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Post by LondonTiger Mon 09 Sep 2019, 12:25 pm

First topic message reminder :

TeamPlayedWonDrawnLostTriesPFPA+/-BPPoints
Italy220014952966210
New Zealand1100223131004
South Africa10011323-10100
Namibia100132247-2500
Canada10011748-4100


New Zealand 23 South Africa 10
Italy 47 Namibia 22
Italy 48 Canada 7 
                     

28 September 2019     South Africa v Namibia                   City of Toyota Stadium, Toyota
2 October 2019           New Zealand v Canada                   Oita Stadium, Ōita
4 October 2019           South Africa v Italy                        Shizuoka Stadium Ecopa, Fukuroi
6 October 2019           New Zealand v Namibia                  Tokyo Stadium, Chōfu
8 October 2019           South Africa v Canada                    Kobe Misaki Stadium, Kobe
12 October 2019         New Zealand v Italy                        City of Toyota Stadium, Toyota
13 October 2019         Namibia v Canada                           Kamaishi Recovery Memorial Stadium, Kamaishi


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Post by Guest Fri 04 Oct 2019, 12:20 pm

Shame. Great big of open rugby back and forth, ends with intercept and 7 points SA. Could have had a game here, we'll never know. All about the ABs now for Italy - huge chance to shock them and hope for the best.

32-3 60 mins

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Post by BamBam Fri 04 Oct 2019, 12:22 pm

It was an open game, but had it not gone to uncontested scrums I think SA would have racked up more points in the first half

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Post by SecretFly Fri 04 Oct 2019, 1:21 pm

Italy finally realising they are at a World Cup.  And now unfortunately it seems it won't take too long to realise that they're not.

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Post by Collapse2005 Fri 04 Oct 2019, 2:14 pm

Italy shot themselves in the foot badly

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Post by Guest Fri 04 Oct 2019, 5:23 pm

Felt like the last 2 years of mediocrity - of building depth but being hammered in the 6Ns - was building for this game, and it was over in 3 seconds because of clearout. Major foot shot.

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Post by Old Man Fri 04 Oct 2019, 5:36 pm

Italy wasn’t in this match from the first minute. Their scrum was being heavily dominated from the get go, the red card just added to their mire

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Post by Cyril Fri 04 Oct 2019, 5:40 pm

Is anybody surprised with the result though? SA are a very good side and one of the favourites for the RWC. Italy are poor and are standing still or going backwards in World rugby terms.

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Post by Guest Fri 04 Oct 2019, 6:03 pm

Surprised, yes and no. Thought Italy would bring the thunder like we haven't seen since the first season under O'Shea...but better. We didn't really get a proper game - Italy had SA on the ropes when the red card occurred, and had they scored from it, which was a distinct possibility, they would have had a 5m lineout, it's 17-10 start of the second half.

Ultimately, yes, the scoreline was a surprise. Expected Italy - who beat SA not long ago - to put up a real fight in this game. As it is, it's quite possible this result means Co'S is finished, ir Italy was deciding on whether to extend his tenure based on WC results.

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Post by SecretFly Fri 04 Oct 2019, 7:37 pm

I think it was a foregone conclusion that O'Shea would be leaving Italy regardless of what happened at the WC.

Wasn't there a belief that Rob Howley was virtually done and dusted as new boss, with just terms to be agreed not long ago.

Hmmmm - if he's done and dusted in other ways now, perhaps Italy might indeed be inclined to offer O'Shea an extension until they get an alternative.

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Post by mikey_dragon Fri 04 Oct 2019, 8:04 pm

If O’Shea is available, any region in Wales will take him Very Happy

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Oct 2019, 6:54 am

Namibia putting up a great fight v NZ. 24-9 at HT. Led 3-0 and then pulled it back to 10-9 first half. Seem to be massively benefitting frm the continuity of keeping Phil Davies in the job, and bringing through players who were around 4 years ago along with him. Have been another team that's done credit to themselves at this torunament so far.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 7:08 am

Typical as expected NZ  winning by a cricket score. 

Some time think these game's are a bit of a joke, their is only going to be one winner ant is NZ. 

Apart from SA nobody in their group to give them a fare game, it is all most world rugby handing them a free pass, because they are New Zealand.

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Post by The Great Aukster Sun 06 Oct 2019, 7:40 am

Try of the Tournament? Is that judged on the number of forward passes in the build-up?

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Post by Taylorman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 8:45 am

The Great Aukster wrote:Try of the Tournament? Is that judged on the number of forward passes in the build-up?

No, on the skill on display, pity you don’t recognise those sorts of things up there.

Cards plague the game again. Two head hits a meter off the ground. It’s becoming a joke. Sides attacking on the goal line will lead with the head and yellows will be red for stopping the try even though the player is going downwards.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 06 Oct 2019, 8:50 am

If that was the case Taylor then they would be incorrectly given.

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Post by Taylorman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 8:56 am

majesticimperialman wrote:Typical as expected NZ  winning by a cricket score. 

Some time think these game's are a bit of a joke, their is only going to be one winner ant is NZ. 

Apart from SA nobody in their group to give them a fare game, it is all most world rugby handing them a free pass, because they are New Zealand.

we still have three tier ones in our group. As does pool C. The others have two.

One could say Ireland has the easier pool so free pass? or are others not playing to their rankings?

NZ make it look poor, but it’s no free pass. It’s cos the other seeds struggle.

It’s happened every single World Cup. It’s not new. Namibia were in our group last World Cup, Canada in 2011. Fact is when your first seed, your number two is going to be world no. 5, then you’re out to 10, 15, 20 etc.

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Oct 2019, 10:42 am

Sucks to be good eh, T’man! Wink

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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Oct 2019, 12:19 pm

Taylorman wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Try of the Tournament? Is that judged on the number of forward passes in the build-up?

No, on the skill on display, pity you don’t recognise those sorts of things up there.

Cards plague the game again. Two head hits a meter off the ground. It’s becoming a joke. Sides attacking on the goal line will lead with the head and yellows will be red for stopping the try even though the player is going downwards.

Skillful yes - but definitely suspect ...

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Post by ebop Sun 06 Oct 2019, 12:40 pm

Who’s Phil Davis the Namibian coach, is he Welsh? Could he coach Wales one day? Would be great to see a Welshman like Davis lead the Welsh team. Kind of like how Townsend is doing so with Scotland and doing such a great job.
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Post by ebop Sun 06 Oct 2019, 1:48 pm

Heaf wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Try of the Tournament? Is that judged on the number of forward passes in the build-up?

No, on the skill on display, pity you don’t recognise those sorts of things up there.

Cards plague the game again. Two head hits a meter off the ground. It’s becoming a joke. Sides attacking on the goal line will lead with the head and yellows will be red for stopping the try even though the player is going downwards.

Skillful yes - but definitely suspect ...
Probably will be try of the RWC
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Post by Heaf Sun 06 Oct 2019, 1:49 pm

I wouldn't be surprised ...

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Oct 2019, 2:28 pm

ebop wrote:Who’s Phil Davis the Namibian coach, is he Welsh? Could he coach Wales one day? Would be great to see a Welshman like Davis lead the Welsh team. Kind of like how Townsend is doing so with Scotland and doing such a great job.


Nah, he’s a failed club coach. Been around the block. Not good enough. Same form Lyn Jones the Russia head coach and Kinglsey Jones the Canada head coach (his dad was Lomu’s agent, by the way. Bit of trivia for you!). Says a lot about those unions needing to bring in these guys for the World Cup, sadly.

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Post by Taylorman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 3:18 pm

ebop wrote:
Heaf wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Try of the Tournament? Is that judged on the number of forward passes in the build-up?

No, on the skill on display, pity you don’t recognise those sorts of things up there.

Cards plague the game again. Two head hits a meter off the ground. It’s becoming a joke. Sides attacking on the goal line will lead with the head and yellows will be red for stopping the try even though the player is going downwards.

Skillful yes - but definitely suspect ...
Probably will be try of the RWC

Yes a great try, reminded a bit of the great Edwards try where Perenara had even less room down that left sideline. They looked for the forward pass, wasn’t. Anton LBrown is the form centre of this tournament and once again covered all aspects of play well. Is setting high standards there.

Aaron Smiths pass to Ben Smith was a bullet and put him through the half gap to score.

Don’t like Jordies antics at all, just looks too big and clumsy, especially at 10. Kicked 8 from 11 after getting charged down in one early.

Brodie got 30 useful minutes on the dot.

Namibia had many moments and aren’t that far away from being a handy side. Some very good early defence and some spark in the centres and out wide. They gave the ABs some good pressure situations early on.


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Post by TightHEAD Sun 06 Oct 2019, 3:26 pm

Did NZ turn up?

Was expecting a big score against the worst team at the RWC.
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Post by majesticimperialman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 3:34 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Did NZ turn up?

Was expecting a big score against the worst team at the RWC.

Yes they put in appearance.
Had a bit of a run out you might say.

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Post by Taylorman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 3:37 pm

Highest score so far and 10 tries. Is that turning up? If not, I guess no one has. Don’t think that will be bettered, only SA and NZ capable of putting 50 up so far. Namibia could give Canada a good run. Both sides had some positives.


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Post by Collapse2005 Sun 06 Oct 2019, 5:47 pm

NZ are definitely looking good at the moment but there really isnt much difference in beating a minnow by 40 points or 70 points. Its the big games that really count. SA beating the lowest ranked side Namibia by 50 points, a handful more points than the tallys notched up against some of the other sides means very little in my view.

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Post by The Great Aukster Sun 06 Oct 2019, 7:05 pm

Heaf wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Try of the Tournament? Is that judged on the number of forward passes in the build-up?

No, on the skill on display, pity you don’t recognise those sorts of things up there.

Cards plague the game again. Two head hits a meter off the ground. It’s becoming a joke. Sides attacking on the goal line will lead with the head and yellows will be red for stopping the try even though the player is going downwards.

Skillful yes - but definitely suspect ...
It would probably be fitting if it was TotT given the poor quality of the officiating and the effect that's having on games.

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Post by Taylorman Sun 06 Oct 2019, 8:31 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:NZ are definitely looking good at the moment but there really isnt much difference in beating a minnow by 40 points or 70 points. Its the big games that really count. SA beating the lowest ranked side Namibia by 50 points, a handful more points than the tallys notched up against some of the other sides means very little in my view.

Absolutely agree, and more telling is where the so called established sides are losing and nearly losing to non tier one sides, frankly the standard at the top is heavily disappointing, and reflects the drop in standards overall since 2015.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 06 Oct 2019, 8:51 pm

Rankings seem to be more important as a measuring stick than 'Tier'.

So the ranking numbers of each pool might suggest how difficult/competitive they might be.


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Post by tigertattie Sun 06 Oct 2019, 9:17 pm

Was Ka Mate deployed today as it’s been a while since Namibia have played the all blacks???
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Post by tigertattie Sun 06 Oct 2019, 9:26 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:NZ are definitely looking good at the moment but there really isnt much difference in beating a minnow by 40 points or 70 points. Its the big games that really count. SA beating the lowest ranked side Namibia by 50 points, a handful more points than the tallys notched up against some of the other sides means very little in my view.

Absolutely agree, and more telling is where the so called established sides are losing and nearly losing to non tier one sides, frankly the standard at the top is heavily disappointing, and reflects the drop in standards overall since 2015.

Standards have dropped indeed. Even the godlike New Zealand team had to resort to a cross field kick to score their first try today and we all know that taylorman states this tactic is “anti” rugby and only used by sides that don’t have the creativity to score with ball in hand!
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Post by SecretFly Sun 06 Oct 2019, 10:25 pm

It's the bloody biggest rule in the book - scoring with ball in hand.

TMan is anti-rugby!

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Post by Taylorman Mon 07 Oct 2019, 12:17 am

tigertattie wrote:
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Collapse2005 wrote:NZ are definitely looking good at the moment but there really isnt much difference in beating a minnow by 40 points or 70 points. Its the big games that really count. SA beating the lowest ranked side Namibia by 50 points, a handful more points than the tallys notched up against some of the other sides means very little in my view.

Absolutely agree, and more telling is where the so called established sides are losing and nearly losing to non tier one sides, frankly the standard at the top is heavily disappointing, and reflects the drop in standards overall since 2015.

Standards have dropped indeed. Even the godlike New Zealand team had to resort to a cross field kick to score their first try today and we all know that taylorman states this tactic is “anti” rugby and only used by sides that don’t have the creativity to score with ball in hand!

True, I thought that was poor. The first 20 minutes should have been spent breaking down namibia's 'reason to play', not getting gimmicky from the start with tricky plays.

Jordie should have used that possession and territory to smash the line and draw Namibia into the game fast, and physically, and wear them out.

Cos look what happened, Namibia werent rattled at all and went to stonewall the AB effort for the next 30-40 minutes.

For me the cross kick for easy try was like going for a dropped goal early in terms of how you want the match to play out- pointless.

They should have beat Namibia up physically from the start, especially with new combinations. Not doing that meant it took 40 minutes to finally fragment the opposition when they could have done it in 20.

...And look how it ended, ball in hand on the final buzzer in one of the best tries of the year.

Post match turns out Hansen blew them up at half time for a poor attitude. I think it was his poor tactics imposed on a team with new combinations- Jordie at 10? when hes never played there ever as far as I know.

What it proves to me is against the knockout sides they cant start 'gimmicky'. They have to establish a platform that grinds down the opposition, draws them in, THEN open the game up.

Someone like England or Wales etc would have kept what Namibia did for 40 up for 80, and we would have probably lost, if we started a test doing cross kicks and 50/50 passes. Part of being able to play an open game is to establish an 'uphill' position to be able to do so.

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Post by maestegmafia Tue 08 Oct 2019, 7:44 am

Neil Francis on the All Blacks

“Refs letting All Blacks cheat with impunity makes them even more difficult to overcome“

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2019/neil-francis-refs-letting-all-blacks-cheat-with-impunity-makes-them-even-more-difficult-to-overcome-38566400.html

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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:25 am

How many ticks does the SA goal kicker have? surely once he moves forward Canada can charge him down.
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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:26 am

Was Read cited?
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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:27 am

That is a cracking try.
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Post by bsando Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:28 am

Wow what a try, poor Canada

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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:28 am

19-0 after only 11 mins
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Post by Duty281 Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:30 am

South Africa might get 100 if their kicker can hurry up!

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Post by Old Man Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:31 am

In 1995 SA beat Canada 20-0 after 80 minutes of play

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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:32 am

Canada are aware that they can hold onto the ball?

Maybe they should stick to Ice Hockey?
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:32 am

These games do nothing for anyone.

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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:34 am

try 4 coming up.
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Post by Old Man Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:35 am

It is good for my ego Very Happy

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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:36 am

there it is. 17:25s to get a try bonus point.
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Post by Galted Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:37 am

LordDowlais wrote:These games do nothing for anyone.

Cobus Reinach probably disagrees.

Sad to see how Canada have fallen, I remember NZ having a bit of a physical battle against them in the '91 world cup QFs and now they seem competely unable to tackle.

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Post by Old Man Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:38 am

Damn that was quick

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Post by TightHEAD Tue 08 Oct 2019, 11:38 am

hatrick in 20min, this is embarrassing.
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