ICC Cricket World Cup - Part 2

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Table

New Zealand	5	9	1.591
England	5	8	1.862
Australia	5	8	0.812
India	4	7	1.029
Bangladesh	5	5	-0.27
Sri Lanka	5	4	-1.778
West Indies	5	3	0.272
South Africa	5	3	-0.193
Pakistan	5	3	-1.933
Afghanistan	5	0	-2.089

Pool Fixtures

Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




Knock Out Fixtures


To Follow

Windies raise their game against England, very occasionally. Usually they are absolute rubbish and don't look at all interested! Though I will concede that recently they have had some surprisingly good results so will be looking to build on those.

Duty281 wrote:

VTR wrote:I have a horrible feeling about today, I think it's memories of World Cup travesties past haunting me. I am having vivid nightmares of Ian Austin coming on first change, Ravi Bopara striding out to bat and Monty fielding.

Its going to be ok isn't it?

Probably. England, surprisingly enough, have a strong record against the West Indies in World Cups, having won five on the bounce (1987 x2, 1992, 2007 and 2011).

...and England only have quality players this time like errr Moeen.

Oh.

VTR wrote:Windies raise their game against England, very occasionally. Usually they are absolute rubbish and don't look at all interested! Though I will concede that recently they have had some surprisingly good results so will be looking to build on those.

Windies have raised their game since March for the world cup and have their best players. Judging them on the limp lettuce thats been playing since the Champs trophy is a bit irrelevant whilst they are still in with a shot of qualifying. I suspect if they loose this that heads might drop a bit and the likes of Gayle and Russell in particular loose interest.

It was more a general point around how they have performed vs England over the last 20 years. KP Fan has picked a couple of decent results out of a sea of mediocrity, and concluded that Windies raise their game vs England. If some of those performances, in Test series in England in particular were raising their game, I'd hate to see them not trying.

As stated though, I will accept in the here and now they have got something together that most thought was beyond them

Yeah its generally been when England have toured there in recent years.
I suspect some of that has been England just being rubbish abroad, drinking (Flintoff!) and err socialising whilst on the Islands.

They've largely been abysmal when in England.

VTR wrote:It was more a general point around how they have performed vs England over the last 20 years. KP Fan has picked a couple of decent results out of a sea of mediocrity, and concluded that Windies raise their game vs England. If some of those performances, in Test series in England in particular were raising their game, I'd hate to see them not trying.

As stated though, I will accept in the here and now they have got something together that most thought was beyond them

OR the alternative way of looking at it is Eng wins dozens of mediocre contests against squabbling, bored, disinterested, disjointed WI...

while the latter raise their game to chase down 350+ in an against Eng in a test match....beat Eng by 400 runs and 10 wickets respectively in two tests and then surrender the 3rd game in boredom

and smash 3 SIXES of last 3 balls of a world cup final vs Eng to win the final....
While the overall chance is an even 50-50....my gambling$10 is on WI and another $5 on Gayle the top-scorer for WI

Not sure how it's even close to 50-50 to be honest. The West Indies are a poor, overrated team, who've done nothing at this World Cup (except be gifted a win by Pakistan) or in ODI cricket in general in recent years. Meanwhile, England are one of the world's best over the past four years and are playing at home. If offered a choice, I don't think I'd replace any of the West Indies players for any English player.

England are about 90-10 favourites if they field first, and about 80-20 if they bat first.

Well the Windies are always capable of unexpected performances, and not just against England. Even the other day they demolished Pakistan in a manner that few expected.

That's why they are so dangerous though, in the same way that Pakistan are dangerous. There's a lot of talent there, and a very free-spirited approach to the game. When it fails it looks like an undisciplined rabble, but there will be days when it comes together and they blow the opposition away

Duty281 wrote:Not sure how it's even close to 50-50 to be honest. .

That's not an honest , but an emotional assessment, similar to the one you did for Pak-Eng game
But that's OK....every team needs passionate die-hard fans

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Not sure how it's even close to 50-50 to be honest. .

That's not an honest , but an emotional assessment, similar to the one you did for Pak-Eng game
But that's OK....every team needs passionate die-hard fans  

It's a very honest assessment, just like the England-Pakistan one. Bookmakers don't see it being anywhere near to 50-50 either.

West Indies bowling in the first 10-15 over this WC have been the most potent I have seen from the in some time. For me, If England lose the toss and are sent into bat, they have to be very cautious in this period.

The toss could end up being the deciding factor here (if we get a full game that is).

Duty281 wrote:Not sure how it's even close to 50-50 to be honest. The West Indies are a poor, overrated team, who've done nothing at this World Cup.

West Indies have done more than nothing in the WC and this year. Sure the warm-ups in Ireland they were poor, but then they were hiding certain players and tactics. Their pace bowling in the WC first up has been exceptional and England's much vaunted batting is always susceptible to a collapse and has been shown to be extremely fallible to genuine pace. I could refer back to the last ODI of the winter where we were bowled out for not many completely failing to cope with some very hostile bowling.

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Not sure how it's even close to 50-50 to be honest. .

That's not an honest , but an emotional assessment, similar to the one you did for Pak-Eng game
But that's OK....every team needs passionate die-hard fans  

It's a very honest assessment, just like the England-Pakistan one. Bookmakers don't see it being anywhere near to 50-50 either.

I think youre both being emotional and pushing the extremes on this. The stats based predictions and betting odds have england solid favourites but by no means a given.

England win the toss and bowl first - England remain unchanged, so Wood passed his fitness test and Moeen misses out again...you'd presume England fancy there to be a bit more spice in the pitch for the seamers?

West Indies bring in Gabriel and Russell for Nurse and Roach

I don't see it as a given either, but England are strong favourites, a justifiable term when you compare the two teams.

On the emotional side, though, I am absolutely sick of the West Indies. They bowl a few bouncers (some of which are illegal) and suddenly they've returned to the Fire in Babylon days; never mind that they're a fairly useless outfit who are only at this World Cup because of a shocking LBW decision against a Scottish batsman.

England bowling first...well that increases their chances further. England unchanged.

Come on, England!

After winning the toss and choosing to field, I now make England the favourites. They still have to negate the opening 10-15 overs well though.

Just hope that I don't get to see that stupid salute action of Cottrell today. I really dislike that type of celebration.

Excellent first over.

I'm sure it will be an entertaining game with the stakes as high as they are.

Forget all the favourite this, bookies says that... it means absolutely nothing. I'm over bloody polls!
So wipe the slate clean. It's all about how both teams perform now - on the day and how strong is the desire to succeed - on the day.

Take nothing for granted, take your chances, get the upper hand and stay on top.
Or, if behind the eight-ball... somehow turn it around with an act (or a few acts preferably in quick succession) of brilliance. A bit of luck helps too.

I tipped the West Indies (purely to test myself in the tipping comp.) but I really wouldn't mind it if England succeeded in swiping that swagger off some of those players... and rattled a few of those oversized gold chains along the way. Would be great to watch especially as an Aussie.
The Windies could surprise but I believe England have a better overall potential to prevail... better batting, bowling and fielding as a team unit.

Absolutely lovely bowling from Woakes and he demolishes Lewis' stumps with an exquisite yorker. Deserved.

Ding ding

Looks already like this is going to be England's day.
Plenty of swing and good for English bowling.
The west indies have a plethora of quicksilver but like Pakistan aus this doesnt look to be a bouncer pitch.

Woakes on fire in his first couple of overs

Ooh you don't want to give Gayle chances...

Uh-oh, hamstring trouble for Jason Roy. He's off the field.

eirebilly wrote:Ooh you don't want to give Gayle chances...

A chance that should be taken at this level - poor from Wood. And now Roy's done his hamstring...yikes

Lewis is garbage, good bowling but wasn't a worry. Gayle though, take that catch and it would have been huge

Rather contrasting figures so far from Woakes and Jofra

Gayle is Gayle

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Rather contrasting figures so far from Woakes and Jofra

Guess which one has been doing most of the bowling to Gayle, and most of the bowling to Hope...

And Gayle just hit woakes for 6 then a wristy single.

This is bubbling up nicely ....except for wood

Hope really struggling. Difficult to rotate the strike with regularity when you've got the lumbering, slow, unfit Gayle at the other end.

Mixed fortunes so far...

Good start for England with Woakes bowling well and grabbing the early wicket : then the dropped catch , the Roy injury and I think too many short deliveries considering there was early movement on offer. It's pretty even right now but England want to get another break soonish...if they're going to be batting one short today they won't want to be chasing a lot on this quite helpful surface. Really don't need to let Gayle cut loose.

I apologise for the "gold chains" remark above. They all seem to be concealed by sweaters today.  
Although I'm sure they're all still there underneath... so I guess my above point still stands.

Yeah Windies probably the happier even if they are just going at 4 an over. To come through the nex ball with just one down is good.

Plunkett gets Gayle with a short one!

.....kiss of death for the Universe Boss! 
Well bowled Plunkett

Dot ball king Gayle departs. Good catch by the bandaged Bairstow.

That wicket was coming after the pressure from Wood last over. England have bowled well today so far

Ha ! Plunkett has his man Bairstow a very safe pair of hands...

Big wicket , and with Hope struggling that puts England right on top.

Still like to see a slip in...which I see he has to the new man...

Come on Mogs ...review this ! Looked very out ...

Must be out ? Yes !

Another very poor piece of umpiring - thank god for DRS!

Well that looked pretty plumb on first viewing. England review...out!

Baffling as to how that wasn't given in real time. Must have thought he hit it. 55/3.

Boof ... Hope down. 

This is turning very quickly Englands way

Roys injury sounds pretty minor, just a tightness in the hamstring

Don't know how that wasn't given out on field ...very poor umpiring , thank heaven for drs .

WI in strife now at 55/3

Hope fading for the Windies.

alfie wrote:Still like to see a slip in...which I see he has to the new man...

Plenty of slips now!

The only thing I can think of there was the ball hitting both pads and Dharmasena thought he'd nicked it. Certainly very, very straight.

Pal Joey wrote:Hope fading for the Windies.

Please stick to make jokes about Wood and Willey

robbo277 wrote:I don't think it's as sewn up as some people think. India are in a pretty strong position with their win against Australia and their No Result off New Zealand, but there haven't been any other games between the four favourites.

Pakistan could knock off India and South Africa could knock off New Zealand in the next round and the tournament would be opened back up.

New Zealand also still have to play, Windies, Pakistan, England and Australia and could end up losing the 4 of them.

I don't think they'll be any of the teams counting their chickens at this stage, even if England beat West Indies today.

Agree with this

Too early to declare the results set in stone. I think the four favorites will make the semis ; but no more than I did before the start of the tournament. Couple of surprises and strange things can still happen.