current Edinbrugh setup and Tovey is still a very good 10 too.
Agree completely - It pains me to say it, but I can't see Finn staying longer than one or two seasons. It took him that long to become a Pro12-winning-quality stand-off, so Hastings needs that time too. Taking off my selfish Glasgow hat (super glue is a bugger), I'd rather he learn at the feet of Rennie and O'Halloran than Bunsen and Beaker (or whoever the SRU can find incriminating photos of to compel them to take the reigns at Edinburgh).

Is Kinghorn not still regarded as a potential 10 for Edinburgh or have the powers that be decided fullback is his position now?

He's had a few runs at 10 but whenever he's played there he makes Russell look like a steady and consistent 10 by comparison! He is quite off the cuff shall we say and tends to throw quite a lot of wild passes. He may turn out to be a good 10 but I think he should stick at 15 - if he carries on his development he could end up as genuine competition for Hogg at 15, which is as good thing. Edinburgh don't have many options at 15 - and we now have a few 10s - so I can't see him playing at 10 much for Edinburgh either.

We have a bad history of shuffling players about - I think he needs to concentrate on becoming an international class 15.

by funnyExiledScot Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:19 pm

George Carlin wrote:
IanBru wrote:
George Carlin wrote:I can only assume it was a quiet evening in Newcastle, but thanks very much for doing that.
Given the global political situation, season seven of Deep Space Nine just doesn't have the shock value it used to. Had to resort to an evening of Excel to get the blood flowing.
Deep Space Nine. I never went there. With Marvel's Agents of SHIELD and Chloe Bennett in leather trousers, why would one?

How very Maggie Thatcher!!

by funnyExiledScot Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:21 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone on here going to Myreside on Friday?

Given that the response from Edinburgh fans can best be described as mixed at best I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes!

The smaller stadium will definitely help, but the location and transport issues really aren't ideal.

I'm not. I thought I wait a few games until the initial hype has worn down (what little of it there is), and they are giving away tickets for free.

by IanBru Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:24 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
IanBru wrote:
George Carlin wrote:I can only assume it was a quiet evening in Newcastle, but thanks very much for doing that.
Given the global political situation, season seven of Deep Space Nine just doesn't have the shock value it used to. Had to resort to an evening of Excel to get the blood flowing.
Deep Space Nine. I never went there. With Marvel's Agents of SHIELD and Chloe Bennett in leather trousers, why would one?

How very Maggie Thatcher!!

Shots fired.

by EWT Spoons Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:27 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Anyone on here going to Myreside on Friday?

Given that the response from Edinburgh fans can best be described as mixed at best I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes!

The smaller stadium will definitely help, but the location and transport issues really aren't ideal.

I'm going, looking forward to see how it goes. I've high hopes, but then I also have high hopes for Scotland every 6 nations and that's worked well so far.

by Welly Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:29 pm

What do Glasgow expect the traveling fans numbers to be like.

Should be a massive game for you guys so hopefully a good turnout.

by EST Mon 16 Jan 2017, 12:29 pm

Hastings to Glasgow makes sense to me. As has been mentioned, I can't see Russell staying on after his contract expires and Hastings will get plenty of game time at 10 with Russell away with Scotland. I can actually see Hastings having a few runs at 12 to help his transition, if he does come up North. One season to prepare for the starting role the season after, in an ideal world.

by IanBru Mon 16 Jan 2017, 1:06 pm

Welly wrote: What do Glasgow expect the traveling fans numbers to be like.

Should be a massive game for you guys so hopefully a good turnout.

From what I'm hearing, it'll be pretty big, as it's easily the most affordable of our three away fixtures. Plus, as soon as we beat Racing twice (and with Munster's form looking ominous), the Welford Road fixture was always going to be a significant occasion for us.

I'll be there with a crowd of my followers. OK, Jimbo, Schitz, Mrs Schitz, AN Other, and Hagia Sophia. Looking forward to it!

by jimbopip Mon 16 Jan 2017, 1:54 pm

IanBru wrote:
Welly wrote: What do Glasgow expect the traveling fans numbers to be like.

Should be a massive game for you guys so hopefully a good turnout.
From what I'm hearing, it'll be pretty big, as it's easily the most affordable of our three away fixtures. Plus, as soon as we beat Racing twice (and with Munster's form looking ominous), the Welford Road fixture was always going to be a significant occasion for us.

I'll be there with a crowd of my followers. OK, Jimbo, Schitz, Mrs Schitz, AN Other, and Hagia Sophia. Looking forward to it!

Don't forget that the Feckless Rogue is being allowed out to play with the grown ups and will be seeing his first rugby match. Very Happy

Also, Bru, thanks for your explanatory posting re. qualification. I tried to work it out on Saturday evening but a Brewery Tour with a group of rugby coaches isn't conducive to joined up thinking. Now if only someone could explain the quote function as clearly.

Without using the Father Ted clip, "Far away, small. Up close, big."

by jimbopip Mon 16 Jan 2017, 2:21 pm

So, if I understand correctly;
Win=qualify
2BP= qualify
1LBP= probably qualify.
We should go hell for leather on this, gie it laldy, empty the tanks, be seen to make an effort (as the Luvvies say). Losing 30-28 puts us through, so all out for four tries.

As fast Eddie says in The Hustler, "Percentage players die broke too. Let's shoot some pool, fat man."

by tigertattie Mon 16 Jan 2017, 2:23 pm

trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day" laughing

by funnyExiledScot Mon 16 Jan 2017, 2:31 pm

tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"

ASBO or RiskySports about Duncan Weir after the Scotland A victory over the Saxons??

Jimbo or Schizoid about whoever was playing flyhalf for Glasgow that weekend??

by jimbopip Mon 16 Jan 2017, 2:43 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"

ASBO or RiskySports about Duncan Weir after the Scotland A victory over the Saxons??

Jimbo and Schizoid about Richie Vernon deciding to play flyhalf for Glasgow next weekend

by **BigGee** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 2:45 pm

Welly wrote: What do Glasgow expect the traveling fans numbers to be like.

Should be a massive game for you guys so hopefully a good turnout.

As someone who goes to more Glasgow away games than home ones, due to geography, it always surprises me how many how many there are. Even in the pre-season friendly at Gloucester this year, we were sitting in a row of Glasgow fans and we all bought our tickets via the Gloucester web site.

We are not yet at Munster levels of support but because we have been doing well over the years and due to the Glasgow diaspora. Fans have discovered the joys of travelling to away matches and supporting their team and hopefully that will continue to grow.. As a long standing rugby fan, from before Glasgow existed as a professional rugby team, it has been a pleasure to me to visit some of the great citadels of rugby to see them play. I am looking forward to making my first visit to the legendary Wellford Rd this Saturday and hopefully seeing Glasgow qualify for their first euro knock outs.

by jimbopip Mon 16 Jan 2017, 3:01 pm

Gee, if you want a lift PM me. Otherwise PM me re. meeting up for a, long overdue, pint. Bru and Schiz are buying. Whistle

by **BigGee** Mon 16 Jan 2017, 3:05 pm

jimbopip wrote:Gee, if you want a lift PM me. Otherwise PM me re. meeting up for a, long overdue, pint. Bru and Schiz are buying.

Thanks Jim, but we are just going up for the day and will be driving, so beers probably not a good idea. We will catch up for one at some stage though!

by 123456789 Tue 17 Jan 2017, 6:06 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:I think Glasgow will get through. Nothing in this for the Tigers and, whilst they are a proud club, I think Glasgow at full throttle will be too much for them. A mighty effort against a very confident Munster team at the weekend, with Swinson in particular looking tireless.

A big well done to Edinburgh. That's a really decent result, notwithstanding the silly last five minutes. Need to track down highlights.

Highlights are on the edinburgh fb page, Weir looked eerily competent. Perhaps something about Jackson being there inspired him into rising to the "Titanic Battle of Bad to Mediocre Scottish Fly-Halves (by Professional Standards) of the early Twenty-First Century", a bit of a throwback to the Halcyon Days of Godman vs Parks in the 1872 cup.

by R!skysports Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:29 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"

ASBO or RiskySports about Duncan Weir after the Scotland A victory over the Saxons??

Jimbo or Schizoid about whoever was playing flyhalf for Glasgow that weekend??

Not I.

However I always thought NDL could be Wink

by **RDW** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 8:54 am

Andy Irvine (who is the Edinburgh Chairman apparently - who knew!) says that around 3000 tickets have been sold for Myreside on Friday. I suspect there will be a crowd of around 3500 once you add in tickets still to be bought and the inevitable freebies that will have been given out.

So this figure is around an average Edinbrugh crowd this season but it looks like they will be a few thousand off being able to #FillMreside

by EWT Spoons Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:30 am

I think that 3k number was prior to the Harlequins game. Might make a bit of a difference getting that result. Probably see somewhere just shy of 4k

by **RDW** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:32 am

EWT Spoons wrote:I think that 3k number was prior to the Harlequins game. Might make a bit of a difference getting that result. Probably see somewhere just shy of 4k

4k would actually be a decent crowd, especially in a close proximity stadium like Myreside, given that Timisoara Saracens are unlikely to bring much of a travelling support!

by **George Carlin** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:34 am

tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"

Dan Parks' mum about Dan Parks.

by tigertattie Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:39 am

George Carlin wrote:
tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"
Dan Parks' mum about Dan Parks.

Nah, was Hazel Sapling about Finn Russell laughing

by Tattie Scones RRN Tue 17 Jan 2017, 9:45 am

I reckon it was Gatland about Hogg.

by Hazel Sapling Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:01 am

tigertattie wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"
Dan Parks' mum about Dan Parks.

Nah, was Hazel Sapling about Finn Russell

What's wrong with that? He outplayed Dan Carter two weekends in a row

by EST Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:17 am

Hazel Sapling wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
tigertattie wrote:trivia time folks

Which poster said the following about which player

"he has the capability to be one of the best FH's in the world on his day"
Dan Parks' mum about Dan Parks.

Nah, was Hazel Sapling about Finn Russell

What's wrong with that? He outplayed Dan Carter two weekends in a row

I don't think Hazel is too far off with that comment. In terms of skill, I genuinely think that Russell has the lot. What he doesn't have is the ability to reign in his natural instincts to try and manufacture a try at every opportunity. Glasgow didn't need to score a try in the last 3 mins on the weekend, Russell needed to realise that and set his team up for a DG. FR is still relatively young in terms of pro games played, I am hopeful that he can adapt his game with more experience and become a more rounded player. What I would say is that Scotland are lucky to have him, especially if you look at his competition and players who have recently graced the Scotland 10 shirt - he is the best we have produced since the retirement of his coach by some margin.

by **RDW** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:27 am

So is Finn Russell the new Carlos Spencer??

Glasgow also weren't helped by Ali Price being at 9 - he's still very inexperienced. He also basically admitted part of the blame for not setting up a drop goal, essentially saying that he got caught up in the moment and didn't really think about it while trying to go for a try.

Given that one of Pyrgos' main strengths is game management should Toony not have brought him on knowing that they might have to engineer a drop goal / 3 point situation?

by **BigGee** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:33 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Given that one of Pyrgos' main strengths is game management should Toony not have brought him on knowing that they might have to engineer a drop goal / 3 point situation?

The only slight issue with that analysis is that Henry was not on the bench, he was injured. Hart was on the bench and I don't think he would have added much to the situation.

I agree though that HP may well have steadied the ship had he been available and would have likely seen the DG opportunity which Price did not. Still he will learn from that, an expensive lesson!

by IanBru Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:33 am

Pyrgos was, unfortunately, a member of our long line of injuries, so Grayson Hart (the only player to leave Edinburgh and cause them to play better) was on the bench.

by IanBru Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:33 am

Yeah, what he said.

by **RDW** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 10:34 am

BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:

Given that one of Pyrgos' main strengths is game management should Toony not have brought him on knowing that they might have to engineer a drop goal / 3 point situation?

The only slight issue with that analysis is that Henry was not on the bench, he was injured. Hart was on the bench and I don't think he would have added much to the situation.

I agree though that HP may well have steadied the ship had he been available and would have likely seen the DG opportunity which Price did not. Still he will learn from that, an expensive lesson!

Woops.

Well I agree then that Hart probably wouldn't have changed much!

by R!skysports Tue 17 Jan 2017, 11:31 am

Welly wrote: What do Glasgow expect the traveling fans numbers to be like.

Should be a massive game for you guys so hopefully a good turnout.

Me and the misses are heading up. She is a Leicester fans, so it could get awkward........

by funnyExiledScot Tue 17 Jan 2017, 11:49 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:

Given that one of Pyrgos' main strengths is game management should Toony not have brought him on knowing that they might have to engineer a drop goal / 3 point situation?

The only slight issue with that analysis is that Henry was not on the bench, he was injured. Hart was on the bench and I don't think he would have added much to the situation.

I agree though that HP may well have steadied the ship had he been available and would have likely seen the DG opportunity which Price did not. Still he will learn from that, an expensive lesson!

Woops.

Well I agree then that Hart probably wouldn't have changed much!

That's not entirely true. I'm sure he'd have started a fight or two, allowing Ryan Wilson to show how tough he is.

by tigertattie Tue 17 Jan 2017, 12:32 pm

Ryan is Wilson is soooo tough that he can punch a bag of chips to the other side of the kebab shop!

by MacKnocked-on Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:25 pm

From the short highlights of the Edinburgh game it looked like Toolis played well, surely he'll get in to the 6Ns squad ahead of Gilchrist. Actually Mackenzie should be ahead of GG as well currently.
Also Dell's run-in try was great, he would probably show some of our backs of yesteryear a clean pair of heels.

by **RDW** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 1:27 pm

Toolis has be a consistent top performer for Edinburgh for the last 2 seasons - if there are 4 locks chosen and he isn't one of them then it really will be a bit of a farce. VC has set the precedent over the last few seasons though so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he wasn't included.

I suspect Swinson will be the bench choice - I'd personally prefer Toolis but there can't be too many complaints given his form for Glasgow (even if I still have doubts that he is as effective at international level).

by Hazel Sapling Tue 17 Jan 2017, 2:10 pm

Swinson has been the clear number 3 lock for Scotland this season. Gilchrist plays better for country than for club and could do with a change of scenery.

As I have decided against going to Leicester this weekend (if we lose, I should probably not drive), I will show my dedication by making a thread.

https://www.606v2.com/t64939-leicester-vs-glasgow-1730-ko-saturday-21st-january-2017

by **RDW** Tue 17 Jan 2017, 5:58 pm

Nooooooooooooooo!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38654915

Sad

by jimbopip Tue 17 Jan 2017, 6:02 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Nooooooooooooooo!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38654915

As someone said when Bobby Moore retired, "I never thought he'd feel the need to retire. I mean it's not as if he lost his pace is it?"

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