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Post by profitius Tue 12 Sep 2017, 5:16 pm

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Post by geoff999rugby Fri 02 Apr 2021, 10:36 am

At the start of next season Ulster will have 8 players 31 or older in the squad.
Only Nakarawa over 32 - he is 33.

Carter, Warwick, McGrath, Madigan, Reidy - all 32
Cooney and Herring - 31

Half of the squad were born 1995 or later

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 02 Apr 2021, 10:46 am

profitius wrote:Looks like Jenkins will be the last signing so the squad is almost complete. Not sure what the logic is of his signing especially with Ahern signed up.

I don't know a lot about Ahern, but I don't think Jenkins signing for just a year does him any favours, unless he is hoping to pick up a big French contract at some point. Speaking of which, he can also play back-row, so now you've got someone who is 6'7 and over 120kg who can play on the flank. Munster's pack is already very strong, so it will be hard to see them losing many games again next season.

JJ going overseas is a surprise, must be a big contract. Are you looking into bringing Zebo home?

Rhys Marshall is someone I wouldn't mind having at the Dragons if he stays injury free, as a replacement for Hibbard. Doubt it though.

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Post by profitius Mon 05 Apr 2021, 8:16 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:At the start of next season Ulster will have 8 players 31 or older in the squad.
Only Nakarawa over 32 - he is 33.

Carter, Warwick, McGrath, Madigan, Reidy - all 32
Cooney and Herring - 31

Half of the squad were born 1995 or later


Didn't know it was that many. They'll have to do some recruiting in the next year or so.
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Post by profitius Mon 05 Apr 2021, 8:19 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
profitius wrote:Looks like Jenkins will be the last signing so the squad is almost complete. Not sure what the logic is of his signing especially with Ahern signed up.  

I don't know a lot about Ahern, but I don't think Jenkins signing for just a year does him any favours, unless he is hoping to pick up a big French contract at some point. Speaking of which, he can also play back-row, so now you've got someone who is 6'7 and over 120kg who can play on the flank. Munster's pack is already very strong, so it will be hard to see them losing many games again next season.

JJ going overseas is a surprise, must be a big contract. Are you looking into bringing Zebo home?

Rhys Marshall is someone I wouldn't mind having at the Dragons if he stays injury free, as a replacement for Hibbard. Doubt it though.


I don't think JJ was wanted. There are 3 young 10s just promoted from the academy and Carbery.


Marshall is a good player. Better than Scannell imo.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Mon 05 Apr 2021, 8:57 pm

Has JJ ever really kicked on? His life to Saints was pretty disastrous. He never looked tactically dominant so that he could manage the game but at the same time not physical enough to play the secondary playmaker at 12. From the outside looked like the player for the 22 shirt you'd turn to if you needed to spark something in the second half rather than someone you'd ever give the 10 shirt to full time. With Carbeary back fit I assume his game time would have been even more reduced, surprised to see he's only 28 I thought he'd been around longer. Will get a good run in France to set up the pension for later life.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Mon 05 Apr 2021, 10:19 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Has JJ ever really kicked on? His life to Saints was pretty disastrous. He never looked tactically dominant so that he could manage the game but at the same time not physical enough to play the secondary playmaker at 12. From the outside looked like the player for the 22 shirt you'd turn to if you needed to spark something in the second half rather than someone you'd ever give the 10 shirt to full time. With Carbeary back fit I assume his game time would have been even more reduced, surprised to see he's only 28 I thought he'd been around longer. Will get a good run in France to set up the pension for later life.
Was he really that bad for saints? I remember we hammered them in a Heineken cup game in franklins gardens in 2016 he was one of Northampton's better players, but he was playing at 12. I think it's fair to say he's a better player now than he was then but he'll always be seen as someone who hasn't fulfilled their potential. He looked like a future star in the u20 world cup but he has had a decent career so far and Clermont is a fantastic move for him.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Tue 06 Apr 2021, 7:54 am

At Saints he had injuries and from memory came in and out of the side. Couldn't take the shirt off of Myler. I think his form was a bit up and down, he did come with a lot of hype though which wouldn't have been easy for a young playmaker who'd never played in the Prem before.

I think Clermont is an interesting opportunity for him. He's a skillful guy and their backline is pretty amazing so you'd assume his assist stats will be pretty high.

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Post by Brendan Wed 07 Apr 2021, 12:14 am

Recently O'Gara talked about he has great skill and vision but can be hard to get him out of his own head. At times he looks amazing and at others he overthinks and completely messes up which then leads to more problems as he tries to fix his earlier mistake.

If he could be like Finn Russel and just move on mentally to the next play and forget about the last play he could have been great. Finn can make and absolute howler of a mistake and then do something magical and his mental strenght is one of his greatest strenght (and often overlooked). It's why no other play can set up so much each game as he does (though sometimes for both teams).

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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed 07 Apr 2021, 8:11 am

Good insight. I think all flyhalfs need to have an ego if they are going to get to the top of the game as you say because they've got to be able to shrug off the errors that will happen. How those egos manifest themselves is what makes flyhalfs the interesting characters.

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Post by profitius Fri 09 Apr 2021, 7:17 pm

JJ Hanrahan is mentally weak. On the big occasions he has fluffed chance after chance. He missed an easy drop goal to beat Racing last season. He spoke about it recently saying that he didn't practice drop goals enough before that. That lack of preparation wouldnt happen to a Jonny Wilkinson or Sexton.


If he was a bit bigger he could have made a great 12. His passing is superb and he can make a break. He won the pro14 golden boot for the second time last season. Only downside is his kicking from hand and option taking. Clermont might be a good match for him.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 10 Apr 2021, 8:54 am

That's exactly how he was at Saints (or how I remember him at Saints). If he could have upped his defensive contribution a possibly excellent 12. Not quite got it for 10. As you say not being prepared isn't an option though you do seem to have some high level flyhalfs that cruise along on their natural talent. I remember Priestland putting down the improvements to his game at Bath to working with George Ford because Ford set the standard for preparation. You'd assume that would be a given for an international playmaker but maybe not.

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Post by Brendan Sat 10 Apr 2021, 2:23 pm

Listened the Friend's interview on off the ball a few days ago. Talked about Connacht's quota is 30% must be from Connacht which seems about right currently but as the growth of rugby continues in the province hopefully it can go up to 50%.

He also had some interesting things to say about the loss to Tigers and basically implied the team may have underestimated Tiger and that the players didn't adjust quickly enough to the game in front of them. Scoreline backed that up with Connacht getting 75% of their points in the second half

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 10 Apr 2021, 2:50 pm

Yes I think Connacht saw a partly second team on paper and thought we can blow those guys away. Saw young names in the pack and some big lumps and the thinking was run the legs off them. Borthwick is to canny for that. Despite quite a few fans (including me, though to a lesser degree than many) questioning his selection they got the job done.

Connacht did score more in the second half but still lost the second half 24-21. It was a very entertaining end to end game, most unlike anything involving Leicester normally. I expected Connacht's international half backs to try and exert more control.

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Post by Kingshu Wed 14 Apr 2021, 11:56 pm

Zebo returning to Munster, what is surprising is the contract is part funded by the IRFU?

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Post by Pot Hale Sat 17 Apr 2021, 3:34 pm

Kingshu wrote:Zebo returning to Munster, what is surprising is the contract is part funded by the IRFU?

Well the IRFU part funds all of the full time IQ players. If they went above the normal contribution, then obviously they see an opportunity for Zebo to play himself back into test contention in his one season contract. Whether they continue to pay extra after that remains to be seen.
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