Ulster Rugby 2017-2018 Part 2

by Hazel Sapling Wed 04 Apr 2018, 1:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ulster Rugby

Final Table
GP Points
Leinster 21 70
Scarlets 21 70
Edinburgh 21 68
Ulster 21 62
Benetton 21 55
Dragons 21 20
Kings 21 11

Season Outcome: Playoff for Champions Cup Spot

Ulster are in the Champions Cup

by **rodders** Thu 19 Apr 2018, 9:27 am

Pete330v2 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaah now KOTH's clue makes perfect sense.

?????

by Pete330v2 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 9:30 am

I'd not heard of the guy until Don's post but looking at his background he's got more experience at being head coach than anyone we've had in a long, long time. If there's a decent forwards coach and a defence coach to come with him we could have a decent chance of looking like a real rugby side next season.

by Pete330v2 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 9:44 am

rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaah now KOTH's clue makes perfect sense.

?????

KOTH on the UAFC, famous for his crytic clues had commented something like 'I wouldn't be surprised if a friend of Christian Lealiifano got the job'

He has actually started a thread on there to confirm that it is to be Friend and Peel and Dundon are going nowhere leaving us in need of a forwards coach and a defence coach. He has also said that he hopes his information is wrong and that we get someone like Wayne Smith instead.

by **George Carlin** Thu 19 Apr 2018, 9:53 am

Morning Ulster brothers. What sort of team do you think that you'll put out for the Glasgow game?

And how will they be playing?

by Standulstermen Thu 19 Apr 2018, 10:14 am

Warwick
best
kane
O'Connor
hendo
reidy
Timoney
Deysel
Cooney
McPhillips
Stockdale
McCloskey
cave
ludik
piutau

by **rodders** Thu 19 Apr 2018, 10:22 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaah now KOTH's clue makes perfect sense.

?????

KOTH on the UAFC, famous for his crytic clues had commented something like 'I wouldn't be surprised if a friend of Christian Lealiifano got the job'

He has actually started a thread on there to confirm that it is to be Friend and Peel and Dundon are going nowhere leaving us in need of a forwards coach and a defence coach. He has also said that he hopes his information is wrong and that we get someone like Wayne Smith instead.

Ha now i get it! Never heard of him but seems a decent fit.

by Pete330v2 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 11:09 am

rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:
rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaah now KOTH's clue makes perfect sense.

?????

KOTH on the UAFC, famous for his crytic clues had commented something like 'I wouldn't be surprised if a friend of Christian Lealiifano got the job'

He has actually started a thread on there to confirm that it is to be Friend and Peel and Dundon are going nowhere leaving us in need of a forwards coach and a defence coach. He has also said that he hopes his information is wrong and that we get someone like Wayne Smith instead.

Ha now i get it! Never heard of him but seems a decent fit.

He rarely gets things wrong. Long before the Lealiifano signing his clue was 'Will the new 10 be a Christian'. Very few made the now obvious connection and those that did were laughed at by a certain arrogant former poster on here.

by **rodders** Thu 19 Apr 2018, 11:19 am

Pete330v2 wrote:Very few made the now obvious connection and those that did were laughed at by a certain arrogant former poster on here.

Hey that is a vague one, give me a clue on that one too!

by Pete330v2 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 11:21 am

rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:Very few made the now obvious connection and those that did were laughed at by a certain arrogant former poster on here.

Hey that is a vague one, give me a clue on that one too!

Well it could be almost anyone really LOL. No I won't point the finger Rodders, lets just say I'm glad he's foouked orf Smile

by marty2086 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 11:21 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:Aaaaaaaaaah now KOTH's clue makes perfect sense.

?????

KOTH on the UAFC, famous for his crytic clues had commented something like 'I wouldn't be surprised if a friend of Christian Lealiifano got the job'

He has actually started a thread on there to confirm that it is to be Friend and Peel and Dundon are going nowhere leaving us in need of a forwards coach and a defence coach. He has also said that he hopes his information is wrong and that we get someone like Wayne Smith instead.

Dundon to maybe take on more than just the scrum?

But given how our attack and scrum have performed at times, they wouldn't be a huge loss if they left

by Standulstermen Thu 19 Apr 2018, 11:29 am

Payne for defence. Leave dundon the scrum. We definitely need another forwards coach

by marty2086 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 12:35 pm

Standulstermen wrote:Payne for defence.

Anyone know when Farrells working with the squad?

I wonder if part of his brief will be to assess Payne

by Don Alfonso Thu 19 Apr 2018, 12:36 pm

Maybe. What I would say is that I don't give a toss about anyone's pedigree these days.

by marty2086 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 12:58 pm

Pedigree is nothing without the right ideas, those who have went before may not be bad coaches just not the right coaches for Ulster.

Some may have their template and stick to it and it's not the right fit but what Ulster need is someone who will have the right template for Ulster or preferably someone who will adapt their ideas to what Ulster need and that seems to be something we don't seem to either be looking for or know what it looks like to find it

by The Great Aukster Thu 19 Apr 2018, 1:01 pm

News Letter is speculating on the Plank coming as forwards coach - could do a lot worse!

by marty2086 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 1:05 pm

Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

by marty2086 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 3:45 pm

Paul Marshall has announced that he will retire from professional rugby at the end of the current season.
The 32-year-old graduated from the Academy to a senior Ulster contract in 2006, making his debut for the team against Newport Gwent Dragons in September of that year.

A familiar face to the Kingspan Stadium faithful, Marshall has amassed 204 caps for the Province, scoring 24 tries. He has also earned three Ireland caps.

Commenting on his decision, Marshall said:

"Ulster Rugby has been a massive part of my life and I'm grateful to have been involved with the squad for the last 12 years.

"There's no doubt that I will be sad to leave as I love the club and the people here. I would love to continue playing, but there comes a point for everyone to move on and seek new challenges and that time has arrived for me.

"I've been incredibly proud to represent the people of Ulster and it's brought great joy to me personally, but also to my family and friends. I'd like to thank those closest to me for the support they have offered throughout my career.

"I'm also extremely thankful to the players, the staff and the supporters for the memories that I will carry with me for the rest of my life. I have met some amazing people along the way and we have enjoyed some amazing moments together.

Bryn Cunningham, Ulster's Operations Director, paid tribute to Marshall:

"Paul has been an absolute pleasure to work alongside. I was still playing here when Paul first joined the squad and it's been brilliant to see him develop into a player that would ultimately go on to represent his home province over 200 times.

"He has delivered some big performances in an Ulster jersey over the years and he can be proud of his playing career. Paul is a very popular member of the squad and his presence will definitely be missed in the seasons ahead.

"I know that Paul has the skills and personality to be a success in his career outside of rugby and I wish him and his family well."

by The Great Aukster Thu 19 Apr 2018, 5:25 pm

marty2086 wrote:Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

The only criterion is 'value' and in this context should always be singular.

by Don Alfonso Thu 19 Apr 2018, 8:08 pm

So long Paul Marshall.

Not a great player. But if all our players were as dedicated and hard-working as him, we'd be hoping for a home play-off right now.

by Standulstermen Thu 19 Apr 2018, 8:10 pm

Indeed. You could never doubt his heart. His talent and head plenty. At least for remembering the tap and go against Bordeaux that cost us a LBP and gave them a TBP we can remember the tap and go that got us the five points against Leicester at ravenhill

by marty2086 Thu 19 Apr 2018, 9:55 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

The only criterion is 'value' and in this context should always be singular.

My point is, after firing two guys for their language it's hardly in keeping with the same values to hire someone who's language actually crossed into hate speech along with other issues though that's only if the sponsors are aware I suppose

by The Great Aukster Thu 19 Apr 2018, 10:14 pm

Know exactly what your point is, but the IRFU have shown they don't care too much unless it has a bad effect on their bank balance.

by **rodders** Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:46 am

Don Alfonso wrote:So long Paul Marshall.

Not a great player. But if all our players were as dedicated and hard-working as him, we'd be hoping for a home play-off right now.

I think Marshall was very underrated at his peak, at one point for me he was not far behind Reddan as the best scrum half in the country and probably should have had a few more caps around that period 09-13.

I think the main issue was his peak overlapped with the omnipresent Pienaar so perhaps didn't get as many minutes onfield to develop his game management and flaws in his game.

Obviously he'll be remembered for his pace and tries but his box kicking was world class, defensively he was strong and actually had very quick service off the base that would have suited the way we play now. For sure his decision making wasn't up to scratch and he alternated between the sublime and rediculous.

Anyway another stalwart moves on, best of luck in retirement.

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:46 am

I just hope if it happens the hypocrisy is highlighted by the media

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:49 am

The gift that keeps on giving

Rugby writers deny supporting Ulster in barring news journalists

Decision to bar some members of the press came in the wake of r*** trial furore

Rugby journalists covering the sport have written to Ulster Rugby seeking clarification of an email sent out claiming Ulster Rugby had consulted them before restricting a press conference that took place on Tuesday to just regular weekly attendees.

This resulted in news organisations being denied entry to what have traditionally been open press events.

Following the intense media interest in the wake of the trial involving Ulster rugby players Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding, Ulster Rugby sent a statement to the Press Association (PA) claiming a decision to ban entry to some members of the press was taken because questions regarding Jackson and Olding negatively impacted the work of regular journalists.

On March 28th Olding and Jackson were cleared of raping a woman in 2016. Two of their friends were also acquitted on related charges.

“The attendance of non-sport journalists at recent match week media events has caused significant disruption to regular attendees, who have been negatively impacted to the extent that they have been unable to access sufficient information and content for the days leading up to that week’s game,” said the Ulster Rugby statement.

“Therefore, following consultation with regular press conference attendees, it was decided that access to this week’s event would be restricted to sport journalists only.”

This has been disputed by the body of journalists, who number 11 and regularly cover the Ulster Rugby beat. They claim in the email sent to Ulster Rugby on Thursday that they were not formally consulted about the matter and that they would not agree to any decision taken that prevented other journalists from attending Ulster Rugby press conferences.

The controversial decision to ban reporters this week left the PA unable to cover the media event, as they have no sports reporters based in Ireland.

It is understood that Ulster Rugby decided to exclude news reporters because of their view that too many questions about the fallout from Jackson and Olding’s high-profile trial were asked at an Easter Monday pre-match press conference.

Thursday’s email requested Ulster Rugby to reply before close of business. However no official reply was received.

In other news Ulster are to get a new logo Ulster Rugby 2017-2018 Part 2 - Page 4 Shooti10

by **rodders** Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:53 am

Pete330v2 wrote:
rodders wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:Very few made the now obvious connection and those that did were laughed at by a certain arrogant former poster on here.

Hey that is a vague one, give me a clue on that one too!

Well it could be almost anyone really LOL. No I won't point the finger Rodders, lets just say I'm glad he's foouked orf

Is that the clue? Darn this is a tricky one...

by geoff999rugby Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:55 am

marty2086 wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

The only criterion is 'value' and in this context should always be singular.

My point is, after firing two guys for their language it's hardly in keeping with the same values to hire someone who's language actually crossed into hate speech along with other issues though that's only if the sponsors are aware I suppose

They were not fired for their language - a myth that needs nipping in the bud.
The WhatApp stuff is irrelevant.

They have gone because of the publicity surrounding the trial - nothing more nothing less

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:57 am

geoff999rugby wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

The only criterion is 'value' and in this context should always be singular.

My point is, after firing two guys for their language it's hardly in keeping with the same values to hire someone who's language actually crossed into hate speech along with other issues though that's only if the sponsors are aware I suppose

They were not fired for their language - a myth that needs nipping in the bud.
The WhatApp stuff is irrelevant.

They have gone because of the publicity surrounding the trial - nothing more nothing less

I don't think it was even the publicity, it was the kick back from groups over the verdict, it was an extrajudicial punishment to satisfy the baying mob hence why Gilroy is still employed and the mob is satisfied

by geoff999rugby Fri 20 Apr 2018, 1:51 pm

Andrew Friend is NOT our new coach

by jimbopip Fri 20 Apr 2018, 2:12 pm

marty2086 wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

The only criterion is 'value' and in this context should always be singular.

My point is, after firing two guys for their language it's hardly in keeping with the same values to hire someone who's language actually crossed into hate speech along with other issues though that's only if the sponsors are aware I suppose

They were not fired for their language - a myth that needs nipping in the bud.
The WhatApp stuff is irrelevant.

They have gone because of the publicity surrounding the trial - nothing more nothing less

I don't think it was even the publicity, it was the kick back from groups over the verdict, it was an extrajudicial punishment to satisfy the baying mob hence why Gilroy is still employed and the mob is satisfied

At the risk of intruding in private grief...

The behaviour of Messrs Jackson and Olding (and all the other young men involved) was , to quote a female Glasgow fan "abhorrent". It's not so much the language but the thought processes that finds expression in that language.
There is nothing in the way those men conducted themselves from start to finish: from sitting in the roped off enclosure of a night club and inviting hopeful young women in to join them tolying in their teeth to cover themselves that reflects well on Ulster Rugby Club.
If the press are to be believed Rory Best and a couple of other players flew back from Dublin mid 6 Nations to sit in the court in club blazer and tie "to support their team mates". I'm sure that had an effect on the eight men who made up the majority of the jury. If it had been eight women and three men deliberating do you honestly think Jackson and Olding would be free men today?

They have been sacked because of their behaviour. It was abhorrent. Live with it, guys.

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 2:14 pm

The risk of looking like an uninformed idiot should be what you worry about since you have got the facts wrong on pretty much everything you said

by Standulstermen Fri 20 Apr 2018, 3:01 pm

Have to say jimbopip that is a massive load of nonsense. Theres a specific thread for it too so keep it off this one please (goes for others too). I just worry they weren't too jetlagged during their flight personally.

by Standulstermen Fri 20 Apr 2018, 3:04 pm

Geoff

Yes it seems KOtH had it wrong. According to someone else its none of the names that have been mentioned which is somewhat hopeful. Scott Robertson come on down!!!!!

by geoff999rugby Fri 20 Apr 2018, 3:30 pm

He got Aaron Hall wrong as well.

My impression is someone with contacts but poor judgement

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 3:35 pm

Standulstermen wrote:
Geoff

Yes it seems KOtH had it wrong. According to someone else its none of the names that have been mentioned which is somewhat hopeful. Scott Robertson come on down!!!!!

There's hope then, Robertsons been linked to Quins, hopefully his history with the province sways him Fingers Crossed

by Collapse2005 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 3:39 pm

jimbopip wrote:

At the risk of intruding in private grief...

The behaviour of Messrs Jackson and Olding (and all the other young men involved) was , to quote a female Glasgow fan "abhorrent". It's not so much the language but the thought processes that finds expression in that language.
There is nothing in the way those men conducted themselves from start to finish: from sitting in the roped off enclosure of a night club and inviting hopeful young women in to join them tolying in their teeth to cover themselves that reflects well on Ulster Rugby Club.
If the press are to be believed Rory Best and a couple of other players flew back from Dublin mid 6 Nations to sit in the court in club blazer and tie "to support their team mates". I'm sure that had an effect on the eight men who made up the majority of the jury. If it had been eight women and three men deliberating do you honestly think Jackson and Olding would be free men today?

They have been sacked because of their behaviour. It was abhorrent. Live with it, guys.

Lol.

I literally cant understand why people keep bringing up Rory Best. If anyone had a friend who was in court on r*** charges and you believed them to be innocent you would support them. I would anyway. Why wouldnt you trust your friends? Thats why they are friends.

Everyone has a right to privacy and a private life except politicians (in Irish law anyway) so the virtue signalling around Best attending the trial is baffling. He has a right to live his life like everyone else.

by jimbopip Fri 20 Apr 2018, 4:06 pm

Thanks for your reply, Collapse. It is honest and respectful, much appreciated.

However, without getting all Umberto Eco and diving headfirst into semiotics...you or me sitting in a court to support our mates is one thing.Unless the jury and accused knew who we were we would pretty much be invisible to them The Ulster and Ireland captain sitting there wearing the official blazer and tie signifies something completely different.I'm not sure what the exact opposite of invisible is in this context, but the symbolism of his role as a captain and the support he was giving implies, as you say belief in his mates' innocence. How could this not be said to influence a trial which very much came down to one person's word against another's (or a group of people in this case)?

Everyone has a right to privacy and a private life except politicians

Also, what most people find abhorrent (or at least one of the things) about this case is that these young men chose to make something that most of us consider a very private affair into a group, and thereby public, activity. By the way, I know I am from a generation whose attitudes towards sex were not shaped to a greater or lesser extent by online pornography but who wants to be looking into a teammates eyes at the point of ejaculation. And then boast about it? Roasting is about power and the abuse of it in a relationship.
At the best possible reading, for Jackson and Olding, this young lady willingly consented to being "roasted". They then boasted about their conquest. It also seems that they boasted about this being a regular occurrence. Tell me that (A) they were keeping this private or (B) that this behaviour isn't abhorrent.
Last Friday my wife managed to book us for dinner with friends. So the husband of the couple and myself adjourned to the living room to watch Glasgow v Connacht as soon as we had shovelled the food down. At the end of the match he was saying how impressed he was with the Glasgow players for staying on the field to meet the young fans and chat, give autographs and take selfies with them. At that point I asked myself, would I be happy if either Jackson or Olding were there. (N.B. they are both very good players and after last season's Glasgow Ulster match my youngest son was raving about Jackson). But the honest answer is their behaviour is such that I could not watch Glasgow if they ever played for them.
They are not being sacked because of some dark anti Ulster conspiracy but because they behaviour was abhorrent and contrary to the ethos of any institution which espouses "family values".

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 4:14 pm

So after telling you you are an uninformed idiot, you go ahead and repeat the stupid stuff you had previously said?

jimbopip wrote:
The Ulster and Ireland captain sitting there wearing the official blazer and tie signifies something completely different.I'm not sure what the exact opposite of invisible is in this context, but the symbolism of his role as a captain and the support he was giving implies, as you say belief in his mates' innocence. How could this not be said to influence a trial which very much came down to one person's word against another's (or a group of people in this case).

He wasn't wearing the official tie and blazer, he was even wearing a blazer or tie, there are pictures, they were plastered everywhere.

He was also directed to be there by lawyers, we know this because a f*cking judge said so

So bore off

by neilthom7 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 4:22 pm

There is a seperate thread for that Jim please take the discussion over there.

by Collapse2005 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 4:26 pm

I think you have given false information. Any image of Best at the trial I have seen he was wearing his own clothes, no badges, no blazers no ties. I couldnt care less if he is the captain of Ireland he is still a citizen and a human and deserves the same rights and respect as everyone else.

You are also very wrong about the whatsapp group. It isnt public, it isnt social media and the only reason there is any legal basis for a private whatsapp group to be come public is if it is willingly made public by the group or its contents formed part of the evidence of a trial. Whatsapp is not public and therefore protected under data privacy laws. I also dont care about what they said in a private group as they are just words, horrible words but not meant for public consumption which we are all guilty of at some point. If you dig deep enough all humans are flawed.

John 7:53–8:11 - They bring in a woman, accusing her of committing adultery. Jesus says to the Pharisees that the one who is without sin is the one who should cast the first stone. Everyone slinks away because your conscience should be worth 100 witnesses but for some people these days conscience is not enough and hypocracy is rife.

by Standulstermen Fri 20 Apr 2018, 5:04 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Standulstermen wrote:
Geoff

Yes it seems KOtH had it wrong. According to someone else its none of the names that have been mentioned which is somewhat hopeful. Scott Robertson come on down!!!!!

There's hope then, Robertsons been linked to Quins, hopefully his history with the province sways him

My thoughts were that Robertson was a pipe dream but i suppose if the likes of Schmidt and Gatland return to NZ he could find himself down the pecking order. I'd throw money at him tbh and whatever team he wanted. He can bring whitelock with him too

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 5:14 pm

Standulstermen wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
Standulstermen wrote:
Geoff

Yes it seems KOtH had it wrong. According to someone else its none of the names that have been mentioned which is somewhat hopeful. Scott Robertson come on down!!!!!

There's hope then, Robertsons been linked to Quins, hopefully his history with the province sways him

My thoughts were that Robertson was a pipe dream but i suppose if the likes of Schmidt and Gatland return to NZ he could find himself down the pecking order. I'd throw money at him tbh and whatever team he wanted. He can bring whitelock with him too

I don't think he'll leave Crusaders just yet, he's only into his second season with another year on his contract. Quins have a link up with the NZRU though so that could be a big factor for them but he did play for Ards 25 years ago and speaks fondly of his time here so maybe...just maybe

by geoff999rugby Fri 20 Apr 2018, 5:18 pm

Now I know we are in crises

Sparky is leaving Tumbleweed

by neilthom7 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 5:38 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Now I know we are in crises

Sparky is leaving

Did he get offered a better contract elsewhere? Don't tell me we are getting leo the lion as a short term irish qualified replacement

by Don Alfonso Fri 20 Apr 2018, 6:17 pm

jimbopip wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Would someone found guilty of racist abuse and banned for fighting and using cocaine fit with the IRFU and Ulsters values?

The only criterion is 'value' and in this context should always be singular.

My point is, after firing two guys for their language it's hardly in keeping with the same values to hire someone who's language actually crossed into hate speech along with other issues though that's only if the sponsors are aware I suppose

They were not fired for their language - a myth that needs nipping in the bud.
The WhatApp stuff is irrelevant.

They have gone because of the publicity surrounding the trial - nothing more nothing less

I don't think it was even the publicity, it was the kick back from groups over the verdict, it was an extrajudicial punishment to satisfy the baying mob hence why Gilroy is still employed and the mob is satisfied

At the risk of intruding in private grief...

The behaviour of Messrs Jackson and Olding (and all the other young men involved) was , to quote a female Glasgow fan "abhorrent". It's not so much the language but the thought processes that finds expression in that language.
There is nothing in the way those men conducted themselves from start to finish: from sitting in the roped off enclosure of a night club and inviting hopeful young women in to join them tolying in their teeth to cover themselves that reflects well on Ulster Rugby Club.
If the press are to be believed Rory Best and a couple of other players flew back from Dublin mid 6 Nations to sit in the court in club blazer and tie "to support their team mates". I'm sure that had an effect on the eight men who made up the majority of the jury. If it had been eight women and three men deliberating do you honestly think Jackson and Olding would be free men today?

They have been sacked because of their behaviour. It was abhorrent. Live with it, guys.

Just as a wee note, most barristers would tell you that more women on a jury means a r*** defendant is likely to be found innocent, as male jurors tend to be more protective of the complainant, but female jurors tend to be more critical of the complainant's behaviour.

That's anecdotal, bit scientifically - https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/stanford-r***-case-female-dominated-juries-less-likely-to-convict-in-r***-cases-404525.html

by Don Alfonso Fri 20 Apr 2018, 6:56 pm

That link won't work because the r a p e word in the link address has been replaced with r****.

by The Great Aukster Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:06 pm

Don Alfonso, the lynch mob have spoken so don't spoil it with something as inconsequential as the truth. I hope all the Glasgow fans coming over realise how careful they have to be in Belfast, in case they are found not guilty of something.

by The Great Aukster Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:14 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Now I know we are in crises

Sparky is leaving

Logan is a man in a suit, hides his face, and usually has his tail between his legs... is he Sparky?

Yahoo

by **George Carlin** Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:49 pm

George Carlin wrote:Morning Ulster brothers. What sort of team do you think that you'll put out for the Glasgow game?

And how will they be playing?

by marty2086 Fri 20 Apr 2018, 9:54 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Now I know we are in crises

Sparky is leaving

At this rate it's only going to be Logan left and whoever he has fronting up for him

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