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Post by 3fingers Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:56 am

First topic message reminder :

Fights I want to see in '18.

Alexanda vs ortis and Whyte vs Brown.

What do you want?

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:49 am

I would definitely rule out Fielding causing an upset, but maybe not Bellew (and yes i'll be paying for it, since winning 75 mini bottles of wine off me over the first Haye/Bellew fight, the missus won't miss his fights)

Cardle/Burns could be very tasty although imo it depends on how much Burns has got left in the tank. Agree with you that Cardle's been a disappointment but still a bit of time left for him yet.

Still not convinced Wilder/Fury is happening but if it does think Wilder within 5 based on the last 2 showings of Fury.

Whyte/Chisora, Whyte by UD although if Chis is motivated could see some wobbly moments for Whyte who's just treading water until he can rematch Joshua.

Spence/Crawford - how i've missed any mention of this is beyond me but could go to either man.

Warrington/Frampton another interesting one as Warrington shown a lot of people (including me) that he was a hell of a lot better than we ever gave him credit for. Think it'll be close with a razor thin decision going the Irishmans way.

Canelo/Fielding - Canelo's whenever he ups the pressure.

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:47 am

Paul Butler looking very good here. Boxed a very clever fight and won near enough every round comfortably.

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:27 am

Zach Parker showing massive heart fighting with only 1 hand since the 2nd round

I wouldn't mind seeing Williams/Parker again,

Parkers done amazing the last 3 rounds and reckon that would have been an absolute classic without the injury

Woooah dunno how Parker was called the winner in that, although I did say in the early rounds Williams was missing a hell of a lot (how the f V.L gave it 117 - 112 to Parker I don't know)

Deffo gotta be a rematch now

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:53 am

Nonito donaire beats Ryan Burnett after the Irish boy suffers a severe back injury. What a sad way to your world title and unbeaten record. Donaire vs Tete next

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:07 am

Gutted for him Nat, but he'll be back, his corner deffo made the right decision pulling him out but he's a great talent.

Josh Taylor up next, think he's an absolutely massive talent

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:21 am

No disrespect to Nonito but this was supposed to be Ryan's big night getting that big name on the CV. Terrible luck. Nonito was a true gentleman after the bout. Class shown by the Filipino

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:25 am

Agree mate, should have been a passing of the torch and the aftermath just ramps up the respect for Donaire, wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch further down the line as honestly think Donaire would use the loss to retire as a consumate professional and as a tip of the hat to Burnett

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:43 am

Josh Taylor absolutely destroyed Ryan Martin. Man vs Boy. The Scotsman was outstanding

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:45 am

Derbymanc wrote:Agree mate, should have been a passing of the torch and the aftermath just ramps up the respect for Donaire, wouldn't be surprised to see a rematch further down the line as honestly think Donaire would use the loss to retire as a consumate professional and as a tip of the hat to Burnett
Unfortunately I don't see a rematch happening mate. Tete could well KO Nonito and that would probably end his career. As if Nonito some how reached the final, Inoue is a monster and Nonito could get a severe beating

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:00 am

I'm probably just hoping to be honest, the set up there was perfect for a proper passing of the torch.

Josh Taylor is something else and I honestly think he could be the top no.1 in a few years time. Done everything the hard way, took the tough fights and learnt from every opponent. Shows you what can happen if your not just scraping to build the wins up.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:44 pm

Taylor has a touch of class and let's be honest anyone that beats the nauseating O'hara Davies should be a fan favourite..

Big times ahead...

Coming back to Wilder v Fury...Look a right bunch of muppets if it gets cancelled now..

No way back for Fury if he pulls out like Wlad 2..

Who would ever risk a big promotion with him again..

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Post by Herman Jaeger Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:40 pm

Not sure Taylor needed to hit Martin when he was down though, Martin was defenceless. Good display against an ordinary opponent so Baranchyk will tell us more


Some fans high on Taylor, others on Prograis, the great thing is we don’t have to wait to find out who’s number one. And that’s why everyone i’m sure is a fan of tournaments like this because as Lou said once you’re signed up you can’t run and you can’t hide. So if someone wins his semi and doesn’t fancy his chances in the final, he’s got to man up


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Post by Herman Jaeger Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:48 pm

Do we think the fight was stopped prematurely?

Or was it compassionate saving him from the inevitable?

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Post by Herman Jaeger Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:04 pm

I take that back, just watched it again and Martin hadn’t touched down so Taylor fully entitled, I guess

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Post by Derbymanc Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:11 am

stopped prematurely imo. Martin still able to carry on and had just seemed to up the tempo a bit

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Post by Herman Jaeger Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:39 am

At 140 who have you got as the winner, Truss?

No sitting on the fence please

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Post by Derbymanc Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:37 am

https://topclassboxing.co.uk/2018/11/04/oh-what-a-night-the-good-and-the-bad/

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Post by Herman Jaeger Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:26 am

1.36  ‘I think ppv is dead unless the price point changes’

With the rise of boxing streaming(in USA) won’t this mean that ppv will simply lower its ‘price point’(as Eddy puts it) rather than go away altogether?

If so that means boxing is still going to be an expensive sport to follow? DAZN, ESPN then a few ppv’s a year at say 30-40$. The hope was that ppv disappears entirely but is that going to happen?

https://youtu.be/GZYdhhA-GPg


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Post by Herman Jaeger Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:26 am

Truss gone quiet

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Post by Herman Jaeger Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Stevenson already running from Bivol and Beterbiev that’s why he’s talking Bellew now

He’ll never step in with Beterbiev or Bivol just like he wouldn’t Kovalev(or Alvarez for that matter)

Don’t know if Gvozdyk is as good as Bivol and Beterbiev but some posters on here actually rate him as the man in the division. Let’s hope they’re right but Stevenson does sound quite confident in this one. 50/50 for me very good fight

https://youtu.be/RrcbzLmp5YQ

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Post by Herman Jaeger Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:40 pm

Stevenson going into the unknown a bit here it should be added don’t forget he was forced into this fight don’t think he would have taken it otherwise

Especially straight after his last fight

The right hand is a dangerous weapon though very dangerous weapon and that as we know is the last thing a boxer loses. But this at least on paper has to be the hardest test of his reign to date

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Post by Mr Bounce Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:00 am

I would have loved to have seen Ward take on Stevenson. Would have been amusing. However there's no way Stevenson would have taken it. There would have been a danger of him losing... I reckon he won't stay fighting for too much longer.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:05 pm

Bob thinks that Canelo with the deal he’s got with DAZN means he’ll be fighting the most part second tier opposition. Wonder if he’s right

https://youtu.be/piVn7L6TLnY

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Post by Derbymanc Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:29 am

The Moaner is back

https://topclassboxing.co.uk/2018/11/16/monthly-moaner/

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:54 pm

The Whyte v Chisora bit looks awfully familiar...Is my check in the post ??

Interesting read....Good work.

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Post by Derbymanc Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:57 pm

Cheers Truss and thanks for reading, when i get paid you'll get paid ;-)

Can't believe i forgot to mention that there's 2 PPV's that night although I don't know if it's just me but there doesn't seem to be as much hype as there should be for Warrington/Frampton.

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Post by Fernando Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:57 am

Pacquiao vs Broner
January 19th
WBA Welterweight Title

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Post by Derbymanc Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:31 pm

I think i'm less interested in this than i am in an Audley Harrison comeback

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Post by melv500 Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:28 pm

Nice article Derby, cannot say I disagree with any word of it. The PPV part in particular has outraged me as I stated on Trussmans thread.

Also welcome to the South where the sun always shines...ish....occasionally Wink

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Post by Derbymanc Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:33 am

Cheers Melv, wish it would shine, it's peeing down at the minute

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:25 am

Jeff Horn destroyed Anthony Mundane in Brisbane, Australia earlier today. The bout lasted all of 100secs. 'Choc' announced his retirement after the fight. Mundane remains an enigma but deserves respect for both his rugby and boxing careers.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:29 pm

Oleksandr Gvozdyk KO'd Adonis Stevenson in the 11th round to become the new king at light heavyweight. What an era for Ukrainian boxing Lomachenko, Usyk and Gvozdyk.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:34 am

Kell Brook laboured to a unanimous decision against Michael Zerafa, Brook was continually tagged by the Australian and Brook was lucky Zerafa has little power. All this talk of Brook being a puncher a light middleweight can be dispelled as well, Brook landed his best shots on Zerafa and couldn't even hurt him. Zerafa was once destroyed by Peter Quillin inside 2 rounds, shows how overrated Brook is. Hurd or Charlo pancake him

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Post by Guest Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:36 pm

Khan v Vargas was a similar story, to Brook v Zefara. Bang average performances, of two has been’s. Both way past their best now, and I have no idea why there is such demand for the two to fight. Khan should take the £5m on offer from Terence Crawford, and give it everything. Brook should look at the Porter rematch, or Hurd

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:00 pm

JJ - if Brook grew balls and fought Hurd it would be a brutal and savage KO.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:03 pm

P4P king Vasyl Lomachenko beat Jose Pedraza by UD to unify WBA/WBO/Ring lightweight titles. Far from a vintage performance by Lomachenko but unsurprising as Lomachenko only recently returned from shoulder injury

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Post by melv500 Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:53 pm

Watched the Brook fight. Very poor performance from him. Think cutting the weight to 150lb wasn’t wise in hindsight. Clearly did it show he can make 147. He looked great in the first round and looked to be a quick night then after that couldn’t put a dent in him. He needs to be at the full weight to compete in LMW or he’s going to get hurt bad.I wouldn’t rule him out against Charlo if at the weight properly and he’s stronger. Also fighting at 147 isn’t wise either as he looked weak at 150. If he’s going to fight at 147 then the only option is Khan as he gets destroyed by the other top ones there now.

Or lastly he’s shot. I’m sure we will find out one way or the other in his next fight.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:46 pm

Brook hasn't fought for a while...Sometimes fighters have bad nights..

Certainly think though he is past his peak..and as ever you wonder if his face holds up..

REALLY don't know what is wrong with Khan...He will earn five times the money he would get for Crawford and unless he gets caught there is every chance of outpointing Kell.

Time to get it on.


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Post by melv500 Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:33 pm

Agree totally on Khan. Jonny Nelson said he doesn’t fancy either Brook or Crawford but loses less face if he loses to Crawford. Khan has a huge ego so I’d say that’s pretty accurate. However surely after Saturday Khan fancies Brook more now especially 147? Would be no suprise to see him get a points win and Brook would not be strong at the weight.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:34 am

melv500 wrote:Agree totally on Khan. Jonny Nelson said he doesn’t fancy either Brook or Crawford but loses less face if he loses to Crawford. Khan has a huge ego so I’d say that’s pretty accurate. However surely after Saturday Khan fancies Brook more now especially 147? Would be no suprise to see him get a points win and Brook would not be strong at the weight.
Ignore what Nelson says tbh, his tongue is too far up Brook's backside. Brook's under the impression that he's entitled to a cash out fight with Khan. Brook lacks any credibility in his career, Porter is his one decent win in 40 fights. Hearn and Brook where happy tto milk the IBF belt fighting every bum possible.

Brook's mandatory for Hurd, go fight him and get slaughtered. Brook called Khan 'a con man' when in fact Brook is the true con man.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:05 am

How about Hurd then Munguia for Brook?

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:How about Hurd then Munguia for Brook?
If he fights Hurd and gets brutally destroyed there's no potential for a fight with Munguia. And to be brutally honest the top dogs at 154 destroy Brook. Brook has no power, Zerafa came down from 160 to fight Brook, and Brook couldn't put a dent in a weight drained opponent.

Sky/Hearn are having a pity party for Brook, Brook's essentially at Khan's mercy as he can't beat the champions at 147/154.

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Post by Herman Jaeger Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:06 am

Not short of a few bob so Crawford and out and well done

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Post by Herman Jaeger Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:02 am

I’m salivating already for Lopez against Lomachenko sometime next year once Lopez picks up a title sees nothing special in the Ukrainian

Lopez looks to possess some punching ability

I’m curious to see how Loma would deal with Lopez aggression

If Lopez is overrated then Loma could take advantage but how would his chin hold up from a Lopez bomb


And will Bob let it happen? After Garcia you do wonder because we know how Bob loves to navigate round the toughest tests but that’s a matador bull fight I’d love to see Lopez looks very very strong at the weight

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:55 pm

Al Haymon signed a deal with ITV to bring 15 cards to U.K. TV from hod PBC umbrella. Haymon out to bury the con man Hearn

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Post by Herman Jaeger Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:37 pm

You know how Haymon operates though Nathaniel

His mo is to put anything 50/50 on ppv while for the most part the free to air content is non-competitive

He’ll start off by putting on a few good fights then slowly but surely the free to air quality will drop off

He’s all about the ITV ppv money but hope I’m wrong

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Post by Derbymanc Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:02 am

Same as Mr Hearn then Hermy, none of em are good for the sport anymore

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Post by The Beast Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:19 pm

Big upset last night Jermell Charlo losing his unbeaten record and 154lbs light-middle belt to Tony Harrison, classic example of picking the wrong opponent?

His brother Jamall did retain his version (interim I think but really who knows) of the middleweight title over former Andy Lee victim Matt Korobov. Unanimous points but a tough fight.

There has been discussion on dodgy judging but Walsh v Bellotti on the free view (Whyte/Chisora) card an eye opener. How Ian John-Lewis saw that 116-113 Bellotti is IMO ridiculous.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:06 pm

Both Charlo’s are good talkers but prettt mediocre fighters. Harrison schooled Jermell. Korobov best Jermall his boxing skills where far too good for the self proclaimed ‘Lion’. Jermall talks about being ducked by Álvarez, Golovkin and Jacobs but the truth is he’s just rubbish and not worthy of a shot

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Post by Guest Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:20 pm

Three-weight world champion Jorge Linares suffered a shock first-round defeat by Pablo Cesar Cano in New York last night.

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