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Post by Mr Bounce on Fri 18 Aug 2017, 6:20 pm

Strange how this one has slipped under the radar - both unbeaten, for ALL 4 belts at 140lbs and one of the more exciting US champs, yet nobody seems to care. Shame really, as I really rate Crawford.

I think it's extremely unlikely that Indongo will win this, but he is awkward and is used to fighting away from home, capturing both of his belts away. Both have beaten Burns, Indongo more convincingly, although his fight was against a more "shopworn" Ricky. It's Bud's fight to lose I believe, although I think that Julius will make it at least a bit competitive. I reckon it'll be a UD for Crawford by 3-4 rounds. Either that or a strange finish with an injury.

This fight holds far more interest for me than the "fight" that's happening next weekend.

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Post by TheSquaredCircle on Fri 18 Aug 2017, 8:32 pm

I don't think it's gone under the radar. It's come at a time when ppl are more fixated on the other fight. And times are such that people will find boxers like Crawford a bit of a bore. Shame really as he is probably pound for pound top 5 at the moment and this fight is better matched and more intriguing than the other.

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Post by quentins_monkey on Sat 19 Aug 2017, 5:18 am

This is definitely one of the more intriguing fights of the year - from the photos Indongo looks the bigger bloke but have always been impressed with Crawford and think he's one of the better fighters currently operating - both seem sturdy so can't see a stoppage so smart money would be on a Crawford UD...

It's refreshing to see two guys at the top of their division and in their primes battling for all the spoils - more fights like this need to happen

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Post by 88Chris05 on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 9:55 am

A procession for Crawford as he takes home all the baubles at 140. The gulf in class was apparent right from the opening bell.

Don't think Indongo hit Crawford with a single shot of consequence, and while I think Crawford doesn't go to the body often enough, when he does choose to do so he really makes it count. That gut shot near the end of the second looked like it almost cut Indongo in half and it was no surprise that he was down and out the next time Crawford hit him with anything half-decent.

Hardly a ground-breaking opinion, I know, but if it ain't Mikey Garcia next then there's really no reason for Crawford to stay at 140 at any longer. He's clearly one of the best in the world right now, pound for pound. But if he can go to Welterweight and take someone like Thurman or Spence's belt and '0', then he could stake a serious claim to being top dog. He's good enough, make no mistake about that. Whatever he decides to do, let's just enjoy having a properly unified, undisputed champion, something which we don't see enough of.
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Post by Mr Bounce on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 11:50 am

It seemed he barely broke sweat. Some fighters, they just "know" when fighting in a big title unification where both are unbeaten - like Calzaghe against Lacey or Mayweather against Corrales. There was a gulf in class.

Crawford certainly has the tools to be the top dog. I really think he can get there. He certainly doesn't seem to want to duck anyone. Here's hoping that he gets the chance to fight the best challengers, constantly, and that boxing's politics don't start losing him the belts he rightfully owns. They surely have to make the Garcia fight?

Indongo showed he's a class act out of the ring by admitting he "Clearly lost to one of the best".

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 12:10 pm

Crawford did the business in the style a top 3 p4p should

He kept indongo off balance the whole night and found the perfect shot to finish it

Very impressive

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Post by AdamT on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 12:35 pm

Just seen the fight. Crawford always impresses me.

Boxing Is perhaps lacking a current 'superstar', but it's in a healthy state with talent.

Joshua, Ward, Kovalev, GGG, Canelo, Thuman, Spence, Crawford, Garia, Lomachenko, Rigondeaux to name a few.


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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 12:45 pm

Didn't see the fight but shame Crawford won't get the Pacquaio fight because he deserves it as much as anyone else right now

Stage would have been set perfectly Crawford best light welter in world(unless Mikey Garcia has something to say about that) Pacquaio still best at 140 still unbeatable at 140???

If Pacquaio doesn't fight Crawford or Spence or Thurman after this Horn rematch then the networks really should question whether they really want to broadcast any future Pacquaio fights

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 1:00 pm

Would like to see Crawford stay at 140 though for a a few more fights show some dominance at the weight

Aren't there a couple of decent challengers now haven't seen them but Lipinets and Prograis and it hasn't exactly been a strong division the last couple of years 140 so yes he's unified but not beating that much in doing so?

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Post by AdamT on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 1:05 pm

If Pac hadn't lost to Horn. Crawford would have too much now. Though it would be a nice pay day for him.

I think Manny will retire after Horn rematch.

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Post by Atila on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 1:32 pm

Congrats to Crawford. A genuine, undisputed world champ. I wonder how long it will last before he's stripped of a belt?

I don't particularly want to see him fight Pacquiao. We are all pretty sure who would win that fight so from a sporting view, what's the point?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 3:08 pm

We know who would win out of Ward and Stevenson but we still want to see it:

http://www.boxingscene.com/video-andre-ward-talks-crawford-kovalev-stevenson-more--119665

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Post by LionsV2 on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 5:34 pm

First man in 13 years to fully unify a division, can't argue with that.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 6:22 pm

It would happen more often if they would actually fight each more often

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Post by Atila on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 6:23 pm

Ward v Stevenson is a unification. It actually serves a bit of purpose and I can't see it being the certainty that Pacquiao v Crawford would be.

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Post by catchweight on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 6:37 pm

It cost Crawford and Indongo 100k each in sactioning fees or about 12% of the purse to have all titles up for grabs. No wonder it doesnt happen very often.

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Post by AdamT on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 6:59 pm

Who was the last to unify all four belts?

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Post by AdamT on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 7:00 pm

I'm going to guess Hopkins, but probably way off.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 7:11 pm

Atila wrote:Ward v Stevenson is a unification. It actually serves a bit of purpose and I can't see it being the certainty that Pacquiao v Crawford would be.

You're probably right it's not a certain Ward win

The question is will we get to see it Stevenson seemed very keen on the Ward/Kovalev winner in lead up to Stevenson's last fight but in that interview Ward was suggesting there's been no contact? Surely Stevenson isn't going to do it again?

Crawford against Pacquaio would be good but Crawford against either Spence or Thurman would be better at this point

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Post by LionsV2 on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 8:59 pm

AdamT wrote:I'm going to guess Hopkins, but probably way off.

Until yesterday he and Taylor were the only boxers to hold all four major titles simultaneously; Calzaghe was the only other to have won all four but not concurrently, I believe.

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Post by milkyboy on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 9:08 pm

Crawford is a class operator and congrats to him for owning all 4 belts but man it's a sh*t division... indongo is the Carlos maussa of his day.

Now Crawford Garcia would be a fight... but Crawford would have natural size advantage. If he goes to welter there's some good fights there which will show his true level.

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Post by Atila on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 10:33 pm

milkyboy wrote:Crawford is a class operator and congrats to him for owning all 4 belts but man it's a sh*t division... indongo is the Carlos maussa of his day.

Now Crawford Garcia would be a fight... but Crawford would have natural size advantage. If he goes to welter there's some good fights there which will show his true level.
Maussa was an all time great when Hatton beat him. Very Happy

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Post by catchweight on Sun 20 Aug 2017, 10:56 pm

There are too many divisions, especially in the lower weight classes. It diltues the talent and waters down the divisions.

The 140 division has had some good fighters but generally been the B league to the 147lb division.

Crawford should graduate up to the big league now.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:28 am

Crawford has definitely shown that he wouldn't be out of place in the welterweight division he'll be a very skilful addition to the division it's the size thing that  makes it interesting he can probably beat most of them bar the top two three or four if he became number one welterweight then you'd have to call him the real deal. Long way to go though especially if he don't have Tony Weeks to help him out

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Post by LionsV2 on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:31 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:Crawford has definitely shown that he wouldn't be out of place in the welterweight division he'll be a very skilful addition to the division it's the size thing that  makes it interesting he can probably beat most of them bar the top two three or four if he became number one welterweight then you'd have to call him the real deal. Long way to go though especially if he don't have Tony Weeks to help him out
What?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:36 am

Weeks was spoiling Postol's work on the inside(where Postol would obviously be at his most dangerous very much like Hatton with Cortez) I'd thought we'd gone through this already

C'mon try to keep up

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Post by LionsV2 on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:37 am

I lose track of all your complaining, just another excuse for a Eastern European losing to an American.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:39 am

What the f£k do I care if a Eastern European loses to an American?

You've really lost me now

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Post by AdamT on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:45 am

I think Crawford is most certainly the real deal Herman.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:51 am

Well Adam, he really needs to beat a Spence or a Thurman before you can say that I guess

Maybe start off against Porter then followed by Matthyssse before a crack at a title

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Post by AdamT on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:55 am

Herman you're a hard man to please.

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Post by AdamT on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:55 am

You do realise Crawford has done more than Kovalev?(mentioned him, because know you're a fan)

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:58 am

Very debatable Adam, very debatable

I'm a fan of a lot of boxers though so don't see your point on Kovalev

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Post by AdamT on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 9:59 am

My point is, if Crawford hasn't proved himself, then Kovalev most certainly hasn't.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 10:01 am

I didn't say that Crawford hasn't proved himself though you're distorting my words

I said that Crawford has definitely proved he's worthy of a crack at the welterweight title

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Post by AdamT on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 10:02 am

Obviously he is worthy! He is one of the best p4p fighters on the planet and 140lb king!

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 10:04 am

Being 140lb king is one thing

Conquering the welterweight division is a different matter entirely!

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Post by AdamT on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 10:05 am

I would make him favourite over everyone bar Spence.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 10:13 am

I'd make Thurman favourite to beat Spence if Errol boxes like he did the first half his fight with Brook

Crawford against either two good fights I think

Like to see Crawford in with a bigger guy who could really bust him up two as I mentioned Porter or Lucas even Danny

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 21 Aug 2017, 12:05 pm

Reminded me of Curry v McCrory...Indongo didn't fancy it and it was Amateur night...Like McCrory lots of over reaching with meaningless punches and when you over reach you stay in range longer.

Seemed relieved when it was over..

Crawford was professional and is very talented.

Damp squib though.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Sat 02 Sep 2017, 10:39 am

Well that lasted a long time... Crawford has already ditched the IBF belt due to their insistence on him facing their mandatory within 90 days. "Thanks, but no thanks" says Crawford. Rumours are he's moving up...

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/20508570/terence-crawford-vacated-ibf-version-junior-welterweight-world-title

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Post by 3fingers on Sat 02 Sep 2017, 11:05 pm

Poor Terence. How dare anyone expect him to fight in three months time. Three fights in year? It's more than unreasonable, it's disgusting.

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