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Post by Brendan on Wed 02 Dec 2020, 1:43 pm

Agree on the championship, with that all but gone adding in all the SA players filling spots in the Premership it will be hard to get jobs as it might have been 10 years ago.

Think some of the Irish players might end up in the other pro14 squads. Ealing might also be looking for a Premership squad so might be a saving grace.

Someone like Sexton if let go will retire as he isn't worth the money he would want.

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Post by Pot Hale on Wed 02 Dec 2020, 1:48 pm

From Gordon Darcy in The Irish Times today:

Amidst the euphoria of beating the All Blacks in Chicago four years ago, David Nucifora might well have glanced down from Trump Tower at the alchemy Theo Epstein had conjured for The Cubs and thought: ‘I can achieve something similar with Irish rugby.’

The World Series is a lofty ambition but over that heady weekend in 2016 anything seemed possible.
Epstein – who also removed ‘Curse of the Bambino’ hanging over The Boston Red Sox – recently walked away from Chicago, nine years into an executive role that he believes should never exceed a decade.
“It became really clear that we’d be facing some significant long-term decisions this winter, decisions with long-term impacts,’’ Epstein explained. “Those types of decisions are really best made by somebody who’s going to be here for a long time, not just for one more year. Jed Hoyer clearly is that person.’’
The cleanest of transition allows the 46-year-old Epstein to leave a stunning legacy of high performance in baseball.

Six years ago Nucifora arrived on Lansdowne Road, into a position essentially created to suit his expertise as an overseer of the island’s professional structures, with a plan to apply to Irish rugby what sort of worked in Australia and New Zealand.


There are way too many outstanding questions about what Nucifora is doing for Irish rugby’s long term future and his refusal to answer them this week should not be accepted by anyone who truly cares about the game.

Plenty of the issues evident in 2013 are still on the agenda.
What happened to plans to deliver a three-strong depth chart in every position, especially after Ireland were so badly exposed at the 2015 World Cup? Put it another way, why are injury numbers off the charts again?

The Monday press conference after playing Georgia was a strategic decision that backfired spectacularly.
Unbowed, the Sevens programme sounds like Nucifora’s solution to almost every problem. Hugo Keenan and Will Connors are the examples he rolled out but that suggests neither player would have come through the ranks regardless.

What’s happening with the club and school scene, David?
Answer: I am too busy running the professional game.
That alone should send alarm bells ringing through the grassroots.
Who has seen last year’s World Cup review, David?
Answer: “It was distributed to the people who needed to read it.”
Ok, who?
Answer: “People within Irish rugby who were going to benefit from it.”
If anyone has laid eyes on this sacred document, drop us an email (we are presuming it exists).
A media strategy that essentially sticks two fingers up at anyone who asks a question Nucifora does not have an answer to is bad business for everyone involved.

As much as Nucifora’s refusal to discuss player contracts with agents is about stark financial realities, it is also a negotiation tool
What about the “performance anxiety” cited as a major issue in Japan (and so obviously still in existence)?
Answer: “It has been addressed.”
No detail followed because Nucifora does not believe he is accountable to the Irish public. This is clear as day in his attitude.
What about France 2023, David, how do Ireland avoid being quarter-final cannon fodder yet again?
Answer: “As we get closer to 2023 I’ll come back to you and let you know what the score will be in the semi final.”
Is the World Cup semi-final still a goal?
Answer: “I’d like to get to the final.”
This was delivered with a laugh. Accountability has to matter.

The Nucifora plan to fill the power vacuum created by foreign players, CJ Stander and Bundee Aki in particular, now the recruitment via residency is over, remains very light on detail. Essentially, he is doubling down on the granny rule coupled with seeping Sevens rugby into GAA heartlands and untapped populations like west Dublin.

How exactly will this be done?
Answer: Introducing Sevens to schools “that don’t play rugby as a fixed sport.”
The areas and schools that will be targeted remain a mystery.
Maybe 2018 was as good as it is going to get
Nucifora answered the questions he felt like answering perhaps because he does not consider himself answerable to anyone, which begs the question: who in the IRFU does he report to and what are his key performance indicators?
People deserve to know.

Nucifora was hired as the panacea for professional issues beyond the scope of amateur committee men. The turkeys voted for Christmas but, right now, the former Wallaby hooker appears to be causing as many problems as he is solving.
What, for example, does success look like for him?
Maybe 2018 was as good as it is going to get. Maybe the Six Nations Grand Slam is Ireland’s world series of baseball because if we judge Nucifora’s tenure on World Cups, by his own yardstick, it has been a failure.
All of this makes me very worried for the long term future of Irish rugby as we enter a period where every decision will have a massive impact 10 years from now.
Epstein realised he was not the man to guide The Chicago Cubs out of the pandemic and into the great beyond. The media enquired about Nucifora’s plans for the future and he responded by showing everyone how evasive he can be on a Microsoft Teams call.

As much as Nucifora’s refusal to discuss player contracts with agents is about stark financial realities, it is also a negotiation tool. He is very skilled in this regard and deserves credit for keeping all the players Irish rugby needed – besides Simon Zebo and Donnacha Ryan who both decided to leave but can only be wondering how many caps they left on the table – but, currently, 50 per cent of the country’s playing staff have no financial security beyond July.

That’s a lot of stressed families at Christmas. It is also half our national squad heading into the 2021 Six Nations feeling like they are playing for their livelihood - never a wise means of motivation – while getting their agents to find viable alternatives abroad. Just in case.

The Ben Healy to Glasgow story is only the start of players reacting to Nucifora’s silence. Healy’s next contract should not be a negotiation, it must be an investment in his rare talent. Otherwise, the Scots will pull off the granny rule with a young Munster outhalf.
Pandemic or not, Healy needs to be paid to market value.

Nucifora either refused to provide a clear plan during Monday’s press conference or he doesn’t have one. To my mind, the first is equally as troubling as the second.
Where are we going David and are you coming with us?
Some clarity about the IRFU’s medium term plans would be a sign of actual leadership. So long as the public is denied access to stadiums the drain on finance will be immense but Nucifora, by denying supporters access to any sort of roadmap, is causing more harm than good.
Under his direction, the union decided to appoint the national coaching team via a continuity plan. Attack coach Mike Catt is the only person who entered the system from abroad and now we have the entire England coaching ticket from 2015 working with Ireland, Munster and Leinster.
Farrell is correct about Twickenham being a 'priceless' experience. Creativity under intense pressure is what great rugby teams are all about
Stuart Lancaster was proved a superb hire by Leo Cullen, who four years ago was the problem child for Nucifora as Pat Lam, Les Kiss and Rassie Erasmus appeared to be improving the other provinces. Nucifora was unable to retain two of the three and he took ruthless action with Les during a coordinated rebuilding process in Ulster.

In theory, coaching continuity makes sense. Doubts are beginning to be raised – Shane Horgan has made some cutting remarks – but there is no need to panic on this front just yet. Andy Farrell’s team of coaches will get a pass for the shambolic set piece, scrum and rucking throughout the Autumn Nations Cup if Scotland are overcome.
How many passes does Nucifora get? Four more years could leave Irish rugby in a deeper hole than before he landed.

The hardest thing to do in any walk of life is to admit that something is not working. The pressure on winning against Scotland this Saturday is immense, and that burden is shared across the whole group.
When we see Ireland’s attack reverting to lone rangers carrying ball into a wall of bigger defenders – be they English or Georgians – we can state with certainty that this team is in a deep transition. I wrote before about players needing to respond to cues and prompts under pressure, but the default actions from Joe Schmidt’s time are still visible.

Pace and tempo feel like the only way out of the current mess. The last few outings have looked like a ‘game play’ developed during lockdown that wasn’t fit for purpose inside the acid chamber of Twickenham.

I do not believe Andy Farrell has a single issue with communication so I am led to believe this new(ish) coaching team have designed the wrong tactical approach for the players at their disposal.
Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round

Farrell is correct about Twickenham being a “priceless” experience. Creativity under intense pressure is what great rugby teams are all about but if the coaches attempted to replicate Maro Itoje’s behaviour at training, a full blooded session would result in punches and injury.

Let’s put the best pack onto the field: Andrew Porter, Ronán Kelleher, Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Will Connors and Caelan Doris with Cian Healy, Ryan Baird and a fully charged Dan Leavy off the bench.

Ireland would be super mobile but still lightweight. I bet even that eight would struggle against England, France and Georgia under the current tactical approach.

Eddie Jones had Ireland sussed after scoring two tries off a counter attack and cross field kick. The rest of the match was Eddie laughing from the stand: ‘Here, scummy Irish, have the ball, Maro and the boys will hammer you backwards all day long.’

If the one off runners reappear against Scotland this Saturday then the coaches have got both the strategy and selection wrong. Now is the time to show some value from a marathon camp in Carton House (if those walls could talk). Fix the fundamentals before delivering a game with pace and tempo. Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round.
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Post by Pete330v2 on Wed 02 Dec 2020, 2:33 pm

Pot Hale wrote:From Gordon Darcy in The Irish Times today:

Amidst the euphoria of beating the All Blacks in Chicago four years ago, David Nucifora might well have glanced down from Trump Tower at the alchemy Theo Epstein had conjured for The Cubs and thought: ‘I can achieve something similar with Irish rugby.’

The World Series is a lofty ambition but over that heady weekend in 2016 anything seemed possible.
Epstein – who also removed ‘Curse of the Bambino’ hanging over The Boston Red Sox – recently walked away from Chicago, nine years into an executive role that he believes should never exceed a decade.
“It became really clear that we’d be facing some significant long-term decisions this winter, decisions with long-term impacts,’’ Epstein explained. “Those types of decisions are really best made by somebody who’s going to be here for a long time, not just for one more year. Jed Hoyer clearly is that person.’’
The cleanest of transition allows the 46-year-old Epstein to leave a stunning legacy of high performance in baseball.

Six years ago Nucifora arrived on Lansdowne Road, into a position essentially created to suit his expertise as an overseer of the island’s professional structures, with a plan to apply to Irish rugby what sort of worked in Australia and New Zealand.


There are way too many outstanding questions about what Nucifora is doing for Irish rugby’s long term future and his refusal to answer them this week should not be accepted by anyone who truly cares about the game.

Plenty of the issues evident in 2013 are still on the agenda.
What happened to plans to deliver a three-strong depth chart in every position, especially after Ireland were so badly exposed at the 2015 World Cup? Put it another way, why are injury numbers off the charts again?
 
The Monday press conference after playing Georgia was a strategic decision that backfired spectacularly.
Unbowed, the Sevens programme sounds like Nucifora’s solution to almost every problem. Hugo Keenan and Will Connors are the examples he rolled out but that suggests neither player would have come through the ranks regardless.

What’s happening with the club and school scene, David?
Answer: I am too busy running the professional game.
That alone should send alarm bells ringing through the grassroots.
Who has seen last year’s World Cup review, David?
Answer: “It was distributed to the people who needed to read it.”
Ok, who?
Answer: “People within Irish rugby who were going to benefit from it.”
If anyone has laid eyes on this sacred document, drop us an email (we are presuming it exists).
A media strategy that essentially sticks two fingers up at anyone who asks a question Nucifora does not have an answer to is bad business for everyone involved.

As much as Nucifora’s refusal to discuss player contracts with agents is about stark financial realities, it is also a negotiation tool
What about the “performance anxiety” cited as a major issue in Japan (and so obviously still in existence)?
Answer: “It has been addressed.”
No detail followed because Nucifora does not believe he is accountable to the Irish public. This is clear as day in his attitude.
What about France 2023, David, how do Ireland avoid being quarter-final cannon fodder yet again?
Answer: “As we get closer to 2023 I’ll come back to you and let you know what the score will be in the semi final.”
Is the World Cup semi-final still a goal?
Answer: “I’d like to get to the final.”
This was delivered with a laugh. Accountability has to matter.

The Nucifora plan to fill the power vacuum created by foreign players, CJ Stander and Bundee Aki in particular, now the recruitment via residency is over, remains very light on detail. Essentially, he is doubling down on the granny rule coupled with seeping Sevens rugby into GAA heartlands and untapped populations like west Dublin.

How exactly will this be done?
Answer: Introducing Sevens to schools “that don’t play rugby as a fixed sport.”
The areas and schools that will be targeted remain a mystery.
Maybe 2018 was as good as it is going to get
Nucifora answered the questions he felt like answering perhaps because he does not consider himself answerable to anyone, which begs the question: who in the IRFU does he report to and what are his key performance indicators?
People deserve to know.

Nucifora was hired as the panacea for professional issues beyond the scope of amateur committee men. The turkeys voted for Christmas but, right now, the former Wallaby hooker appears to be causing as many problems as he is solving.
What, for example, does success look like for him?
Maybe 2018 was as good as it is going to get. Maybe the Six Nations Grand Slam is Ireland’s world series of baseball because if we judge Nucifora’s tenure on World Cups, by his own yardstick, it has been a failure.
All of this makes me very worried for the long term future of Irish rugby as we enter a period where every decision will have a massive impact 10 years from now.
Epstein realised he was not the man to guide The Chicago Cubs out of the pandemic and into the great beyond. The media enquired about Nucifora’s plans for the future and he responded by showing everyone how evasive he can be on a Microsoft Teams call.

As much as Nucifora’s refusal to discuss player contracts with agents is about stark financial realities, it is also a negotiation tool. He is very skilled in this regard and deserves credit for keeping all the players Irish rugby needed – besides Simon Zebo and Donnacha Ryan who both decided to leave but can only be wondering how many caps they left on the table – but, currently, 50 per cent of the country’s playing staff have no financial security beyond July.

That’s a lot of stressed families at Christmas. It is also half our national squad heading into the 2021 Six Nations feeling like they are playing for their livelihood - never a wise means of motivation – while getting their agents to find viable alternatives abroad. Just in case.

The Ben Healy to Glasgow story is only the start of players reacting to Nucifora’s silence. Healy’s next contract should not be a negotiation, it must be an investment in his rare talent. Otherwise, the Scots will pull off the granny rule with a young Munster outhalf.
Pandemic or not, Healy needs to be paid to market value.

Nucifora either refused to provide a clear plan during Monday’s press conference or he doesn’t have one. To my mind, the first is equally as troubling as the second.
Where are we going David and are you coming with us?
Some clarity about the IRFU’s medium term plans would be a sign of actual leadership. So long as the public is denied access to stadiums the drain on finance will be immense but Nucifora, by denying supporters access to any sort of roadmap, is causing more harm than good.
Under his direction, the union decided to appoint the national coaching team via a continuity plan. Attack coach Mike Catt is the only person who entered the system from abroad and now we have the entire England coaching ticket from 2015 working with Ireland, Munster and Leinster.
Farrell is correct about Twickenham being a 'priceless' experience. Creativity under intense pressure is what great rugby teams are all about
Stuart Lancaster was proved a superb hire by Leo Cullen, who four years ago was the problem child for Nucifora as Pat Lam, Les Kiss and Rassie Erasmus appeared to be improving the other provinces. Nucifora was unable to retain two of the three and he took ruthless action with Les during a coordinated rebuilding process in Ulster.

In theory, coaching continuity makes sense. Doubts are beginning to be raised – Shane Horgan has made some cutting remarks – but there is no need to panic on this front just yet. Andy Farrell’s team of coaches will get a pass for the shambolic set piece, scrum and rucking throughout the Autumn Nations Cup if Scotland are overcome.
How many passes does Nucifora get? Four more years could leave Irish rugby in a deeper hole than before he landed.

The hardest thing to do in any walk of life is to admit that something is not working. The pressure on winning against Scotland this Saturday is immense, and that burden is shared across the whole group.
When we see Ireland’s attack reverting to lone rangers carrying ball into a wall of bigger defenders – be they English or Georgians – we can state with certainty that this team is in a deep transition. I wrote before about players needing to respond to cues and prompts under pressure, but the default actions from Joe Schmidt’s time are still visible.

Pace and tempo feel like the only way out of the current mess. The last few outings have looked like a ‘game play’ developed during lockdown that wasn’t fit for purpose inside the acid chamber of Twickenham.

I do not believe Andy Farrell has a single issue with communication so I am led to believe this new(ish) coaching team have designed the wrong tactical approach for the players at their disposal.
Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round

Farrell is correct about Twickenham being a “priceless” experience. Creativity under intense pressure is what great rugby teams are all about but if the coaches attempted to replicate Maro Itoje’s behaviour at training, a full blooded session would result in punches and injury.

Let’s put the best pack onto the field: Andrew Porter, Ronán Kelleher, Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Will Connors and Caelan Doris with Cian Healy, Ryan Baird and a fully charged Dan Leavy off the bench.

Ireland would be super mobile but still lightweight. I bet even that eight would struggle against England, France and Georgia under the current tactical approach.

Eddie Jones had Ireland sussed after scoring two tries off a counter attack and cross field kick. The rest of the match was Eddie laughing from the stand: ‘Here, scummy Irish, have the ball, Maro and the boys will hammer you backwards all day long.’

If the one off runners reappear against Scotland this Saturday then the coaches have got both the strategy and selection wrong. Now is the time to show some value from a marathon camp in Carton House (if those walls could talk). Fix the fundamentals before delivering a game with pace and tempo. Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round.

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Post by Brendan on Wed 02 Dec 2020, 6:29 pm

Healy would be number 2 at Glasgow with a number one away at Scotland. At Munster is he ahead of Hanrahan, it's hard to say. If Munster see him as important he will be kept. If he needs to do some growing why not spend to years learning from Hastings.

There is alot of issues still to be resolved regards covid. I think it is a good idea to wait and see then commit to players and then have to do cost cutting in 6 months if it does go well

Also the Leinster System isn't known for its love of David

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 03 Dec 2020, 8:02 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:From Gordon Darcy in The Irish Times today:

Amidst the euphoria of beating the All Blacks in Chicago four years ago, David Nucifora might well have glanced down from Trump Tower at the alchemy Theo Epstein had conjured for The Cubs and thought: ‘I can achieve something similar with Irish rugby.’

The World Series is a lofty ambition but over that heady weekend in 2016 anything seemed possible.
Epstein – who also removed ‘Curse of the Bambino’ hanging over The Boston Red Sox – recently walked away from Chicago, nine years into an executive role that he believes should never exceed a decade.
“It became really clear that we’d be facing some significant long-term decisions this winter, decisions with long-term impacts,’’ Epstein explained. “Those types of decisions are really best made by somebody who’s going to be here for a long time, not just for one more year. Jed Hoyer clearly is that person.’’
The cleanest of transition allows the 46-year-old Epstein to leave a stunning legacy of high performance in baseball.

Six years ago Nucifora arrived on Lansdowne Road, into a position essentially created to suit his expertise as an overseer of the island’s professional structures, with a plan to apply to Irish rugby what sort of worked in Australia and New Zealand.


There are way too many outstanding questions about what Nucifora is doing for Irish rugby’s long term future and his refusal to answer them this week should not be accepted by anyone who truly cares about the game.

Plenty of the issues evident in 2013 are still on the agenda.
What happened to plans to deliver a three-strong depth chart in every position, especially after Ireland were so badly exposed at the 2015 World Cup? Put it another way, why are injury numbers off the charts again?
 
The Monday press conference after playing Georgia was a strategic decision that backfired spectacularly.
Unbowed, the Sevens programme sounds like Nucifora’s solution to almost every problem. Hugo Keenan and Will Connors are the examples he rolled out but that suggests neither player would have come through the ranks regardless.

What’s happening with the club and school scene, David?
Answer: I am too busy running the professional game.
That alone should send alarm bells ringing through the grassroots.
Who has seen last year’s World Cup review, David?
Answer: “It was distributed to the people who needed to read it.”
Ok, who?
Answer: “People within Irish rugby who were going to benefit from it.”
If anyone has laid eyes on this sacred document, drop us an email (we are presuming it exists).
A media strategy that essentially sticks two fingers up at anyone who asks a question Nucifora does not have an answer to is bad business for everyone involved.

As much as Nucifora’s refusal to discuss player contracts with agents is about stark financial realities, it is also a negotiation tool
What about the “performance anxiety” cited as a major issue in Japan (and so obviously still in existence)?
Answer: “It has been addressed.”
No detail followed because Nucifora does not believe he is accountable to the Irish public. This is clear as day in his attitude.
What about France 2023, David, how do Ireland avoid being quarter-final cannon fodder yet again?
Answer: “As we get closer to 2023 I’ll come back to you and let you know what the score will be in the semi final.”
Is the World Cup semi-final still a goal?
Answer: “I’d like to get to the final.”
This was delivered with a laugh. Accountability has to matter.

The Nucifora plan to fill the power vacuum created by foreign players, CJ Stander and Bundee Aki in particular, now the recruitment via residency is over, remains very light on detail. Essentially, he is doubling down on the granny rule coupled with seeping Sevens rugby into GAA heartlands and untapped populations like west Dublin.

How exactly will this be done?
Answer: Introducing Sevens to schools “that don’t play rugby as a fixed sport.”
The areas and schools that will be targeted remain a mystery.
Maybe 2018 was as good as it is going to get
Nucifora answered the questions he felt like answering perhaps because he does not consider himself answerable to anyone, which begs the question: who in the IRFU does he report to and what are his key performance indicators?
People deserve to know.

Nucifora was hired as the panacea for professional issues beyond the scope of amateur committee men. The turkeys voted for Christmas but, right now, the former Wallaby hooker appears to be causing as many problems as he is solving.
What, for example, does success look like for him?
Maybe 2018 was as good as it is going to get. Maybe the Six Nations Grand Slam is Ireland’s world series of baseball because if we judge Nucifora’s tenure on World Cups, by his own yardstick, it has been a failure.
All of this makes me very worried for the long term future of Irish rugby as we enter a period where every decision will have a massive impact 10 years from now.
Epstein realised he was not the man to guide The Chicago Cubs out of the pandemic and into the great beyond. The media enquired about Nucifora’s plans for the future and he responded by showing everyone how evasive he can be on a Microsoft Teams call.

As much as Nucifora’s refusal to discuss player contracts with agents is about stark financial realities, it is also a negotiation tool. He is very skilled in this regard and deserves credit for keeping all the players Irish rugby needed – besides Simon Zebo and Donnacha Ryan who both decided to leave but can only be wondering how many caps they left on the table – but, currently, 50 per cent of the country’s playing staff have no financial security beyond July.

That’s a lot of stressed families at Christmas. It is also half our national squad heading into the 2021 Six Nations feeling like they are playing for their livelihood - never a wise means of motivation – while getting their agents to find viable alternatives abroad. Just in case.

The Ben Healy to Glasgow story is only the start of players reacting to Nucifora’s silence. Healy’s next contract should not be a negotiation, it must be an investment in his rare talent. Otherwise, the Scots will pull off the granny rule with a young Munster outhalf.
Pandemic or not, Healy needs to be paid to market value.

Nucifora either refused to provide a clear plan during Monday’s press conference or he doesn’t have one. To my mind, the first is equally as troubling as the second.
Where are we going David and are you coming with us?
Some clarity about the IRFU’s medium term plans would be a sign of actual leadership. So long as the public is denied access to stadiums the drain on finance will be immense but Nucifora, by denying supporters access to any sort of roadmap, is causing more harm than good.
Under his direction, the union decided to appoint the national coaching team via a continuity plan. Attack coach Mike Catt is the only person who entered the system from abroad and now we have the entire England coaching ticket from 2015 working with Ireland, Munster and Leinster.
Farrell is correct about Twickenham being a 'priceless' experience. Creativity under intense pressure is what great rugby teams are all about
Stuart Lancaster was proved a superb hire by Leo Cullen, who four years ago was the problem child for Nucifora as Pat Lam, Les Kiss and Rassie Erasmus appeared to be improving the other provinces. Nucifora was unable to retain two of the three and he took ruthless action with Les during a coordinated rebuilding process in Ulster.

In theory, coaching continuity makes sense. Doubts are beginning to be raised – Shane Horgan has made some cutting remarks – but there is no need to panic on this front just yet. Andy Farrell’s team of coaches will get a pass for the shambolic set piece, scrum and rucking throughout the Autumn Nations Cup if Scotland are overcome.
How many passes does Nucifora get? Four more years could leave Irish rugby in a deeper hole than before he landed.

The hardest thing to do in any walk of life is to admit that something is not working. The pressure on winning against Scotland this Saturday is immense, and that burden is shared across the whole group.
When we see Ireland’s attack reverting to lone rangers carrying ball into a wall of bigger defenders – be they English or Georgians – we can state with certainty that this team is in a deep transition. I wrote before about players needing to respond to cues and prompts under pressure, but the default actions from Joe Schmidt’s time are still visible.

Pace and tempo feel like the only way out of the current mess. The last few outings have looked like a ‘game play’ developed during lockdown that wasn’t fit for purpose inside the acid chamber of Twickenham.

I do not believe Andy Farrell has a single issue with communication so I am led to believe this new(ish) coaching team have designed the wrong tactical approach for the players at their disposal.
Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round

Farrell is correct about Twickenham being a “priceless” experience. Creativity under intense pressure is what great rugby teams are all about but if the coaches attempted to replicate Maro Itoje’s behaviour at training, a full blooded session would result in punches and injury.

Let’s put the best pack onto the field: Andrew Porter, Ronán Kelleher, Tadhg Furlong, Iain Henderson, James Ryan, CJ Stander, Will Connors and Caelan Doris with Cian Healy, Ryan Baird and a fully charged Dan Leavy off the bench.

Ireland would be super mobile but still lightweight. I bet even that eight would struggle against England, France and Georgia under the current tactical approach.

Eddie Jones had Ireland sussed after scoring two tries off a counter attack and cross field kick. The rest of the match was Eddie laughing from the stand: ‘Here, scummy Irish, have the ball, Maro and the boys will hammer you backwards all day long.’

If the one off runners reappear against Scotland this Saturday then the coaches have got both the strategy and selection wrong. Now is the time to show some value from a marathon camp in Carton House (if those walls could talk). Fix the fundamentals before delivering a game with pace and tempo. Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round.

clap clap clap clap clap clap

"Play a style that suits the players. Not the other way round."
It seems to work OK at Leinster!

Similar views expressed here by Matt Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCmwCnpQQk

Second half of this focuses on the contract situation and difficult choices for the IRFU in who they choose to fund and chances of losing players to France. Also the impact of weak competition on the development of Irish players and devaluing of the Pro14 as a product.

Also the problems of the weak opposition in the Pro 14 harming Irish players and harming the product.

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Post by profitius on Thu 03 Dec 2020, 9:04 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Very Happy the very Irish Joe Maksymiw. Born in Derby, educated in Loughborough and came through the Tigers academy.

There's always been more Irish players than spaces available in Ireland. Similar with Wales. You'll find plenty of players of not quite top level filling out the ranks in the Championship. Some are late developers and end up making it in the Prem or head back home. One of the many reasons the loss of a professional Championship is a loss to NH rugby. I guess those players might get picked up by the French second division instead.

Ireland have had a golden generation and are rebuilding. At some point the hard part comes and you have to let the big names go because they aren't the same players they were and you don't want to keep them in contracts past their peak at the risk they become dead wood blocking the best talent coming through. The IRU might well use the pandemic as a good excuse to being forward what might have been done over a couple of years but Ireland do have talent coming through.

Good point. There's 2 schools of thought on it. One is they'll try to keep most of the players except one or two older and injury prone players. The second is they'll have a big clear out of older players with the exception of one or two ( like Sexton) and essentially clearing the way for the young players.

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Post by profitius on Thu 03 Dec 2020, 9:10 pm

Brendan wrote:Healy would be number 2 at Glasgow with a number one away at Scotland.  At Munster is he ahead of Hanrahan, it's hard to say.  If Munster see him as important he will be kept.  If he needs to do some growing why not spend to years learning from Hastings.

There is alot of issues still to be resolved regards covid.  I think it is a good idea to wait and see then commit to players and then have to do cost cutting in 6 months if it does go well

Also the Leinster System isn't known for its love of David


He would be a loss for Munster. Already established himself ahead of JJ imo. Would be a good signing for Glasgow although it remains to be seen if his form is a flash in the pan.
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Post by Brendan on Thu 03 Dec 2020, 9:52 pm

profitius wrote:
Brendan wrote:Healy would be number 2 at Glasgow with a number one away at Scotland.  At Munster is he ahead of Hanrahan, it's hard to say.  If Munster see him as important he will be kept.  If he needs to do some growing why not spend to years learning from Hastings.

There is alot of issues still to be resolved regards covid.  I think it is a good idea to wait and see then commit to players and then have to do cost cutting in 6 months if it does go well

Also the Leinster System isn't known for its love of David


He would be a loss for Munster. Already established himself ahead of JJ imo. Would be a good signing for Glasgow although it remains to be seen if his form is a flash in the pan.

It would be a short term loss but think that it would build him up as it takes him out of the comfort zone.

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Post by thebandwagonsociety on Fri 04 Dec 2020, 10:44 am

A scottish side wouldn't be signing him if the SRU didn't have a commitment on player for Scotland from the player surely.

Anyone know who Healy's agent is? Any links to d'arcy? Or is it just that there are plenty of knives coming out for Nucifora. There are plenty of people that he's pissed off over the years, I'm just wondering is there anything specific now. Or is Darcy looking at the greater good here, he French sort out their squads by end of January each year so this is the month that IRFU need to step up and commit the cash or they'll loose players in the uncertainty (and are the irfu looking to lose some players that way as it'll be the player choosing to leave rather than the irfu telling them it's over and using the limited cash on the rest of the roster). Interesting times for a rugby fan.... livelihoods on the line for the players.

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Post by profitius on Fri 04 Dec 2020, 2:21 pm

Gavin Cummiskey:


The IRFU’s refusal to enter negotiations despite 50 per cent of their professional players being out of contract next July has led to agents offering some of Ireland’s top internationals to French clubs.

The agents believe their hands have been forced. “In the next couple of weeks we will have firm offers from clubs in France and the IRFU have not engaged or made any offers at all,” said a senior sports agent. “It’s seems absolutely bonkers.”

The Irish Times has spoken to several leading rugby agents – all spoke anonymously to avoid damaging their clients’ future prospects – and many believe that IRFU performance director David Nucifora is stalling talks until French and English clubs have completed recruitment for next season.

“Is [Nucifora] waiting for French and English clubs to do their business? Of course he is,” said another agent. “It is nothing to do with money. The IRFU leave the negotiations as long as they can because they know there will be less options.”

Nucifora is refusing to meet player representatives even in an informal setting.

‘Low-ball offer’
A veteran Irish international also says that “very limited information” is being relayed to players. And there is a growing fear that they are missing out on opportunities to move abroad which, in turn, allows the IRFU to come in with “a low-ball offer when other options have evaporated”.

Another agent, however, expressed sympathy for Nucifora’s inability to fully know the IRFU’s financial position until the Government makes a decision on crowds returning to stadiums in 2021.

“It has actually worked out very well for players to be aware of their options outside of Ireland. Normally the top-end players don’t get this opportunity as the IRFU and the provinces are very proactive in initiating contract discussions,” said the agent

Initial conversations have occurred between agents and the provinces, so players could be informed that they are wanted. However, no financial offers can be made until Nucifora says so despite up to 100 professionals being out of contract next summer.

The performance director said on Monday there will be no discussions until after Christmas.

An agent also noted that “positive news around vaccines and the likelihood of crowds returning before next season” would alter the value of each deal.

Nucifora, who has administered the professional game in Ireland since 2014, reiterated this week that selection for Ireland will only be open to players contracted to Connacht, Leinster, Munster and Ulster.

Another agent cannot understand why Nucifora – the twice capped Wallaby hooker – has not chosen to negotiate contracts that can be increased or reduced based on income the IRFU earns from supporters entering stadiums next year.

“There is a way of dealing with that if the IRFU say, ‘here is the offer we are willing to give in normal circumstances – that is your value – but there is a phased reduction that goes up and down whether we are at 25 per cent, 50 per cent or 100 per cent capacity.’ ”

Influential young players like Garry Ringrose, James Ryan and Jacob Stockdale signed lucrative deals last season but several veterans are facing into a worrying financial period as the IRFU refuses to engage in discussions.

“I know there is a lot of frustration on the players going into Christmas with no security.”
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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 04 Dec 2020, 9:40 pm

Good win by Connacht tonight against Benetton - 31-14. 5 points in the bag from 1 of their 3 catch-up games. The others won't be played until New Year. It moves them into second spot, 4 points ahead of Scarlets with a game in hand on them.

Paul Boyle was a deserved man of the match playing a stormer at number 8 and captaining the side, scoring a hat-trick of tries and making light of the absence of his supposed mentor Papallii getting a second red card in a few weeks and getting a fair bit of a ban as a result.

One for Farrell to consider.

Caolin Blade delivered snappy service to the ever-improving Conor Fitzgerald who must be glad he moved out of Munster to get increasing game time at the expense of Jack Carty. He kicked well in the fairly blustery conditions. Alex Wootton scored another for the men in green.

Club captain, Jarrad Butler, who played from the bench tonight said they're looking forward to the visit of Bristol under their old coach, Pat Lam, and their old captain and longtime club servant, now asst coach, John Muldoon.

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