Political round up.............

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 23 Nov 2018, 12:39 pm

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by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 12 Dec 2018, 5:04 pm

Violent crime is rising here without standard of living rises..

Problem for Trump is the rust belt standards aren't rising as quickly as non Bellwether states.

by **JuliusHMarx** Wed 12 Dec 2018, 5:10 pm

Neither the UK nor the USA trouble the top 15 on the world happiness scale. I would have thought happiness is more important than standard of living.

by **Pr4wn** Fri 14 Dec 2018, 12:24 am

40,000 people were murdered in gun violence in the USA last year. Crazy numbers.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 15 Dec 2018, 6:47 pm

Opinium...

Lab 39
Con 38

Seems nothing will move the polls...

You either dislike May or Corbyn and that is it..

The Tommy Robinson debacle seems to have killed the little UKIP revival..

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Dec 2018, 8:23 am

Ifop poll..

LePen 28% +5
Macron 28% -8

Pound shop Blair is being found out and extreme Parties are thriving.

Find it very ignorant when Commentators blame the people for Trump...Corbyn...LePen becoming electable etc...

If politics is broken it is the fault of the Politicians for neglecting the masses and taking them for granted..

If you aren't getting love from the usual sources you venture off elsewhere.

The Public is realising they don't have to suck it up anymore and it can only be a good thing.

by **Hero** Sun 16 Dec 2018, 9:02 am

Without sounding too much like Secretfly and putting on a tinfoil hat you have to wonder how much external forces are influencing the disruption and polarisation in the West at present. Not just in the rise of the Far Right but to also fuel the Far Left. Play off both sides, create diversion and hatred whilst continue to grow in strength yourselves and the West are too embroiled in their own issues to intervene.

by Samo Sun 16 Dec 2018, 9:05 am

With the emergence and influence of “charitable think-tanks” like the Institute of Economic Affairs and the Tax Payer Alliance who refuse to reveal where they get their funding from, it certainly pays a degree of credibility to the NWO conspiracy theories. I just see what the endgame is unless they want WW3 between the left and right.

by Duty281 Sun 16 Dec 2018, 4:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Ifop poll..

LePen 28% +5
Macron 28% -8

It is just a case of when, not if, the Front National candidate gets elected to the French Presidency. Fourth in 2007, third in 2012, second in 2017. Macron was a punt on something different by the French after they rejected the usual offering - and he has spectacularly failed.

Expecting more gains, also, for the so-called 'extreme-left' and 'far-right' parties across the continent in the upcoming EP elections.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Dec 2018, 6:58 pm

Hard to know what to expect from politics in the future but I do know that..

Yougov

Con 40
Lab 36

Suggests its time for Corbyn to retire and let Thornberry nail this useless and reckless Govt..

Got 40% and 30 more seats in GE17...Retire and be a lefty hero.

But this lump of garbage Tory Party need booting out.

by lostinwales Mon 17 Dec 2018, 12:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hard to know what to expect from politics in the future but I do know that..

Yougov

Con 40
Lab 36

Suggests its time for Corbyn to retire and let Thornberry nail this useless and reckless Govt..

Got 40% and 30 more seats in GE17...Retire and be a lefty hero.

But this lump of garbage Tory Party need booting out.

Not sure if it should be Thornberry who takes over. But someone, anyone, preferably someone who is capable of taking and debating a stance, please...

The latest stance of the cult is that the pollsters are biased. They just don't get it that outside of the cult the people they would actually need to vote for Labour to get them into power just don't want to know. They complain that all the anti JC rhetoric is helping to keep the Tories in power, but in reality it is their unquestioning belief in magic grandad that is the biggest problem.

Meanwhile the much derided and dreaded centrists (i.e. the bulk of the population) don't actually know where to vote, and both Tories and Conservatives seem to be gambling that enough will fall their way to get/keep them in power.

It is just a disaster at the moment. If there was a GE tomorrow I'd bet that neither party would get anywhere near a majority, and I struggle to see how either could form a meaningful coalition. Nobody will want to work with the Tories, and I can't see JC working with anyone else. So - total gridlock with one man standing in the way of any resolution.

by Cardiff Dave Mon 17 Dec 2018, 2:06 pm

Ho-ho-ho....

Education cubed, anybody?

"Labour's shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said the ruling proved that the "student loans system is a fiscal illusion which flatters the government's record"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46591500

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Dec 2018, 3:49 pm

Not sure Thornberry should take over either...But I will be staggered if it is anyone else....Respected on the left and right and the left has no heir to the Corbyn throne..

Going to be a huge year for Politics in the UK 2019...

Expect all 3 Parties to change leader and I expect a General Election..

See you in 2019...Happy tidings one and all...

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 17 Dec 2018, 8:52 pm

lostinwales wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hard to know what to expect from politics in the future but I do know that..

Yougov

Con 40
Lab 36

Suggests its time for Corbyn to retire and let Thornberry nail this useless and reckless Govt..

Got 40% and 30 more seats in GE17...Retire and be a lefty hero.

But this lump of garbage Tory Party need booting out.

Not sure if it should be Thornberry who takes over. But someone, anyone, preferably someone who is capable of taking and debating a stance, please...

The latest stance of the cult is that the pollsters are biased. They just don't get it that outside of the cult the people they would actually need to vote for Labour to get them into power just don't want to know. They complain that all the anti JC rhetoric is helping to keep the Tories in power, but in reality it is their unquestioning belief in magic grandad that is the biggest problem.

Meanwhile the much derided and dreaded centrists (i.e. the bulk of the population) don't actually know where to vote, and both Tories and Conservatives seem to be gambling that enough will fall their way to get/keep them in power.

It is just a disaster at the moment. If there was a GE tomorrow I'd bet that neither party would get anywhere near a majority, and I struggle to see how either could form a meaningful coalition. Nobody will want to work with the Tories, and I can't see JC working with anyone else. So - total gridlock with one man standing in the way of any resolution.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 17 Dec 2018, 8:56 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Ho-ho-ho....

Education cubed, anybody?

"Labour's shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said the ruling proved that the "student loans system is a fiscal illusion which flatters the government's record"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46591500

Yep. It's all a complete mess.

by Cardiff Dave Wed 19 Dec 2018, 5:54 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Ho-ho-ho....

Education cubed, anybody?

"Labour's shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, said the ruling proved that the "student loans system is a fiscal illusion which flatters the government's record"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46591500
Yep. It's all a complete mess.

with a sprinkling of fraud too, possibly?

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 12 Jan 2019, 12:56 pm

Take your pick...

Yougov
Con 40
Lab 34

Survation
Lab 41
Con 38

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 18 Jan 2019, 5:14 pm

Strong rumours of a GE on Feb 28..

Back me or sack me Election to break the deadlock..

by CaledonianCraig Sat 19 Jan 2019, 5:13 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Strong rumours of a GE on Feb 28..

Back me or sack me Election to break the deadlock..

I cannot see it. And in any case a GE would be the sack for May as she has already said she will not lead the terrible Tories into the next election. Once it is called she will be replaced.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 19 Jan 2019, 8:50 pm

Comres
Con 38
Lab 37

Opinium
Lab 40
Con 37

The impasse continues..

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 27 Jan 2019, 9:09 am

Newspaper circulation took a big hit in December again..

The Express and Mirror 12% down....The Telegraph hurting as well..

A good thing too...Nothing but toilet roll the British press..All commentary and no real journalism..

If Nixon had this lot he would have served the full 8 years..

Country deserves better.

by Samo Sun 27 Jan 2019, 10:39 am

In this technological age Im amazed printed media is still a thing. But just because physical sales are down dont assume that people arent still injesting their messages, just getting them from different sources.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 10 Feb 2019, 8:27 am

Not sure calling Corbyn a 'Dangerous Hero' and detailing his romps with Diane Abbott will have the effect the Right wing tabloids are hoping for..

When most of Labour's vote is of the younger variety..

by Cardiff Dave Sun 10 Feb 2019, 2:49 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Newspaper circulation took a big hit in December again..

The Express and Mirror 12% down....The Telegraph hurting as well..

A good thing too...Nothing but toilet roll the British press..All commentary and no real journalism..

If Nixon had this lot he would have served the full 8 years..

Country deserves better.

This is as a result of Watergate though isn't it? Governments with closer ties to some of the press so as not to rock the boat, let the cat out of the bag, upset the applecart?
"Follow the money" it was said. So many stinky money trails now it seems that loads from all sides must be involved.
Everything's a mahoosive cover up imo.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 11 Feb 2019, 9:20 am

Clinton had a rough time with Lewinsky and had his lies exposed and had a rough ride with Somalia...Reagan had a rough ride with Iran-contra....

Just think that over the last few years journalists are being overriden by Media Barons to push an agenda at all costs hence we are getting Commentary instead of journalism..

Isn't helping with a huge bias in favour of Govt here and against Govt in the USA..

People are only getting one side of the argument..

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 11 Feb 2019, 9:46 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Clinton had a rough time with Lewinsky and had his lies exposed and had a rough ride with Somalia...Reagan had a rough ride with Iran-contra....

Just think that over the last few years journalists are being overriden by Media Barons to push an agenda at all costs hence we are getting Commentary instead of journalism..

Isn't helping with a huge bias in favour of Govt here and against Govt in the USA..

People are only getting one side of the argument..

Definitely agree with this. Most papers are just mouthpieces for the interests of their owners. Been going on for decades, but seems more pervasive now than before.

by Cardiff Dave Mon 11 Feb 2019, 9:30 pm

Follow the money.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/26/private-finance-initiative-pfi-labour-rip-off-ideology

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-how-private-firms-make-quick-killing-from-pfi-9488351.html

"Ms Hodge said: “It is a scandal, a total scandal that the public sector has privatised these projects so badly. We have all been ripped off.”

The Labour MP acknowledged that many of the worst PFI and PPP cases were negotiated by the Labour government under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, saying: “I’m afraid we got it wrong. I was a supporter at the time but I have completely gone off the whole concept. We got seduced by PFI.”

She added that it was especially “scandalous” that many of the funds that are buying up the contracts are based in tax havens. One of the early arguments in favour of PFIs was that taxpayers would benefit from contractors’ profits due to the corporation taxes they would pay. “But now the profits are going offshore and to shareholders,” she said."

So they got it wrong. Several hundred times it seems. Wonder what else they got wrong. Be easier to list what they got right I spose. Can't think of anything at the mo.

by Cardiff Dave Thu 14 Feb 2019, 9:40 am

Another, follow the money.....

"Failed London Garden Bridge project cost £53m

A failed plan to build a bridge covered with trees and flowers over the River Thames in central London cost a total of £53m, it has been revealed.

A Transport for London (TfL) inquiry showed the Garden Bridge Trust spent £161,000 on a website and £417,000 on a gala for the abandoned project.

The design of the bridge cost more than £9m and the charity paid its executives £1.7m.

Around £43m came from the public's pocket, TfL added."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47228698

by dummy_half Thu 14 Feb 2019, 10:14 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Clinton had a rough time with Lewinsky and had his lies exposed and had a rough ride with Somalia...Reagan had a rough ride with Iran-contra....

Just think that over the last few years journalists are being overriden by Media Barons to push an agenda at all costs hence we are getting Commentary instead of journalism..

Isn't helping with a huge bias in favour of Govt here and against Govt in the USA..

People are only getting one side of the argument..

Definitely agree with this. Most papers are just mouthpieces for the interests of their owners. Been going on for decades, but seems more pervasive now than before.

Another issue is that there are fewer journalists expected to provide more product, so have far less time to work on developing stories, or even the knowledge around stories. Niche areas of journalism have suffered worst (things like science reporting), with generalists taking over from the specialists who had some background knowledge and understanding of their subject matter. The result has been journalism by press release with no informed scrutiny on the part of the journalist / paper prior to publication.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sat 16 Feb 2019, 9:57 pm

Kantar
Con 40 +5
Lab 35 -3

Opinium
Lab 37 +3
Con 37 -4

Go figure ???...

by Cardiff Dave Sun 17 Feb 2019, 10:16 am

"May’s spokesperson said: ‘Everybody wants young people to be engaged in the issues that affect them most so that we can build a brighter future for all of us.

‘But it is important to emphasise that disruption increases teacher’s workloads and wastes lesson time that teachers have carefully prepared for. ‘That time is crucial for young people precisely so that they can develop into the top scientists, engineers and advocates that we need to help tackle this problem."

Might be good to have some of these in parliament. Wall to wall mickey mousers and duffers at present.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/15/theresa-may-criticises-children-protesting-climate-change-8641924/

by Cardiff Dave Sun 17 Feb 2019, 10:24 am

Duffers were given duff info apparently....

"Film studio deal with Pinewood a 'catalogue of errors'"

Lessons learned, thoughts and prayers, we remain committed, what we need to do, what I am saying is; blah blah fecking blah to infinity.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-47231099

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 17 Feb 2019, 12:17 pm

You would think a Govt with any sense that has an aging fan base would want to appeal to a market that replenishes itself by 500,000 every year....The 18 and can vote market..

Patronising and maligning teenagers rightly worried about the climate they will inherit doesn't seem that smart....

But wholly in keeping with this shambles..

by El Radar Sun 17 Feb 2019, 1:57 pm

The youth would be well served to remember in 2004 that 316 Labour mps voted for an increase in tuition fees including Tom Watson, you'll advocate the youth vote such people though yes?

by **Pr4wn** Sun 17 Feb 2019, 2:29 pm

What does that have to do with climate change?

by El Radar Sun 17 Feb 2019, 3:06 pm

It was entirely relevant to the post I was replying to which didn't refer solely to climate change, grand response though.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 17 Feb 2019, 4:22 pm

El Radar wrote:The youth would be well served to remember in 2004 that 316 Labour mps voted for an increase in tuition fees including Tom Watson, you'll advocate the youth vote such people though yes?

I don't remember suggesting all kids should vote Labour..

But in fairness to Labour they have embraced a voting bracket that replenishes itself.....By endorsing their march...

If the Tories had any brains...Rather than call them truants they would have admired their dedication while pointing out how important missing school is..

But like their voters they are naive and intellectually challenged...

by El Radar Sun 17 Feb 2019, 4:28 pm

They are truants!

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 17 Feb 2019, 4:41 pm

Funny thing about these marches....The point of view tends to be dependent on which Party you support..

Good luck to the kids...If trying to get this shambles to focus on Green issues is served by missing the odd day then so be it...

It's their future..

by El Radar Sun 17 Feb 2019, 4:44 pm

It has nothing to do with the actual issue but rather getting out of school for a bit and will make no iota of difference, pathetic waste of time.

by Cardiff Dave Sun 17 Feb 2019, 6:33 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Funny thing about these marches....The point of view tends to be dependent on which Party you support..

Good luck to the kids...If trying to get this shambles to focus on Green issues is served by missing the odd day then so be it...

It's their future..

....and after a long day of going Grrr, they all had happy meals.
Landfill-tastic!
Hey maybe the kids will give up using their phones for one day per week to help save the planet?

by Cardiff Dave Sun 17 Feb 2019, 6:47 pm

El Radar wrote:They are truants!

Make 'em run around the school field a few times as punishment. If the field hasn't been sold off under a shady property development deal, obviously.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 17 Feb 2019, 9:56 pm

Labour to split tomorrow apparently....

Five leaving to start new Party....

by El Radar Sun 17 Feb 2019, 10:38 pm

Got a lot of time for Chukka, sticks to his principles and that is to be commended nowadays, disagree with him on Brexit but he's at least taking the action he feels is necessary.

by Duty281 Sun 17 Feb 2019, 11:06 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Labour to split tomorrow apparently....

Good. The end of the rotten, bigoted, anti-semitic Labour Party as a serious electoral force.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 18 Feb 2019, 1:08 am

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Labour to split tomorrow apparently....

Good. The end of the rotten, bigoted, anti-semitic Labour Party as a serious electoral force.

You really are pathetic. A needlessly inflammatory, defamatory and trolling comment.

Prove to me that the Labour party is bigoted.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 18 Feb 2019, 1:13 am

El Radar wrote:They are truants!

Are all those that go on strike truants? I assume that you're enjoying some mandatory leave from your job every year, that your family takes advantage of maternity/paternity leave, that you enjoy safe, regulated working conditions with a cap on your hours. All won for you by unions who use strikes to get what they want for their workers.

But they're all workshy truants, right?

Civil disobedience is completely necessary when dealing with the potential eradication of the natural world.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 18 Feb 2019, 1:17 am

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Labour to split tomorrow apparently....

Good. The end of the rotten, bigoted, anti-semitic Labour Party as a serious electoral force.

You really are pathetic. A needlessly inflammatory, defamatory and trolling comment.

Prove to me that the Labour party is bigoted.

The fact that you need to say things like this, while throwing your toys out of the pram when people like Julius call you out on your BS really does show the level of your debate.

by El Radar Mon 18 Feb 2019, 6:48 am

Blah blah blah, school is not a job, it is education, the two are not even remotely the same.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 18 Feb 2019, 6:49 am

That's the best rebuttal you can come up with? Why even bother replying?

by El Radar Mon 18 Feb 2019, 7:03 am

I must bow to your opinion, school kids striking is pathetic, it affects nobody but themselves. Workers striking affects the means of production which is why it has worked for them in the past.

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