Ongoing NFL Discussion Thread V

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 08 Jan 2017, 8:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Pr4wn wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Love this Texans D. They're amazing without Watt. Scary.

Amazing is a bit far - they're pretty good, nothing special.

Number one D in the NFL without their best player.

They're one of about 8 teams to hold that tag - and lets face it it's measured in yards...in points the #1 D was the Pats.

No great defences out there this year, just a lot of pretty good ones. If they had Watt, maybe they'd be great...but they don't

by Number-25 Thu 26 Apr 2018, 7:48 pm

No WRs will be drafted in the 1st round

by Number-25 Thu 26 Apr 2018, 7:54 pm

Within 15 minutes of the 1st round finishing, some idiot NFL analyst will have given a grade to each team's draft and will have predicted that Cleveland are now so loaded that they will be a contender for years to come.

by Number-25 Thu 26 Apr 2018, 9:51 pm

Am dreading the Redskins taking one of these big distinctly meh defensive linemen like Vea or Payne.

Vea will be a bust in the NFL.... book it.

by skins4ever Thu 26 Apr 2018, 11:05 pm

Number-25 wrote:Am dreading the Redskins taking one of these big distinctly meh defensive linemen like Vea or Payne.

Vea will be a bust in the NFL.... book it.

Not sure why you say that, but I have a feeling he'll be gone before we pick. Da'Ron Payne would then be on our board. I hope you are wrong as we desperately need a run stuffer in the middle and one of these two look like they fit the bill. I just pray they don't over reach for a WR when we have bigger needs (like CB).

by Number-25 Thu 26 Apr 2018, 11:26 pm

My ideal scenario would be one of the safeties falling to us... James won't but if the expected run on QBs happens and depending on what else happens, Fitzpatrick might. We've not had a decent Safety in years and it has hurt us over and over again.

We were doing ok against the run last year before Allen got injured. Of course we need to improve but from what I can gather about Vea is that he flashes elite sometimes and then for the rest of it is just another guy... don't want to waste a 1st round pick on someone that is going to go missing for ling spells.

Of the 2 d-linemen, I'd prefer Payne as he sounds a bit more consistent and a bit more likely to get to the QB as well as play the run well.

I'd prefer a guy though that would be a factor on 3 downs though like one of the DBs or LBs... but they'd need to slide. I might even prefer reaching for Hernandez the Guard to one od the D-Linemen... he sounds good and would fill a big need.

by Number-25 Fri 27 Apr 2018, 1:18 am

Mayfield........ Cleveland have done a Cleveland. Oh dear.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 27 Apr 2018, 1:58 am

Lol Buffalo

by Number-25 Fri 27 Apr 2018, 2:36 am

Payne... ugh

Best Safety in the draft is still sitting there and we reach for Payne... can always trust Bruce Allan to f it up.

by GSC Fri 27 Apr 2018, 7:07 am

Called it

by Lowlandbrit Fri 27 Apr 2018, 8:46 am

I don't mind the Mayfield pick for Cleveland. I think he probably would have been there at 4 too, but if you like him you might as well take him at 1. Should have traded down from 4 though, must have had offers.

Jackson to the Ravens is extremely interesting.

by JDizzle Fri 27 Apr 2018, 10:35 am

Seattle taking a RB is an interesting one. Spend all the resources you like, he won’t be good if your line is trash.

Love Derwin to the Chargers and the Bengals picking a C is the most Bengals thing ever.

by skins4ever Fri 27 Apr 2018, 11:49 am

I'm wondering if the Jets draft room were sitting there stunned when #3 came around. We all knew the Browns were going QB @1 and Giants would then probably take Barkley, but I can imaging someone at the Jets saying 'Darnold is still available?' Very Happy

A little surprised at the Browns reaching a little for Ward and can't help thinking the Cards were pleasantly surprised Rosen was still on the board.

Agree with JDizzle, Seahawks need an OL desperately. Wilson makes up for inadequacies in pass blocking, but without a running game teams can focus on him. And a star back with no blocking is not a star back!

Hoping 25 is wrong and Payne turns into a great pick (You can't run the football against him - Mike Mayock). Plus he and Allen were a partnership before which should only help speed up their development. I would have been sorely tempted to take Fitzpatrick if he hadn't gone to the Phins, but I think Payne offers more than James would at this point. I'm now hoping they get a DB within the next few picks and then RB and WR. Arguably we need to upgrade C and LG, but if we give Smith a deep threat to go downfield to and a good 4-5y a carry back, the offense should be fine; our issues on OL last year were more driven by injury than ability.

NB the Skins pick is just another example of how a teams division picks can influence each other. We already had to face Elliot and now Barkley twice a year. We HAVE to be able to stop the run to have a chance of winning the division. A smash mouth S would have been great, but if the failures in the trenches continued, James wouldn't make much difference.

by Lowlandbrit Fri 27 Apr 2018, 6:49 pm

JDizzle wrote:Seattle taking a RB is an interesting one.

Especially that one; Penny over Michel, Guice or Chubb? Although maybe they just thought he'd fit right in, since the main knock him seems to be that he's a terrible blocker.

Speaking of odd moves; what on earth were the Saints thinking?

by GSC Fri 27 Apr 2018, 8:09 pm

Saints are all in on winning a SB with Brees. Their defense folded badly once Okafor went down and they had 1 pass rusher. Now they cant use next years first as a bargaining piece to get his successor.

I don't hate a RB at 2 if hes a superstar, and by all accounts Barkley is a transcendant talent. But when you have a 37 year old QB who hasn't played like a top player in over half a decade now, and the 2nd worst OL in football, its a luxury pick. The Giants are acting like the 11-5 season is a real reflection of their roster, and not a pretty obvious anomaly in a string of below average years.

The Skins had to be tougher up front to match up with the Eagles and Cowboys. But unless Payne gives you something on passing downs, its hard to say it really moves the needle that much. You can find run stuffing specialists later.

Likewise for Dallas, they need lineman on either side.

Meanwhile the Eagles traded out as expected. They were never going to pick Guice at 32, they just don't value RBs that high, especially thumpers. They invest in their lines, and fielded a pretty effective run game with a vet they picked up in late summer, an undrafted FA and a guy the Dolphins gave them for a 4th. Saying that, Ronald Jones might be an option because they struggled to generate home run plays last year.

by Number-25 Fri 27 Apr 2018, 9:06 pm

GSC wrote:The Skins had to be tougher up front to match up with the Eagles and Cowboys. But unless Payne gives you something on passing downs, its hard to say it really moves the needle that much. You can find run stuffing specialists later.

Agree with this... if you’re picking a D-Lineman in the 1st round with the main intention of improving against the run then he better be able to rush the passer as well. Payne had just 3 sacks in his entire college career.... 3! If you can’t get one in the 1st that can rush the passer then wait until later... you can find a big guy to clog running lanes down in the 4th round. Add to this the fact that Payne is undersized for a NFL NT and the question mark that immediately puts over the likelihood of him being able to translate his college run stopping ability into the NFL and it just all adds up to a bad value pick borne out desperation to fill a need.... never a good draft strategy.

by GSC Sat 28 Apr 2018, 10:40 am

Like Goedert as a player and you have to have insurance for Zach Ertz when he misses his mandatory couple of games a year. But thats a little rich for my blood when you have 1 pick in the first 2 days.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 28 Apr 2018, 10:47 am

Pats went full Pats on day two there - lots of trades back and select a second round DB - at least this time Dawson looks good, and isn’t a special teams safety.

Bit weird that they essentially punted a 2nd this year for a 2nd next year.

by skins4ever Sat 28 Apr 2018, 10:48 am

Well rounds 2 & 3 in the bag and for me, I'm thinking this draft shapes up nicely so far for the Skins. I like the Payne pick, others don't and that's what it is, but getting Guice where he fell to is very good value for me. If he has off field issues (he's vehemently denying what's been said) it doesn't sound like they are anything the kid won't grow out of now he has a full time job. They have addressed 3 team needs already and its only day 2, and there are plenty of teams that have seemed to ignore their needs - I'm looking at you Seattle - so I'm happy to agree to disagree. For rounds 4-7 we really need to find some DB talent though.

Only downer for me so far is that the rest of the division seems to have done OK too, albeit I'm not sure the Eagles biggest need was another TE.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 28 Apr 2018, 10:52 am

Also have to laugh at Oakland who’ve saw how the Tom Cable OL experiment with draft picks worked in Seattle and went “let’s do that ourselves”

by Number-25 Sat 28 Apr 2018, 4:33 pm

For all I think we could have picked up someone later in the draft for the DL without too much of a drop off from Payne and maximised the value of our R1 pick with someone like James, I am pleased with the Redskins draft... Payne will do just fine I think but it's just a question of whether "fine" is enough for your 1st round pick. Getting Guice at the bottom of the 2nd and recouping the 3rd round pick we gave up in the Smith trade was really pleasing. I don't mind us taking a Tackle with that 3rd round pick... can never have too many linemen and injuries to that unit killed us last year.

by Number-25 Sat 28 Apr 2018, 9:52 pm

Redskins doubling down on strengthening the D-Line and trying to improve against the run.... Tim Settle in the 5th could be good value. Actually makes me feel better about the Payne pick.... opens the door to kicking Payne out to DE since Settle is bigger and maybe better suited to the NT role. Nice to finally have options on the D-Line... especially young options. Just hope it all works out!

by GSC Sat 28 Apr 2018, 11:10 pm

And we drafted an australian rugby player for some reason.

Through a combination of winning the SB and having like 5 picks its a good thing I never spent much time on this draft.

by skins4ever Sun 29 Apr 2018, 1:48 pm

Number-25 wrote:Redskins doubling down on strengthening the D-Line and trying to improve against the run.... Tim Settle in the 5th could be good value. Actually makes me feel better about the Payne pick.... opens the door to kicking Payne out to DE since Settle is bigger and maybe better suited to the NT role. Nice to finally have options on the D-Line... especially young options. Just hope it all works out!

Agreed. Some are saying Settle can start at NT, and that gives us the flex of having Allen and Payne as ends on 1st 2 downs, putting Payne in as nose on 2nd and long, Allen and Payne as 3 and 4 or 4i techs and Kerrigan and Smith at end on passing downs. Plus we have guys coming back from injury to add to the rotation. Key is stopping the run, and then having enough of a pass rush to help the DB's out. Plus we picked up guys that an contribute in the secondary.

Only downer I have is we didn't find a fresh #1 WR. Quinn could make the squad as a Wes Welker/Julian Edelman type in the slot. He's not a deep threat but he runs crisp ankle breaking routes that get him open quick underneath. Having him in the slot with Reed at TE and Crowder/Richardson/Doctson outside may not lead to a ton of big plays, but it gives us the ability to whittle away at a D with 5-10y completions. I'd stiull ike to have someone who can take the top off a D. Headscratch

by skins4ever Sun 29 Apr 2018, 1:49 pm

GSC wrote:And we drafted an australian rugby player for some reason.

Through a combination of winning the SB and having like 5 picks its a good thing I never spent much time on this draft.

In hindsight you could say the 1st pick is genius. You get the best TE in the draft to compliment Ertz, you take him out from under the nose of the Cowboys just after Witten retires and best of all he's called Dallas! Whistle

by GSC Sun 29 Apr 2018, 1:52 pm

Dallas weren't going to take him, but NE probably were

by GSC Sun 29 Apr 2018, 1:53 pm

I don't hate the player by any means and he should be an upgrade on Celek and Burton eventually. But a 2nd rounder for a 2nd TE is rich for my blood

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 29 Apr 2018, 2:33 pm

Pretty classic Pats draft - lots of high character, big school players who were decent value early, lots of moving around to collect picks for a crapshoot in the later round - I think Christian Sam will be a good player, Dan Etling is most definitely not

Lots of picks collected for next year - expect Belichick to trade a few for some veterans mid season as per usual

by JDizzle Sun 29 Apr 2018, 3:18 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pretty classic Pats draft - lots of high character, big school players who were decent value early, lots of moving around to collect picks for a crapshoot in the later round - I think Christian Sam will be a good player, Dan Etling is most definitely not

Lots of picks collected for next year - expect Belichick to trade a few for some veterans mid season as per usual

+ a short, white wide receiver. Vintage.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 29 Apr 2018, 3:44 pm

JDizzle wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Pretty classic Pats draft - lots of high character, big school players who were decent value early, lots of moving around to collect picks for a crapshoot in the later round - I think Christian Sam will be a good player, Dan Etling is most definitely not

Lots of picks collected for next year - expect Belichick to trade a few for some veterans mid season as per usual

+ a short, white wide receiver. Vintage.

Oh god yeah - Berrios might as well have not entered the draft and just headed straight for Gillette

by Lowlandbrit Mon 30 Apr 2018, 6:57 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:I don't mind the Mayfield pick for Cleveland. I think he probably would have been there at 4 too, but if you like him you might as well take him at 1.

So much for that; judging by a bunch of post draft interviews just about everyone seems to have had Mayfield at the top of their board.

by GSC Mon 30 Apr 2018, 9:17 pm

Theres is 0 logic that makes sense for waiting until for 4 for Mayfield if you like him enough to pick him there above all other QBs.

by **Pr4wn** Wed 02 May 2018, 7:59 pm

Stay classy, Mr Snyder.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html

by GSC Thu 03 May 2018, 3:47 pm

Jason Witten retires to join Joe Thomas in the hall of greats that had completely pointless careers.

by skins4ever Fri 04 May 2018, 11:09 am

Pr4wn wrote:Stay classy, Mr Snyder.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html

No idea of the truth of it, but official response is that when the team spoke to the ladies involved, they got completely different accounts. Is this a non-story from some disgruntled former employees, or a nasty tip of the iceberg? Headscratch

by skins4ever Fri 04 May 2018, 11:10 am

GSC wrote:Jason Witten retires to join Joe Thomas in the hall of greats that had completely pointless careers.

Ouch. Harsh. But true Very Happy

by Lowlandbrit Thu 17 May 2018, 2:40 pm

Browns are your Hard Knocks team this year. Should be interesting, certainly no shortage of potential storylines.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 18 May 2018, 9:53 am

Absolutely magnificent scenes. Hue Jackson will be painful yet funny to watch

by Number-25 Wed 23 May 2018, 8:30 pm

NFL teams to be fined if players kneel during the national anthem... the land of the not so free.

by **Pr4wn** Thu 24 May 2018, 1:48 pm

Directly infringing on the first amendment rights of the players. Nice.

by skins4ever Tue 05 Jun 2018, 10:14 pm

Sad news Dwight Clark passing away Crying or Very sad

by BamBam Mon 11 Jun 2018, 9:32 pm

Would anyone be interested in taking over a team in the dynasty fantasy league on here? This will be the 3rd season, we're currently running an off season auction on players available on waivers after each team had to cut down to 18 players earlier in the season

It's a strong squad, finished in the playoffs in both seasons, star players include Kareem Hunt, David Johnson and Drew Brees, with incoming rookie Ronald Jones the first round draft choice

Let me know or post on the main dynasty thread if interested

by **Pr4wn** Tue 12 Jun 2018, 2:07 pm

I had a great draft, I think. Some very strong youngsters in there.

On a side note, is anyone else going to take it easy with the NFL this year? I've decided to not watch at all until the league stops restricting its players rights. the NFL has shown its worst side this offseason.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 12 Jun 2018, 2:57 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I had a great draft, I think. Some very strong youngsters in there.

On a side note, is anyone else going to take it easy with the NFL this year? I've decided to not watch at all until the league stops restricting its players rights. the NFL has shown its worst side this offseason.

Not for me - it's been like this for a while and I am just trying to enjoy the sport and team building aspects of it, rather than what the NFL stands for (tbh I am trying not to let the mess that is US Politics take over my life, cos it could easily!)

does seem a tad strange to me that this off season is the straw that broke the camels for you Pr4wn, was it the rule brought in after the owners meetings that did it?

by **Pr4wn** Tue 12 Jun 2018, 3:00 pm

Forcing the players to stand for the anthem and, in doing that, giving in to the very worst areas of US society.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 26 Jun 2018, 8:37 am

Pr4wn clearly saw this Winston suspension coming

by Lowlandbrit Mon 23 Jul 2018, 12:55 pm

Vikings OL coach, and former Dolphins and (interim) Raiders HC, Tony Sparano has died aged 56.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 03 Aug 2018, 9:33 am

If you thought last season was poorly officiated, you'd better buckle up for this season...

The new leading with the head rule is utterly ridiculous if its going to be officiated like it was last night - basically you cannot tackle anymore. Just let the receiver catch it and two hand touch

by Number-25 Fri 10 Aug 2018, 10:18 pm

There I was about an hout ago all ready to hit the button to sign up to NFL Gamepass again after a couple of years away from it.... got sidetracked by something else and then went back to NFL website again and saw that Derrius Guice is done for the season with a torn ACL. Can't help but laugh... it's going to be another of those crappy Redskins seasons by the look of it so am going to save my money and bin off Gamepass again... glad I didn't press that button earlier!

They're cursed I tell you.

by skins4ever Fri 17 Aug 2018, 3:02 pm

Number-25 wrote:There I was about an hout ago all ready to hit the button to sign up to NFL Gamepass again after a couple of years away from it.... got sidetracked by something else and then went back to NFL website again and saw that Derrius Guice is done for the season with a torn ACL. Can't help but laugh... it's going to be another of those crappy Redskins seasons by the look of it so am going to save my money and bin off Gamepass again... glad I didn't press that button earlier!

They're cursed I tell you.

I was away sat in the sun enjoying myself and checked the result. Boy, way to bring a man down Sad

Word is he injured it in college and they never fixed it, so this was an accident waiting to happen. Wonder if it was a factor in him dropping down the draft?

Ah well, in Rob Kelley we trust...

by Number-25 Sat 18 Aug 2018, 11:07 pm

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