6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

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WALES v SCOTLAND
3 February 2018
KO: 14:15 GMT
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [ITV, RTE, SC4, FR2, DMAX / BBC (H)]

Referee: Pascal Gaüzère (France)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Matthew Carley (England)
TMO: David Grashoff (England)

A. Head to Head

122 Played 122
70 Won 49
3 Drawn 3
49 Lost 70
1,624 Points 1,263

B. Recent Form

9 March 2013
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
18–28 to Wales

15 March 2014
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
51–3 to Wales

15 February 2015
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
23–26 to Wales

13 February 2016
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
27–23 to Wales

25 February 2017
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
29–13 to Scotland

C. Teams

WALES 

Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets); Josh Adams (Worcester), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Rob Evans (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys, capt), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Aled Davies (Scarlets), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Owen Watkin (Ospreys).

SCOTLAND

Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors); Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons), Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors), Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks); Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors), Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors); Gordon Reid (London Irish), Stuart McInally (Edinburgh), Jon Welsh (Newcastle Falcons), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh), Jonny Gray, John Barclay (Scarlets, captain), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh), Cornell du Preez (Edinburgh).

Replacements: Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors), Murray McCallum (Edinburgh), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Clermont Auvergne), Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Sean Maitland (Saracens).

LordDowlais wrote:

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:Look, I would put Klinghorn in the Scottish team ahead of Hogg.  Whilst Hogg is a very good player, I still see weaknesses in his game. I have been a constant admirer of Blair Klinghorn this season and I cannot fathom why he is not in the Scottish squad, I assumed he was, but I have not checked, is he injured ?

BamBam, I have asked you politely on numerous occasions to stop targeting me on here, can you please stop following me around this forum and constantly trying to belittle me ? It is spoiling threads for everybody.

Please elaborate......

Oh, here we go, just because I do not share the same demi-god opinion of Hogg as our friends up north then I have to start explaining. Look, I do not want to spoil this thread, or get into a peeing match with anyone, but I will give my opinion on his weaknesses.

For me he is far to maverick, he is world class at the nice things, like support play, ball in hand, footwork, pace, but when it comes to the not so nice things, position, defence, tackling I think he is not as good has his peers.

Do his pro's out way his cons ? It depends, if everything is going Scotland's/Glasgow's way, then yes they do, if the are not, then no. For me he is still a mistake waiting to happen, an intercept pass, a missed tackle or being out of position.

Would I swap him for Liam Williams ? Not a snowballs chance in hell I wouldn't. Would I swap him for Halfpenny ? Yes, but it would depend on the opposition.

Klinghorn for me, even at his young age, is already showing a much more complete all round finish to his game, a future world beater.

So before the grenades start getting thrown, this is just my opinion.

I wouldn't swap Kinghorn for Hogg but your opinion on the matter is okay as Kinghorn has been in good form, which you've alluded to. You'd do well to remember that on here Welsh aren't allowed an opinion. Nor are Welsh allowed to point out nonsensical claims against them, like some ridiculous humping predictions being received from an okay team.

You can't replace your players every time there's a new flavour of the month player. You'd have a national team with 5 caps. Hogg is an automatic pick.

Oh I haven't had Drambuie for a while....

mikey_dragon wrote:You'd do well to remember that on here Welsh aren't allowed an opinion. Nor are Welsh allowed to point out nonsensical claims against them, like some ridiculous humping predictions being received from an okay team.

It does seem that way doesn't it ? No wonder there are people leaving this place.

No 7&1/2 wrote:You been drinking bam or just taking the mick out of a ridiculous quote that no Scottish player would get into a Welsh 15?

Can't see that quote but if it's an opinion then okay. It could change on the weekend but up to now Scotland don't do very well against Wales so I don't think many fans would be open to a trade. You don't think the quote that one Welsh player would get into the Scotland team is as ridiculous? Hmmm strange again.

Asking to elaborate on an opinion isn't saying you can't have one.

Stop the persecution complex.

Scottrf wrote:You can't replace your players every time there's a new flavour of the month player. You'd have a national team with 5 caps. Hogg is an automatic pick.

And up to now I thought it was only HERS... I mean tightHEAD who came on here to debate with himself

Scottrf wrote:Asking to elaborate on an opinion isn't saying you can't have one.

Stop the persecution complex.

You've been here bitching about Wales ever since I and others alluded to some dumb predictions, so not sure why you're on your high horse again? You (and others) seem to get personal about Wales when a welsh poster proves you wrong, perhaps this place isn't for you?

LordDowlais wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:Hogg is a beast and I love watching him play, anyone who doesn't see that needs to take a walk.

Nobody has said that they do not like watching Hogg play. What a strange comment to make.

Not as strange as some of the rubbish coming from certain posters on here about dropping proven Test players for rookies.

IanBru wrote:Do you know when you leave the living room on Christmas day, and come back a few minutes later to find everyone sat in silence, and your uncle has got hold of the Drambuie? "No Uncle John, you can't call them that anymore.... [angry muttering] ...Well if you must know, the Equality Act says that is a 'protected characteristic' so, you really can't."

That's this, right here.

Edit: That's not a reference to you LD, even if Kinghorn over Hogg is utterly bats***.

LD, I'll bite, I've got nothing else on tonight. Kinghorn is great prospect, but I don't know how many try saving tackles Hogg has to make (without knocking himself senseless) he has to make to no longer be a defensive liability.

https://youtu.be/L8HuRV7CLkQ

https://youtu.be/gz8YoLHjDu4

https://youtu.be/fRVJeG4S5y4


And of course for comparison here is how not to tackle...

https://youtu.be/lX3ceTmAnsI

Now I threw that last one in as a wind up, I admit it. I'm not going to make an assumption on Halfpenny's defending based on a few isolated incidents such as that or the numerous times he's got his head on the wrong side and subsequently clattered.

Likewise I don't think you should keep running with the assumption that Hogg's positioning and defence are bad. It was true 3 or 4 seasons ago but you don't get 2 Lions call ups and a host of international caps by not doing the basics.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Asking to elaborate on an opinion isn't saying you can't have one.

Stop the persecution complex.

You've been here bitching about Wales ever since I and others alluded to some dumb predictions, so not sure why you're on your high horse again? You (and others) seem to get personal about Wales when a welsh poster proves you wrong, perhaps this place isn't for you?

You don't prove anyone wrong, you just cry that people are against you.

What was that from 1/2p????

Why are we having English wums on here ? Don't you have a game this weekend to talk about ?

Us Welsh on this forum get accused of all that is wrong on this forum, yet you never see us all infesting English match threads or aviva prem threads just causing arguments.

Only V2.

Tramptastic wrote:In a free and independant Scotland all memos will be counted as Tory propoganda and will be burnt at the stake. This includes SNP memos on burning all Tory propoganda memos and so on and so forth.

in a slightly more rugby related note, if you are welsh and you could pick one scotland player (not currently injured) to be in your team who would you pick?

If you are Scottish and you could pick one Welsh player (not currently injured) to be in your team who would you pick?

and behold, a reasonable question, that couldn't possibly lead to trolling, was asked

Oh my

what have I done

Don't cry dude.

Tramptastic wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:In a free and independant Scotland all memos will be counted as Tory propoganda and will be burnt at the stake. This includes SNP memos on burning all Tory propoganda memos and so on and so forth.

in a slightly more rugby related note, if you are welsh and you could pick one scotland player (not currently injured) to be in your team who would you pick?

If you are Scottish and you could pick one Welsh player (not currently injured) to be in your team who would you pick?

and behold, a reasonable question, that couldn't possibly lead to trolling, was asked

Oh my

what have I done

It was all fun and games untill LD said a two times Lions tourist, two times 6N player of the tournament shouldn't be in the squad but a 20 year old Blair Kinghorn should be...

How would you feel if Kinghorn had got the call for the Lions over North???!!! That's as mad as saying he should get the nod over Hogg!!!

I would think it equally as stupid yes mikey.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

IanBru wrote:Do you know when you leave the living room on Christmas day, and come back a few minutes later to find everyone sat in silence, and your uncle has got hold of the Drambuie? "No Uncle John, you can't call them that anymore.... [angry muttering] ...Well if you must know, the Equality Act says that is a 'protected characteristic' so, you really can't."

That's this, right here.

Edit: That's not a reference to you LD, even if Kinghorn over Hogg is utterly bats***.

LD, I'll bite, I've got nothing else on tonight. Kinghorn is great prospect, but I don't know how many try saving tackles Hogg has to make (without knocking himself senseless) he has to make to no longer be a defensive liability.

https://youtu.be/L8HuRV7CLkQ

https://youtu.be/gz8YoLHjDu4

https://youtu.be/fRVJeG4S5y4


And of course for comparison here is how not to tackle...

https://youtu.be/lX3ceTmAnsI

Now I threw that last one in as a wind up, I admit it. I'm not going to make an assumption on Halfpenny's defending based on a few isolated incidents such as that or the numerous times he's got his head on the wrong side and subsequently clattered.

Likewise I don't think you should keep running with the assumption that Hogg's positioning and defence are bad. It was true 3 or 4 seasons ago but you don't get 2 Lions call ups and a host of international caps by not doing the basics.

Stop that.

You aren't allowed to use facts, this board is for Opinions.

Scottrf wrote:You don't prove anyone wrong, you just cry that people are against you.

No I just prove you wrong, remember when you had to resort to lying earlier in this thread? You were getting personal about Wales too when crying to two other Welsh posters. I don't cry that people are against me, I just point out the anti-wales bias that's been evident here for a long time and that's been driving welsh posters off the site.

If Wales win I expect you and some others will be here blaming the ref like you usually do , and for that reason it would actually be good to see Scotland win so we can get less hassle on here!

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

IanBru wrote:Do you know when you leave the living room on Christmas day, and come back a few minutes later to find everyone sat in silence, and your uncle has got hold of the Drambuie? "No Uncle John, you can't call them that anymore.... [angry muttering] ...Well if you must know, the Equality Act says that is a 'protected characteristic' so, you really can't."

That's this, right here.

Edit: That's not a reference to you LD, even if Kinghorn over Hogg is utterly bats***.

LD, I'll bite, I've got nothing else on tonight. Kinghorn is great prospect, but I don't know how many try saving tackles Hogg has to make (without knocking himself senseless) he has to make to no longer be a defensive liability.

https://youtu.be/L8HuRV7CLkQ

https://youtu.be/gz8YoLHjDu4

https://youtu.be/fRVJeG4S5y4


And of course for comparison here is how not to tackle...

https://youtu.be/lX3ceTmAnsI

FFS mun. I just gave an opinion. Will you give over ?

You have shown three instances where Hogg has done his job, I bet there are a billion youtube clips with Hogg doing the opposite. I do not need to see those clips to know Hogg is prone to the odd mistake, or how Hogg turns the world alight, I have watched him enough times, he is a sublime player, I just do not think he is as good as some others.

Tramptastic wrote:Stop that.

You aren't allowed to use facts, this board is for Opinions.

So opinions are not allowed ?

No 7&1/2 wrote:I would think it equally as stupid yes mikey.

Considering the loyalty of supporters to their teams, neither of those are that ridiculous. I imagine many Scots wouldn't want any Wales players in their team right now, except for Faletau. I'd definitely take Hogg and probably Seymour at this moment in time. Nobody else .

LordDowlais wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

IanBru wrote:Do you know when you leave the living room on Christmas day, and come back a few minutes later to find everyone sat in silence, and your uncle has got hold of the Drambuie? "No Uncle John, you can't call them that anymore.... [angry muttering] ...Well if you must know, the Equality Act says that is a 'protected characteristic' so, you really can't."

That's this, right here.

Edit: That's not a reference to you LD, even if Kinghorn over Hogg is utterly bats***.

LD, I'll bite, I've got nothing else on tonight. Kinghorn is great prospect, but I don't know how many try saving tackles Hogg has to make (without knocking himself senseless) he has to make to no longer be a defensive liability.

https://youtu.be/L8HuRV7CLkQ

https://youtu.be/gz8YoLHjDu4

https://youtu.be/fRVJeG4S5y4


And of course for comparison here is how not to tackle...

https://youtu.be/lX3ceTmAnsI

FFS mun. I just gave an opinion. Will you give over ?

You have shown three instances where Hogg has done his job, I bet there are a billion youtube clips with Hogg doing the opposite. I do not need to see those clips to know Hogg is prone to the odd mistake, or how Hogg turns the world alight, I have watched him enough times, he is a sublime player, I just do not think he is as good as some others.

A billion missed tackles?

No wonder Kinghorn is a better player!

LordDowlais wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

IanBru wrote:Do you know when you leave the living room on Christmas day, and come back a few minutes later to find everyone sat in silence, and your uncle has got hold of the Drambuie? "No Uncle John, you can't call them that anymore.... [angry muttering] ...Well if you must know, the Equality Act says that is a 'protected characteristic' so, you really can't."

That's this, right here.

Edit: That's not a reference to you LD, even if Kinghorn over Hogg is utterly bats***.

LD, I'll bite, I've got nothing else on tonight. Kinghorn is great prospect, but I don't know how many try saving tackles Hogg has to make (without knocking himself senseless) he has to make to no longer be a defensive liability.

https://youtu.be/L8HuRV7CLkQ

https://youtu.be/gz8YoLHjDu4

https://youtu.be/fRVJeG4S5y4


And of course for comparison here is how not to tackle...

https://youtu.be/lX3ceTmAnsI

FFS mun. I just gave an opinion. Will you give over ?

You have shown three instances where Hogg has done his job, I bet there are a billion youtube clips with Hogg doing the opposite. I do not need to see those clips to know Hogg is prone to the odd mistake, or how Hogg turns the world alight, I have watched him enough times, he is a sublime player, I just do not think he is as good as some others.

OK a challenge, find a clip of the last time he missed a tackle that directly resulted in a try... It certainly wasn't in the last 6N. Or with the Lions, in fact he did enough to slow up an attack in the first match for Faletau to finish the tackle. And he missed nothing in the Autumn. He's also great in the air nowadays. He's a very well rounded fullback and arguably the best 15 in the world.

LordDowlais wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:Stop that.

You aren't allowed to use facts, this board is for Opinions.

So opinions are not allowed ?

Facts trump opinions, but saying player X is better than player Y because X made more metres is an opinion - which has been the case in the past.

mikey_dragon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I would think it equally as stupid yes mikey.

Considering the loyalty of supporters to their teams, neither of those are that ridiculous. I imagine many Scots wouldn't want any Wales players in their team right now, except for Faletau. I'd definitely take Hogg and probably Seymour at this moment in time. Nobody else .

I think I'd take that Scarlets front row. In fact, my combination Scotland Wales xv

1. Evans
2. Owens
3. Lee
4. Gray
5. AWJ
6. Barclay
7. Warburton
8. Faletau
9. Webb
10. Russell
11. Williams
12. Davis
13. Huw Jones
14. Seymour
15. Hogg

mikey_dragon wrote:

Scottrf wrote:You don't prove anyone wrong, you just cry that people are against you.

No I just prove you wrong, remember when you had to resort to lying earlier in this thread? You were getting personal about Wales too when crying to two other Welsh posters. I don't cry that people are against me, I just point out the anti-wales bias that's been evident here for a long time and that's been driving welsh posters off the site.

If Wales win I expect you and some others will be here blaming the ref like you usually do , and for that reason it would actually be good to see Scotland win so we can get less hassle on here!

I have predicted Wales to win. Lets ignore that though.

mikey_dragon wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:Stop that.

You aren't allowed to use facts, this board is for Opinions.

So opinions are not allowed ?

Facts trump opinions, but saying player X is better than player Y because X made more metres is an opinion - which has been the case in the past.

So it all depends when it suits the agenda then ? I thought so.

Like I have a member wanting me to trawl through youtube to find loads of clips of Hoggs mistakes. Like I am going to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImYlu7THs9o

Hmmm.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I would think it equally as stupid yes mikey.

Considering the loyalty of supporters to their teams, neither of those are that ridiculous. I imagine many Scots wouldn't want any Wales players in their team right now, except for Faletau. I'd definitely take Hogg and probably Seymour at this moment in time. Nobody else .

I think I'd take that Scarlets front row. In fact, my combination Scotland Wales xv

1. Evans
2. Owens
3. Lee
4. Gray
5. AWJ
6. Barclay
7. Warburton- Tuperic
8. Faletau
9. Webb- Davies
10. Russell
11. Williams- Maitland
12. Davis
13. Huw Jones
14. Seymour
15. Hogg- Williams

They would be my choices, Hogg would make the bench or wing.

If we're basing it on the weekend's teams (Scotland down 10 players in the front-row) then it's likely most would pick the Scarlets front-row. If Scotland had all their guys back from injury I don't think that would be the case. If we base it on just this weekend the team would look different, I think fans would favour the combo's they know best. Hey if you pick a Scarlets back-row you'd still see a Scottish player in there. And never thought I'd see the day a Scot vouches for AWJ .

LordDowlais wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I would think it equally as stupid yes mikey.

Considering the loyalty of supporters to their teams, neither of those are that ridiculous. I imagine many Scots wouldn't want any Wales players in their team right now, except for Faletau. I'd definitely take Hogg and probably Seymour at this moment in time. Nobody else .

I think I'd take that Scarlets front row. In fact, my combination Scotland Wales xv

1. Evans
2. Owens
3. Lee
4. Gray
5. AWJ
6. Barclay
7. Warburton- Tuperic
8. Faletau
9. Webb- Davies
10. Russell
11. Williams- Maitland
12. Davis
13. Huw Jones
14. Seymour
15. Hogg- Williams

They would be my choices, Hogg would make the bench or wing.

Hogg over Williams everytime for me.

TightHEAD wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImYlu7THs9o

Hmmm.

Yeah no real excuse for that. A shocking hit, and a deserved red card. He also dived in the RWC. I'll post that one up too

https://youtu.be/wR_m6lBy-7w

He's a much changed man now, a father and vice captain for his country and one of the leadership team.

And with no exaggeration one of the best players Scotland has ever produced. Shame he didn't get his chance with the Lions in the summer.

Tramptastic wrote:

Tramptastic wrote:In a free and independant Scotland all memos will be counted as Tory propoganda and will be burnt at the stake. This includes SNP memos on burning all Tory propoganda memos and so on and so forth.

in a slightly more rugby related note, if you are welsh and you could pick one scotland player (not currently injured) to be in your team who would you pick?

If you are Scottish and you could pick one Welsh player (not currently injured) to be in your team who would you pick?

and behold, a reasonable question, that couldn't possibly lead to trolling, was asked

Oh my

what have I done

You underestimated the ability of the Welsh to talk utter horse schit

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImYlu7THs9o

Hmmm.

Yeah no real excuse for that. A shocking hit, and a deserved red card. He also dived in the RWC. I'll post that one up too

https://youtu.be/wR_m6lBy-7w

He's a much changed man now, a father and vice captain for his country and one of the leadership team.

And with no exaggeration one of the best players Scotland has ever produced. Shame he didn't get his chance with the Lions in the summer.

Watched him train with the Lions and he was pure class.

Scottrf wrote:

I have predicted Wales to win. Lets ignore that though.

I even pointed this out earlier in the week, which is why I thought it was all the more strange to see a few outbursts from you when I suggested Scotland wouldn't win by that much... I think this thread would have gone smoother were it not for English posters ruining it. Where's that guy TJ? He needs to get back here and accuse all the English of being trolls .

TightHEAD wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImYlu7THs9o

Hmmm.

Yeah no real excuse for that. A shocking hit, and a deserved red card. He also dived in the RWC. I'll post that one up too

https://youtu.be/wR_m6lBy-7w

He's a much changed man now, a father and vice captain for his country and one of the leadership team.

And with no exaggeration one of the best players Scotland has ever produced. Shame he didn't get his chance with the Lions in the summer.

Watched him train with the Lions and he was pure class.

I can't help but think that a combination of Williams, Hogg and Watson may have made just a tiny bit more of some of the chances the Lions had but sadly thanks to Connor Murray's assault we'll never know...

BamBam wrote:

You underestimated the ability of the Welsh to talk utter horse schit

You know, you shouldn't say that about a language your people spent hundreds of years trying to eradicate...

Ah fair enough mikey. If we're considering it as a point of view of someone not picking a side on merit and just saying I'll back my team no matter what. Though what would be the point to come on a discussion board if you can't actually judge players and discuss but just want to play a nationality card.

Evans
Owens
Lee
Gray
Not AWJ
Barclay
Watson
Moriarty
Davies
Russell
Evans
Parkes
Jones
Maitland
Hogg

That would be my composite team of those playing tomorrow

TightHEAD wrote:Watched him train with the Lions and he was pure class.

Apparently, Alex Cuthbert always trains well .

mikey_dragon wrote:If we're basing it on the weekend's teams (Scotland down 10 players in the front-row) then it's likely most would pick the Scarlets front-row. If Scotland had all their guys back from injury I don't think that would be the case. If we base it on just this weekend the team would look different, I think fans would favour the combo's they know best. Hey if you pick a Scarlets back-row you'd still see a Scottish player in there. And never thought I'd see the day a Scot vouches for AWJ .

AWJ is an amazing player when in form. He's been doing well for the Ospreys, in fact AWJ looked like the only player who cared. He was monstrously out of form and probably still injured at Lions selection time, hence the backlash from Scots and English fans who felt Gray and Launchbury deserved the spot instead.

BamBam, if not Alun Wyn Jones then would you pick instead, Wyn Jones?

mikey_dragon wrote:

BamBam wrote:

You underestimated the ability of the Welsh to talk utter horse schit

You know, you shouldn't say that about a language your people spent hundreds of years trying to eradicate...

I'm talking about the people speaking the language, not the language.

LD could probably talk nonsense in Braille, it would still be nonsense

mikey_dragon wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:Watched him train with the Lions and he was pure class.

Apparently, Alex Cuthbert always trains well .

No joke he does, but that lad needs to see a sports psychologist asap.

BamBam wrote:Evans
Owens
Lee
Gray
Not AWJ
Barclay
Watson
Moriarty
Davies
Russell
Evans
Parkes
Jones
Maitland
Hogg

That would be my composite team of those playing tomorrow

Playing... I agree. Hamish Watson is another player that is integral to the tempo and pace that Scotland need. Warburton for me is one of my favourite players. It's not just that he's such a nice guy, it's his work rate, tackling and position over the ball. I really rate Warburton. If I could get Barclay, Watson and Warbs as a backrow unit the breakdown would be an absolute mess, but I rate Faletau highly too.

G

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I would think it equally as stupid yes mikey.

Considering the loyalty of supporters to their teams, neither of those are that ridiculous. I imagine many Scots wouldn't want any Wales players in their team right now, except for Faletau. I'd definitely take Hogg and probably Seymour at this moment in time. Nobody else .

I think I'd take that Scarlets front row. In fact, my combination Scotland Wales xv

1. Evans
2. Owens
3. Lee
4. Gray
5. AWJ
6. Barclay
7. Warburton
8. Faletau
9. Webb
10. Russell
11. Williams
12. Davis
13. Huw Jones
14. Seymour
15. Hogg

Like the concept. 'Wotland'. Or 'Scales', perhaps. Playing in red and navy hoops! Strong.

Didn't we used to have games where Scotland and Ireland played against Wales and England?

They had some centenary games, didn't they. I remember some tries from those games made the '100 Greatest Tries' video

LordDowlais wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

IanBru wrote:Do you know when you leave the living room on Christmas day, and come back a few minutes later to find everyone sat in silence, and your uncle has got hold of the Drambuie? "No Uncle John, you can't call them that anymore.... [angry muttering] ...Well if you must know, the Equality Act says that is a 'protected characteristic' so, you really can't."

That's this, right here.

Edit: That's not a reference to you LD, even if Kinghorn over Hogg is utterly bats***.

LD, I'll bite, I've got nothing else on tonight. Kinghorn is great prospect, but I don't know how many try saving tackles Hogg has to make (without knocking himself senseless) he has to make to no longer be a defensive liability.

https://youtu.be/L8HuRV7CLkQ

https://youtu.be/gz8YoLHjDu4

https://youtu.be/fRVJeG4S5y4


And of course for comparison here is how not to tackle...

https://youtu.be/lX3ceTmAnsI

FFS mun. I just gave an opinion. Will you give over ?

You have shown three instances where Hogg has done his job, I bet there are a billion youtube clips with Hogg doing the opposite. I do not need to see those clips to know Hogg is prone to the odd mistake, or how Hogg turns the world alight, I have watched him enough times, he is a sublime player, I just do not think he is as good as some others.

You are correct - there are 5 people in the world considered better than him

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/uncapped-welshman-voted-among-top-14108141