New Zealand vs South Africa - Pool B Game 1 - 21st September 2019

by mikey_dragon Wed 24 Jul 2019, 5:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

Erasmus has made 12 changes to the Springbok team that beat Australia, with Vermeulen back as captain. This team is arguably their strongest right now which is why this fixture has peaked my interest. It’ll be interesting to see how the AB selectors respond.

Springboks team to face New Zealand in Wellington:

Willie le Roux, Cheslin Kolbe, Lukhanyo Am, Damian de Allende, Makazole Mapimpi, Handré Pollard, Faf de Klerk, Duane Vermeulen, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Kwagga Smith, Franco Mostert, Eben Etzebeth, Frans Malherbe, Malcolm Marx, Steven Kitshoff. Replacements: Bongi Mbonambi, Tendai Mtawarira, Trevor Nyakane, R.G. Snyman, Francois Louw, Herschel Jantjies, Frans Steyn, Jesse Kriel.

https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/27247481/duane-vermeulen-lead-springboks-all-blacks

All Blacks:

1. Joe Moody (37)
2. Codie Taylor (41)
3. Owen Franks (106)
4. Brodie Retallick (76)
5. Samuel Whitelock (108)
6. Shannon Frizell (4)
7. Matt Todd (17)
8. Kieran Read - captain (118)
9. TJ Perenara (55)
10. Richie Mo’unga (9)
11. Rieko Ioane (24)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (51)
13. Jack Goodhue (7)
14. Ben Smith (77)
15. Beauden Barrett (74)
16. Dane Coles (61)
17. Ofa Tuungafasi (27)
18. Angus Ta’avao (4)
19. Vaea Fifita (10)
20. Dalton Papalii (2)
21. Aaron Smith (83)
22. Anton Lienert-Brown (34)
23. George Bridge (1)

by maestegmafia Thu 19 Sep 2019, 1:28 pm

The Blackness

New Zealand: 15 Beauden Barrett, 14 Sevu Reece, 13 Anton Lienert-Brown, 12 Ryan Crotty, 11 George Bridge, 10 Richie Mo’unga, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Ardie Savea, 5 Scott Barrett, 4 Sam Whitelock, 3 Nepo Laulala, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Joe Moody
Replacements: 16 Codie Taylor, 17 Ofa Tu’ungafasi, 18 Angus Ta’avao, 19 Patrick Tuipulotu, 20 Shannon Frizell, 21 TJ Perenara, 22 Sonny Bill Williams, 23 Ben Smith

by mikey_dragon Thu 19 Sep 2019, 1:56 pm

Just so you know, this thread was set up to cover the RC match back in July!

by **LondonTiger** Thu 19 Sep 2019, 2:05 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Just so you know, this thread was set up to cover the RC match back in July!

It was, but serves just as well for this.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 19 Sep 2019, 2:07 pm

Looks like NZ have 10 changes in their starting XV from the RC game.

by Collapse2005 Thu 19 Sep 2019, 2:08 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Looks like NZ have 10 changes in their starting XV from the RC game.

Can you summarise them? Obviously Retallick is injured, what are the other changes. 10 seems a lot although all sides were experimenting a bit in the RC.

Sorry didnt realise that they were on the OP. I think the side for Saturday is a better side. Two score win for NZ. This is not a great SA side despite all the hype.

by BamBam Thu 19 Sep 2019, 2:33 pm

What is the thread etiquette for the tournament? Are we having individual game threads, trying to keep discussion to the Pool threads that LT set up or using the individual country threads for games

by **LondonTiger** Thu 19 Sep 2019, 2:58 pm

BamBam wrote:What is the thread etiquette for the tournament? Are we having individual game threads, trying to keep discussion to the Pool threads that LT set up or using the individual country threads for games

Whatever people want really Very Happy

My suggestion would be that Team threads are best kept to generalities. Match discussions can happen in the pool threads, unless someone wishes to set up an individual match thread. Japan Russia is unlikely to use as many posts as Scotland Ireland.

by maestegmafia Fri 20 Sep 2019, 10:17 am

LondonTiger wrote:
BamBam wrote:What is the thread etiquette for the tournament? Are we having individual game threads, trying to keep discussion to the Pool threads that LT set up or using the individual country threads for games

Whatever people want really

My suggestion would be that Team threads are best kept to generalities. Match discussions can happen in the pool threads, unless someone wishes to set up an individual match thread. Japan Russia is unlikely to use as many posts as Scotland Ireland.

日本に来て

by **Galted** Fri 20 Sep 2019, 10:22 am

maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
BamBam wrote:What is the thread etiquette for the tournament? Are we having individual game threads, trying to keep discussion to the Pool threads that LT set up or using the individual country threads for games

Whatever people want really

My suggestion would be that Team threads are best kept to generalities. Match discussions can happen in the pool threads, unless someone wishes to set up an individual match thread. Japan Russia is unlikely to use as many posts as Scotland Ireland.

日本に来て

いいえ。彼らはそこに台風を持っている

by bluestonevedder Fri 20 Sep 2019, 10:59 am

Galted wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
BamBam wrote:What is the thread etiquette for the tournament? Are we having individual game threads, trying to keep discussion to the Pool threads that LT set up or using the individual country threads for games

Whatever people want really

My suggestion would be that Team threads are best kept to generalities. Match discussions can happen in the pool threads, unless someone wishes to set up an individual match thread. Japan Russia is unlikely to use as many posts as Scotland Ireland.

日本に来て

いいえ。彼らはそこに台風を持っている

英語で笑う

by Welshmushroom Fri 20 Sep 2019, 2:40 pm

According to the weather forecast Saturday and Sunday conditions look like they will be played in Monsoon rain conditions.

If that's true, I make South Africa slight favourites. That weather won't help New Zealand's all out attack plan.

by **Galted** Fri 20 Sep 2019, 3:53 pm

bluestonevedder wrote:
Galted wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
BamBam wrote:What is the thread etiquette for the tournament? Are we having individual game threads, trying to keep discussion to the Pool threads that LT set up or using the individual country threads for games

Whatever people want really

My suggestion would be that Team threads are best kept to generalities. Match discussions can happen in the pool threads, unless someone wishes to set up an individual match thread. Japan Russia is unlikely to use as many posts as Scotland Ireland.

日本に来て

いいえ。彼らはそこに台風を持っている

英語で笑う

by Old Man Fri 20 Sep 2019, 4:34 pm

スプリングボクスに勝ってください

by lostinwales Fri 20 Sep 2019, 5:03 pm

Is that like a jack-in-the-box?

by BigTrevsbigmac Sat 21 Sep 2019, 10:16 am

Can’t wait

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 10:58 am

Bit of an arm wrestle so far.

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:04 am

NZ just keep shovelling schit. Each time someone gets a bad pass they just bobble it on to someone else. Take the contact and reset.

by Engine#4 Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:06 am

Dirty hit on Marx. No arms used

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:07 am

SA looking much the better team so far!

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:09 am

Jeez man. Barrett won’t thank him for that

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:09 am

NZ playing like headless chickens. Bad decision to leave out Ben Smith?

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:10 am

Well that’s a card

by **RiscaGame** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:11 am

Have a rest butt.

by **RiscaGame** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:12 am

Not sure where the idea of a penalty try comes from though.

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:12 am

How is that not a yellow?!

Probably the most clear example of a yellow that you could get.

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:12 am

He said it was not a yellow because there were no NZ players there. There were two!

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:14 am

Well that's NZ for you!

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:14 am

RKO outta nowhere!!!

by **RiscaGame** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:14 am

Shocking call. Some of the officiating at this WC has been terrible.

Nice score.

by TightHEAD Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:16 am

Clear forward pass missed

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:17 am

Lethal

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:18 am

2nd row on the hoof!!!!!

by Nathaniel Jacobs Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:20 am

The springboks having their hearts broken by the all blacks. For 20 minutes SA looked incredible but they seemed to punch themselves out. NZ simply incredible

by **BigGee** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:22 am

Give NZ a sniff and they score

It was always thus

by TightHEAD Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:25 am

I guarantee you had England scored the kiwi first try the ref would have gone back to check for a forward pass

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:30 am

TightHEAD wrote:I guarantee you had England scored the kiwi first try the ref would have gone back to check for a forward pass

Give it a break Head.

by Old Man Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:38 am

Springboks aren’t showing anything in attack, very poor.

by Soul Requiem Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:40 am

tigertattie wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:I guarantee you had England scored the kiwi first try the ref would have gone back to check for a forward pass

Give it a break Head.

True though in fairness.

by Soul Requiem Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:54 am

That scrum penalty sums it up really, the NZ prop dropped but South Africa were penalised, nonsense.

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:56 am

Not sure why Barrett didn't just touch that down but the Saffer was definitely offside when he intercepted it!

by **NeilyBroon** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:58 am

Garces isn't so much refereeing as just offering occasional guidance. Pretty poor show from his end.

by BigTrevsbigmac Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:58 am

Kolbe what a player he is

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 11:59 am

NeilyBroon wrote:Garces isn't so much refereeing as just offering occasional guidance. Pretty poor show from his end.

There's been some fairly glaring errors in all the games so far.

by Soul Requiem Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:03 pm

Another knock on missed.

by **BigGee** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:08 pm

Seen more international drop goals today than for years

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:22 pm

Back feet off side refereeing has also been awful in this tournament

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:24 pm

Whoops - that penalty was for offside! Ref had to be told by his assistant though.

by tigertattie Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:27 pm

How does Kolbe change direction in the air???

by **BigGee** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:29 pm

If Kolbe is in trouble that is a big blow to SA

He has been their main threat

by **RDW** Sat 21 Sep 2019, 12:32 pm

BigGee wrote:If Kolbe is in trouble that is a big blow to SA

He has been their main threat

Their only real threat, it has to be said.

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