6N 2017: England vs Scotland (take 2)

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ENGLAND v SCOTLAND
Saturday 10th March
16:00 GMT
Twickenham Stadium

Live on ITV, RTE, FR2, DMAX

Referee - Matthieu Raynal
AR1 - Romain Poite
AR2 - Marius Mitrea
TMO - Ben Skeen

A. Head to Head

134 Played 134
74 Won 42
18 Drawn 18
42 Lost 74
1,562 Points 1,141

B. Recent Form

6 February 2016
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 15 to England

14 March 2015
Twickenham, London
25 – 13 to England

8 February 2014
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
0 – 20 to England

2 February 2013
Twickenham, London
38 – 18 to England

4 February 2012
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 13 to England

C. Teams

ENGLAND


Starting XV:

15. Mike Brown (vice captain, Harlequins, 58 caps), 14. Jack Nowell  (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps), 13. Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 31 caps), 12. Owen Farrell (vice captain, Saracens, 50 caps), 11. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 11 caps), 10. George Ford (Bath Rugby, 33 caps), 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 68 caps), 1. Joe Marler (Harlequins, 49 caps), 2. Dylan Hartley (captain, Northampton Saints, 82 caps), 3. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 72 caps), 4. Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 40 caps) , 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 56 caps), 6. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 10 caps), 7. James Haskell (Wasps, 73 caps) , 8. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 6 caps).

Finishers

16. Jamie George (Saracens, 15 caps), 17. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 40 caps), 18. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 6 caps), 19. Tom Wood (Northampton Saints, 48 caps), 20. Billy Vunipola (vice captain, Saracens 32 caps), 21. Danny Care (Harlequins, 69 caps), 22. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 6 caps), 23. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 24 caps).

SCOTLAND


Starting XV

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 51 caps; 16 tries, 3 pens, 89 points
14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps; 15 tries, 75 points
13. Huw Jones (Stormers) – 6 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps; 6 tries, 30 points
11. Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 29 caps; 12 tries, 60 points
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 5 cons, 8 pens, 44 points
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 3 caps

1. Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) – 22 caps
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 23 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
4. Richie Gray (Toulouse) – 63 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 31 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 58 caps; 4 tries, 20 points
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 8 caps; 1 try, 5 points
8. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps

Substitutes:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 105 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 6 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps; 1 try, 5 points
20. Cornell Du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 4 tries, 3 pens, 29 points
22. Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby) – 25 caps; 2 tries, 7 cons, 10 pens, 1 drop, 57 points
23. Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps; 6 tries, 30 points

If not, why not?

Rugbyjk wrote:Is impartial gatland there??

No point after last nights game he filled 12 starting places!

TightHEAD wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:I think another sort of head would be more applicable for your name, Tight.

Joseph is playing an absolute blinder. What has happened to the Scottish defence? They are getting ripped apart off the first phase.

Teacher?

Lol.

Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

Games up, the Socks only want to fight now.

nathan wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

tigert!ttie wrote:He didn't go above the horizontal. He landed on his arse

Upper back. Wait for half time replay.

There's no point. It's was a clear as day yellow but he won't have it.

It was accidental but I suspect what caused the most damage was Brown's head smacking into Daly's after he hit the ground.

Daly was picked up and dumped. No problems with the yellow and glad for the sake of the game it wasn't red. It has nothing to do with how Scotland are getting smashed here

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

?

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

Hogg's off with a head injury. Not sure what it was but suspect it was a collision with one of the Grays on the touchline.

Still can't work out how throw to someone that doesn't move can be straight ...

Time's up, Surely it would have been better to try some special move - which might be needed in a tighter circumstances - than test Farrell's leg on a long kick. Field position meant that Scotland would not have had many counter-attacking threats if they had won a turnover, and probably would have looked to end the half, rather than run from deep.

England looking absolutely devastating here. Poor Scotland, losing Hogg and Bennett means we are now out of this. Poor Ali Price is getting his wing bombed with high balls.

Tremendous predatory playing from England. Gutted.

Good effort - Shame Daly is off as he might have made that kick

All the hype from the autumn for huw jones has clearly been overdone. He's getting schooled by Joseph.

England well in command in the first half.

2 lovely tries by joseph and the last try by Watson. Whu sooth as silk.

More of the same in the second half please.

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

.5 is sheer class. Has to be on the plane.

Just a note on Farrell - I think we are lucky the injury is on his non kicking leg. If it was the other one maybe he would not have been here. He's been very good though

TightHEAD wrote:Resting JJ against Italy was a genius call from Jones

Also a kick up the backside. Got Joseph looking over his shoulder and thinking he needs a big game to keep his shirt. The old Eddie mind games again.

No point Gatland being at Twickenham. He's never going to consider Ford slicing the Scotland defence apart with those delayed passes as for him Ford won't be big enough.

This is the England that we hoped to see, glimpsed odd 5-10 minute spells, but so far a full 40.

Thought the yellow might be red, not only dangerous, but late as well, he could have pulled out of the full tackle.


Ford, Farrell, Joseph just unbelievable.

trebellbobaggins wrote:

glamorganalun wrote:Hammering coming up with Hogg at FB, there is no second line of defence unlike Halfpenny for Wales.

.5 is sheer class. Has to be on the plane.

Hes a very committed and brave player, and of course there is the kicking, but he offers very little threat in attack

If this keeps up in the 2nd half we should think about joining the rugby championship!

Not sure which I dislike the most though, BBC's commentary team and pundits or the adverts

Really tough with the injuries on both sides though.

Have to point out the difference Haskell makes, he beasts the contact area and really helps us get quick ball, gives Ford and Youngs the space to operate and open up gaps for JJ.

Does this mean Daly's unavailable next week?

This is probably the best half of Rugby England have played against a quality opponent under Eddie Jones.

mid_gen wrote:Have to point out the difference Haskell makes, he beasts the contact area and really helps us get quick ball, gives Ford and Youngs the space to operate and open up gaps for JJ.

totally agree.

Not sure - didn't he come back after his HIA before going off again?

Is Gatland really not there, shocking! If true

doctor_grey wrote:This is probably the best half of Rugby England have played against a quality opponent under Eddie Jones.

If it qualifies, it might be 

Rugbyjk wrote:Does this mean Daly's unavailable next week?

Not sure, Doc might know.

Presumably he passed the HIA, so it must have been his call to go off.

The loss of Hogg and Bennett has absolutely ruined us we have a scrum half on the wing, England are ruthlessly exploiting it. Full credit, they are 100 % worth that lead.

Rugbyjk wrote:Does this mean Daly's unavailable next week?

Depends. The fact that he came back on the pitch at all suggests it wasn't a head injury that forced him to leave. Might be neck/shoulder who knows. The way he was dumped didn't look good.

Still - its tough for Scotland that we get to replace Daly with Watson

Scottrf wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:This is probably the best half of Rugby England have played against a quality opponent under Eddie Jones.

If it qualifies, it might be 

Not that I want to jinx anything mind.

Going to be a good second half. This potentially world class Scottish team will surely not lie down.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:The loss of Hogg and Bennett has absolutely ruined us we have a scrum half on the wing, England are ruthlessly exploiting it. Full credit, they are 100 % worth that lead.

Scotland have been unlucky with injuries to key positions but the tries are coming through the middle.

nathan wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

tigert!ttie wrote:Yellow? For that? Rugby really is going soft

Absolutely agree with that. Tackle was copybook and there's no way you can expect the player to control the ball carriers momentum from there. Players are going to start getting confused when the way they get taught all their lives is going to be carded. No way he could have adjusted mid air on that tackle, meaning, as tiger says, he needed to apply a softer approach to do so. 'Tackle hard....but perhaps not that hard'...soft.

He went above the horizontal, how on earth is the fact that's a yellow a surprise to anyone?

Didn't say it was a surprise, said it was soft. And it was.

mid_gen wrote:Have to point out the difference Haskell makes, he beasts the contact area and really helps us get quick ball, gives Ford and Youngs the space to operate and open up gaps for JJ.

Front foot ball makes a huge difference. Haskell is a big part of England getting it and Scotland being denied it.

trebellbobaggins wrote:Going to be a good second half.  This potentially world class Scottish team will surely not lie down.

Potentially world class teams tend to tackle. We are awful today

Joseph so so sharp

yeah.. Scotland have been outplayed today. What changed since last week? have England stepped up?

Hatrick for JJ - fandabidosie

This is awesome, just hope we keep some back for next week.

When do we deploy our world class bench?

I just hope we can remain focused with all the changes that are sure to come.

Taylorman wrote:

nathan wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

tigert!ttie wrote:Yellow? For that? Rugby really is going soft

Absolutely agree with that. Tackle was copybook and there's no way you can expect the player to control the ball carriers momentum from there. Players are going to start getting confused when the way they get taught all their lives is going to be carded. No way he could have adjusted mid air on that tackle, meaning, as tiger says, he needed to apply a softer approach to do so. 'Tackle hard....but perhaps not that hard'...soft.

He went above the horizontal, how on earth is the fact that's a yellow a surprise to anyone?

Didn't say it was a surprise, said it was soft. And it was.

I don't think Daly thought it was soft

Nothing in that

Nothing wrong with that at all, no football acting please.

Absolute joke

Dangerous hit by Hughes?

Are you kidding?

how is that yellow?