Scotland's 2018 Summer Tour: Darien Scheme 2.0

by Tramptastic Mon 30 Apr 2018, 1:06 pm

First topic message reminder :

Sunday 10th June 2018

Canada Vs Scotland

Sunday 17th June 2018

America Vs Scotland

Saturday 23rd June 2018

Argentina Vs Scotland

With an eye on the summer tour, whilst also keeping in mind the season isn't over for either of our pro teams - who would you "rest" for the summer tour and who would you bring along in their place?

I'd leave Russell, Price, WP Nel, Hogg, Dunbar, Barclay and Huw Jones purely because those guys have had extremely long seasons, are coming back from long term injuries and/or rarely (if ever) get a full pre-season with their clubs under their belts.

Dunbar is made of glass and could probably do with a summer of conditioning, same with WP Nel

Hogg, Jones and Russell have all had long seasons (lions tours/southern hemisphere seasons) and look a bit jaded.

Price is just off form and could do with some down time.

Barclay is getting on - would not like to injure our captain against America/Canada

With a world cup next year giving all of these guys a full pre-season could pay off in the long term.

Would also allow Townsend to have a closer look at Kinghorn, SHC/Horne (ideally take both and tell Fowles to f3ck off), Grigg, Chris Dean/Johnston/Bennett, Fagerson/Berghan/Mccalum, Bradbury.

Thoughts?

by **RDW** Mon 18 Jun 2018, 4:00 pm

That list was copied from the SRU press release - I don't think he was meant to be included in it!

by **BigGee** Mon 18 Jun 2018, 5:07 pm

It was amended by the time the BBC picked it up, Jones out and Fife in.

The back row situation is what it is, we only have three players left there, so either a hooker, Brown you would imagine, or a second row, Swinson or Carmichael, is going to be covering.

With two big lumps like Denton and Bradbury in already, I think I would prefer Brown to Swinson, he knows how to jackle and win turnovers.

by jimbopip Mon 18 Jun 2018, 5:26 pm

So, in the squad of 28 we have three back rowers and one no 10. Shocked

Hastings to start with Furra Linee at 12 with Lange benching? Or will it be whichever permutation the Tombola chucks out?
I'm leaning towards 10 Horne 12 Lange Hastings to get splinters.

Also, Rambo can play 7 so he might bench and provide back row cover.

by **RDW** Mon 18 Jun 2018, 5:29 pm

jimbopip wrote:So, in the squad of 28 we have three back rowers and one no 10.

Hastings to start with Furra Linee at 12 with Lange benching? Or will it be whichever permutation the Tombola chucks out?
I'm leaning towards 10 Horne 12 Lange Hastings to get splinters.

Also, Rambo can play 7 so he might bench and provide back row cover.

Rambo has barely played 7 in his whole career! He was a 6/8 when in the backrow.

Can see Brown covering back row since he was given that job against USA.

by jimbopip Mon 18 Jun 2018, 5:43 pm

Admin Boy, abandon your antiquated, hidebound ways.
Toonie knows Rambo is a 7.
Gilchrist is a 9
And Finn Russell can be the next Tom Smith.

Get with the times, man.

by tigertattie Mon 18 Jun 2018, 8:35 pm

Brown will cover 6 with Ritchie playing the 80 in South America.

Failing that, Carmichael will go to 6 where he's played a fair bit for Edinburgh. Swinson will bench to cover lock. He's lucky to even be bench cover these days.

This being said, when toonie turns on the South American dance music to get him pumped for the tombola, anything could happen

by **RDW** Wed 20 Jun 2018, 8:47 am

The chat in the press this morning is that we'll see Horne at 10 with Laing at 12. Hopefully that's combined with Bennett at 13 who has made good impact off the bench.

by Eejit Wed 20 Jun 2018, 9:39 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:The chat in the press this morning is that we'll see Horne at 10 with Laing at 12. Hopefully that's combined with Bennett at 13 who has made good impact off the bench.

*other than dropping a game winning try over the try line in a moment of peak luvvie.

by Leander Wed 20 Jun 2018, 9:41 am

Eejit wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:The chat in the press this morning is that we'll see Horne at 10 with Laing at 12. Hopefully that's combined with Bennett at 13 who has made good impact off the bench.

*other than dropping a game winning try over the try line in a moment of peak luvvie.

Actually, I think Peak Luvvie this season was winning the 1872 Cup. Again.

by **RDW** Wed 20 Jun 2018, 9:46 am

Not sure he dropped it - was it not knocked out his hands?

On that point, there were a few incidents of the ball being knocked out of a player's hands while trying to score a try - does anyone know the laws on this as I thought it was illegal to knock a ball out of someone's hands?

by Eejit Wed 20 Jun 2018, 10:07 am

Leander wrote:
Eejit wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:The chat in the press this morning is that we'll see Horne at 10 with Laing at 12. Hopefully that's combined with Bennett at 13 who has made good impact off the bench.

*other than dropping a game winning try over the try line in a moment of peak luvvie.

Actually, I think Peak Luvvie this season was winning the 1872 Cup. Again.

Touché.

On the point from Admin boy, I think that is right. I recall in the Glasgow Munster Pro12 final all those years ago Keith Earls getting away with knocking the ball out of play to stop a try. The referee ruled it unintentional while the beard to be feared argued against it.

by SecretFly Wed 20 Jun 2018, 10:39 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Not sure he dropped it - was it not knocked out his hands?

On that point, there were a few incidents of the ball being knocked out of a player's hands while trying to score a try - does anyone know the laws on this as I thought it was illegal to knock a ball out of someone's hands?

???

I'm only using Wales as an example (because to me observing them, they are one of the most dogged and skilled at the exercise) but don't they, or haven't they in the past as a side perfected the idea of tackling the ball more than the man and ensuring that even as they attack/tackle the player, their eyes and hands are determinedly trying to extract that ball from his possession - by tugging it, fisting it, slapping it etc, etc?
Now even if you argue that such tactics are designed to 'steal' a ball, I'd say that much of it is simply designed to cut the ball lose to make it a competition between the two sides for regaining possession or codding the ref into thinking 'knock-on' by the player in possession.

Now you're suggesting all that stuff was illegal all along? I want a lorryful of historic games to be replayed now!

by **RDW** Wed 20 Jun 2018, 11:28 am

The thing is, if you knock the ball out of a scrum half's hands at a ruck - even if you're onside - you get penalised for it. How should that be any different from knocking the ball out of a player's hands when they're trig to score a try? Whatever the exact rules on this, IMO it's not within the spirit of the game to use this as a means to stop a try being scored.

This is different from trying to steal the ball in a tackle - that takes strength and technique to extract it from a player's arms, and is totally legal. If you tried to slab the ball in a tackle you wouldn't have much success!

by tigertattie Wed 20 Jun 2018, 11:55 am

The law is an odd one.

The law states:

It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward

A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm.

The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm

So basically you can knock the ball out of an opponents hand so long as the ball goes backwards or if you cause your opponent to knock the ball forwards.

Another one where the law needs cleared up as this is saying a cover tackler can knock the ball out of your arms and so long as the ball moves towards the tacklers goal line then its game on!

by IanBru Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:07 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:This is different from trying to steal the ball in a tackle - that takes strength and technique to extract it from a player's arms, and is totally legal. If you tried to slap the ball in a tackle you wouldn't have much success!

Oooh err, missus.

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by Pat_Mustard Wed 20 Jun 2018, 2:39 pm

There's also a specific law against trying to kick the ball out of a player's hands as they are reaching out to score a try, but it happens all the time and I've never seen it penalised.

On the Keith Earls one, it would be illegal to deliberately knock the ball out of play, but just knocking out of the opponent's hands is fine.

by **RDW** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 9:45 am

Team announced at lunchtime.

by bsando Thu 21 Jun 2018, 10:12 am

ignoring selections and the fact Wales won both games Vs Argentina, I'dreally just like to see Scotland find that killer edge this weekend and not get complacent when up on the score board. It would also be great to see the team deal with problems in a positive way rather than getting shaken and losing their attacking edge.

by Hazel Sapling Thu 21 Jun 2018, 12:03 pm

Scotland Team for Argentina

Dell - McInally (C) - Berghan (Bhatti - Turner - Fagerson)
Swinson - Gilchrist (Toolis)
Bradbury - Denton - Brown (Ritchie)

Horne - Hastings (SHC)
Horne - Grigg (Lang)
Kinghorn - Hogg - Fife (Harris)

I get that Brown is a good 7, but at international level, we surely should be seeing what we have with Ritchie. Surely Smith could have been called up or M Fagerson could have stayed on tour.

Other than that and Swinson (ad nauseam), I agree with the calls he has made

by **NeilyBroon** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 12:33 pm

Really don't see it with Swinson - what do the Scotland coaches see in him? Good club player but definitely has been usurped at int. level. Toolis should be on the field and Swinson benchwarming at best - though I'd have Carmichael in as he does all the things Swinson does but better.

Fraser Brown at 7... why? Why not Ritchie?? An inexperienced flanker is still better than an experienced hooker playing in a position he used to play imo.

Hastings needs to show his best now, I hope that Horne outside will help him grow in confidence a bit. Shame Lang isn't starting at 12 but I can see why Toonie wants Horne there - 10 is our more urgent requirement at the moment so the more gametime Hastings gets the better, hopefully he'll be first choice in Glasgow soon.

Otherwise a decent enough side. I expect we'll squeeze past Argentina so long as Hastings has a good game. Do not want to see Harris on the pitch unless we're closing out a decent lead. He can't be our back-up at 13, we have 2 better options in Scott and Bennett.

by **George Carlin** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 12:53 pm

Official baws:

Scotland tour captain Stuart McInally has recovered from injury to feature in the national team's third and final Test match against Argentina at the Estadio Centenario this Saturday (23 June, kick-off 4.40pm; 8.40pm UK time) – live on Channel 4.

The Edinburgh hooker has been given the all-clear to start in Resistencia having been ruled out of the first and second Tests against Canada and USA by a calf strain sustained on the eve of the tour.

McInally is one of eight changes to the starting side named today by Head Coach Gregor Townsend, six of which accompany him in the pack where Tim Swinson is the only forward to be retained from last weekend’s loss to USA – albeit as a second-row this time round.

Edinburgh props Allan Dell and Simon Berghan return to join McInally in the front-row, with lock and vice-captain Grant Gilchrist coming in to partner Swinson.

A new back-row trio is also named, with Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh), David Denton (Leicester Tigers) and Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) selected in the loose forwards.

It will be the third time that Brown – typically a hooker – will operate on the openside for his country, having twice featured off the bench in the role for Scotland against USA, last weekend and in Rugby World Cup 2015.

The only change to the backs sees Edinburgh wing Dougie Fife – try-scorer against USA last weekend – promoted from the bench to earn his first start since 2015, alongside returning outside backs Stuart Hogg (vice-captain) and Blair Kinghorn.

Scotland Head Coach Gregor Townsend, said: “The players have responded well in training this week with focus, effort and accuracy. This is our last Test of the tour and we’re determined to finish on a high.

“With the majority of the squad involved in two Tests, we believe that we’ll be in a much better position in the future, having exposed more players to Test-level rugby, for the season ahead and beyond.

“We’ve learned a lot on this tour about this group of players. Now we have to use that learning to put in a very good performance to beat Argentina on their home patch.

“We’re looking forward to a passionate atmosphere in a football stadium with the crowd very close to the pitch.

“Argentina will bring their passion and physicality where they have traditionally been strong – set piece, ball carrying and in the contact area.

"They also have a host of excellent attacking players, and the last few seasons have seen a much more expansive brand of rugby since joining the Rugby Championship and, more recently, the performances of Jaguares in Super Rugby.”

The team is completed by Glasgow Warriors pair Pete Horne and Nick Grigg who will again form the midfield, with half backs Adam Hastings (stand-off) and George Horne (scrum-half) reinstated at half-back.

Scotland and Argentina and have met 16 times in their history, with the Scot’s record standing at won seven, lost nine.

Excluding the two matches on neutral grounds (Rugby World Cup 2007 and 2011), the head-to-head count over 14 Tests is split evenly at seven apiece.

Momentum stands in the favour of the Scots, however, who have won the last three meetings between the sides in Cordoba (2014) and Edinburgh (2014 and 2016).

Scotland team to face Argentina at the Estadio Centenario, Resistencia
Kick-off 4.40pm, 8.40pm UK time – live on Channel 4
15. Stuart Hogg VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 61 caps

14. Dougie Fife (Edinburgh) – 7 caps
13. Nick Grigg (Glasgow Warriors) – 5 caps
12. Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 34 caps
11. Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 4 caps

10. Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
9. George Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 1 cap

1. Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 12 caps
2. Stuart McInally CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 17 caps
3. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 9 caps
4. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 37 caps
5. Grant Gilchrist VICE CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 24 caps
6. Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh) – 3 caps
7. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 33 caps
8. David Denton (Leicester Tigers) – 41 caps

Substitutes:
16. George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 4 caps
17. Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 10 caps
18. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 17 caps
19. Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 11 caps
20. Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Scarlets) – 11 caps
22. James Lang (Harlequins) – 1 cap
23. Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 3 caps

by **George Carlin** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 12:55 pm

Glad Toonie didn't swap out the half backs - need to give them some sort of continuity.

He did fine on the 7s circuit but I have never seen anything to suggest that Sir Dougie of Fife is a test class winger.

God bless Tiny Tim. He is a trier. I can only assume he is retained in the touring party because he sleeps in a matchbox inside one of Bhatti's sock and Dodson doesn't need to spring for the cost of hotel room.

by **NeilyBroon** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:09 pm

George Carlin wrote:Glad Toonie didn't swap out the half backs - need to give them some sort of continuity.

He did fine on the 7s circuit but I have never seen anything to suggest that Sir Dougie of Fife is a test class winger.

God bless Tiny Tim. He is a trier. I can only assume he is retained in the touring party because he sleeps in a matchbox inside one of Bhatti's sock and Dodson doesn't need to spring for the cost of hotel room.

I think Dougie Fife proves Einsteins theory of relativity, next to McGuigan he is world class.

by demosthenes Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:24 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:Really don't see it with Swinson - what do the Scotland coaches see in him? Good club player but definitely has been usurped at int. level. Toolis should be on the field and Swinson benchwarming at best - though I'd have Carmichael in as he does all the things Swinson does but better.

Fraser Brown at 7... why? Why not Ritchie?? An inexperienced flanker is still better than an experienced hooker playing in a position he used to play imo.

Hastings needs to show his best now, I hope that Horne outside will help him grow in confidence a bit. Shame Lang isn't starting at 12 but I can see why Toonie wants Horne there - 10 is our more urgent requirement at the moment so the more gametime Hastings gets the better, hopefully he'll be first choice in Glasgow soon.

Otherwise a decent enough side. I expect we'll squeeze past Argentina so long as Hastings has a good game. Do not want to see Harris on the pitch unless we're closing out a decent lead. He can't be our back-up at 13, we have 2 better options in Scott and Bennett.

Actually, in some ways I think that this shows confidence in Ritchie. GT is looking at the world cup squad. In which you need to have what, four, hookers? So how much better is it to have a third / fourth choice who can also genuinely play elsewhere than a specialist who cannot be deployed against the 'weaker' teams. If he thinks he doesn't need to see Ritchie starting it is because he thinks he knows enough about him.

Well, he could be thinking that way...!

by EWT Spoons Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:28 pm

George Carlin wrote:Glad Toonie didn't swap out the half backs - need to give them some sort of continuity.

He did fine on the 7s circuit but I have never seen anything to suggest that Sir Dougie of Fife is a test class winger.

God bless Tiny Tim. He is a trier. I can only assume he is retained in the touring party because he sleeps in a matchbox inside one of Bhatti's sock and Dodson doesn't need to spring for the cost of hotel room.

Dougie has done really well for Edinburgh this season, not sure if he's cut out for stepping up to international level, but he's probably earned a shot

by EWT Spoons Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:29 pm

demosthenes wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:Really don't see it with Swinson - what do the Scotland coaches see in him? Good club player but definitely has been usurped at int. level. Toolis should be on the field and Swinson benchwarming at best - though I'd have Carmichael in as he does all the things Swinson does but better.

Fraser Brown at 7... why? Why not Ritchie?? An inexperienced flanker is still better than an experienced hooker playing in a position he used to play imo.

Hastings needs to show his best now, I hope that Horne outside will help him grow in confidence a bit. Shame Lang isn't starting at 12 but I can see why Toonie wants Horne there - 10 is our more urgent requirement at the moment so the more gametime Hastings gets the better, hopefully he'll be first choice in Glasgow soon.

Otherwise a decent enough side. I expect we'll squeeze past Argentina so long as Hastings has a good game. Do not want to see Harris on the pitch unless we're closing out a decent lead. He can't be our back-up at 13, we have 2 better options in Scott and Bennett.

Actually, in some ways I think that this shows confidence in Ritchie. GT is looking at the world cup squad. In which you need to have what, four, hookers? So how much better is it to have a third / fourth choice who can also genuinely play elsewhere than a specialist who cannot be deployed against the 'weaker' teams. If he thinks he doesn't need to see Ritchie starting it is because he thinks he knows enough about him.

Well, he could be thinking that way...!

Could be right.

Also, could be thinking that Ritchie coming on against a tiring Pumas pack, could really help secure some ball and he's decent with ball in hand.

Ritchie coming on around 60th min and directly responsible for 3 Scottish tries...heard it here first.

by **NeilyBroon** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:39 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
demosthenes wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:Really don't see it with Swinson - what do the Scotland coaches see in him? Good club player but definitely has been usurped at int. level. Toolis should be on the field and Swinson benchwarming at best - though I'd have Carmichael in as he does all the things Swinson does but better.

Fraser Brown at 7... why? Why not Ritchie?? An inexperienced flanker is still better than an experienced hooker playing in a position he used to play imo.

Hastings needs to show his best now, I hope that Horne outside will help him grow in confidence a bit. Shame Lang isn't starting at 12 but I can see why Toonie wants Horne there - 10 is our more urgent requirement at the moment so the more gametime Hastings gets the better, hopefully he'll be first choice in Glasgow soon.

Otherwise a decent enough side. I expect we'll squeeze past Argentina so long as Hastings has a good game. Do not want to see Harris on the pitch unless we're closing out a decent lead. He can't be our back-up at 13, we have 2 better options in Scott and Bennett.

Actually, in some ways I think that this shows confidence in Ritchie. GT is looking at the world cup squad. In which you need to have what, four, hookers? So how much better is it to have a third / fourth choice who can also genuinely play elsewhere than a specialist who cannot be deployed against the 'weaker' teams. If he thinks he doesn't need to see Ritchie starting it is because he thinks he knows enough about him.

Well, he could be thinking that way...!

Could be right.

Also, could be thinking that Ritchie coming on against a tiring Pumas pack, could really help secure some ball and he's decent with ball in hand.

Ritchie coming on around 60th min and directly responsible for 3 Scottish tries...heard it here first.

Get on PaddyPower quick!

The only game I could have watched live and I'm going to the opera... Shocked

By the time we're at the interval, the players will all be in bed after a gruelling match and the TMO will still be deciding on a foul play that happened 40 phases before the winning try. The price of being cultured I guess, tally-ho ruddy marvellous.

by **RDW** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:43 pm

Another classic Toony selection with Brown at 7. I see this as a snub for Ritchie - Townsend is saying he'd rather play a hooker at 7 than Ritchie, which is a shame as Ritchie has had a great season for Edinburgh and played really well against Canada.

Still, given Brown's injury history there's a good chance Ritchie will be seeing a lot of gametime anyway!

by EWT Spoons Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:50 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:

The only game I could have watched live and I'm going to the opera... .

Didn't realise you're an Edinburgh fan....boom!! self burn!

by **NeilyBroon** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:53 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:

The only game I could have watched live and I'm going to the opera... .

Didn't realise you're an Edinburgh fan....boom!! self burn!

It's being a Southerner wot dunnit.

by **RDW** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 1:55 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:

The only game I could have watched live and I'm going to the opera... .

Didn't realise you're an Edinburgh fan....boom!! self burn!

It's being a Southerner wot dunnit.

You off to Covent Garden? Opera fan or not it will be quite an experience!

by **NeilyBroon** Thu 21 Jun 2018, 2:02 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:

The only game I could have watched live and I'm going to the opera... .

Didn't realise you're an Edinburgh fan....boom!! self burn!

It's being a Southerner wot dunnit.

You off to Covent Garden? Opera fan or not it will be quite an experience!

Actually open air theatre in Regents park, fingers crossed it's warm enough! It'll certainly be an experience!

by tigertattie Thu 21 Jun 2018, 9:34 pm

I dont get it. It's a development side to look at a World Cup squad. Why have Tim at 2nd row? What will we learn other than how out matched he'll be against Los Pumas.

Ritchie on the bench? Odd.

Bin swinson, get Toolis starting. Carmichael on the bench. Ritchie starting.

Come on Toonie, you're just being silly now

by jimbopip Thu 21 Jun 2018, 10:01 pm

tigertattie wrote:I dont get it. It's a development side to look at a World Cup squad. Why have Tim at 2nd row? What will we learn other than how out matched he'll be against Los Pumas.

Ritchie on the bench? Odd.

Bin swinson, get Toolis starting. Carmichael on the bench. Ritchie starting.

Come on Toonie, you're just being silly now

No Mr Scones, he's just being Toonie now.

As in,

"Is he the right candidate to manage our new nuclear power station? Well his qualifications are impressive and his CV is certainly outstanding but...well, it's a position that requires a calm head and steady nerves in a crisis. And he's perhaps just a little bit too Toonie for my liking."

Remember this is the coach who built a side around MadMad Mata.

by Eejit Thu 21 Jun 2018, 10:33 pm

jimbopip wrote:.
Remember this is the coach who built a side around MadMad Mata.

In fairness, that sort of worked. Tiny Tim not so much.

by jimbopip Fri 22 Jun 2018, 8:10 am

Eejit wrote:
jimbopip wrote:.
Remember this is the coach who built a side around MadMad Mata.

In fairness, that sort of worked. Tiny Tim not so much.

Eejit, it worked right up until it didn't. When it worked it worked spectacularly...and when it didn't. Shocked

by **RDW** Fri 22 Jun 2018, 5:29 pm

Candid interview with Bennett, who admits he was struggling for motivation after the world cup

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/44559036

by **RDW** Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:10 pm

Looking to see a lot more from our backs as a unit tonight - we've been disappointing in the first two games.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:45 pm

Great try for Horne the younger made by a break from Hastings.

Not looking good for Swinson though, looks like he's going to be off after 4 minutes with a knee injury

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:51 pm

No-one watching?

Second try for us, Argentina are a shambles and need to get into this game

by **RDW** Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:53 pm

Great start! If we can keep this up Argentina may self implode. If not we all know what happened against USA...

by tigertattie Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:54 pm

We're playing well but Argentina are bloody awful

by **RDW** Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:55 pm

If I were to be critical out midfield defence is giving away ground every time

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:56 pm

tigertattie wrote:We're playing well but Argentina are bloody awful

You can say that again! Wtf was that, tackling optional now?

by **RDW** Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:56 pm

This is embarrassing from Argentina

by tigertattie Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:56 pm

Jeezo

by **RDW** Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:57 pm

Ffs Denton!

by tigertattie Sat 23 Jun 2018, 8:59 pm

Denton would fit in with this Argentina side

by **RDW** Sat 23 Jun 2018, 9:01 pm

Bradbury has had a great start

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 23 Jun 2018, 9:01 pm

We could do without the rain to be honest!

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