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Post by BigGee Sun 24 Oct 2021, 10:46 am

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Scotland v Tonga
Saturday 30th October 2021

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Well an international for Scotland to make up for the cancelled matches this summer. We will be without our English and French based players, this match falling outside the window so it will be the opportunity to blood a few new guys and see if they look up to the pace of international rugby. It will also be the chance for the SRU to put a few quid back into its coffers after the lean times of the past few years. I am not normally in favour of playing four games in the autumn, but this time round, for the reasons mentioned, it is probably justifiable.


Tonga are unlikely to be at full strength either but those of us with medium term memories won't forget what Tonga did to Scotland in 2012, possibly the low point of a generally very low period for Scottish rugby and an event that cost Andy Robinson his job!

There is always the hint of a banana skin about a match like this with everything to lose and little to gain for Scotland. Tonga will no doubt turn up proud to represent their country and will be skillful and physical as always if probably more than a little bit under prepared.

Still our players need to be professional about this and especially those that have ambitions to develop their Scotland careers, this is their opportunity to show what they can do.

A decent win for Scotland is probably the only acceptable result for us here, so would expect a team with youngsters and uncapped players mixed with a few old hands to give it some steel. Maybe something like this:


1. Schoeman
2. Turner
3. Keeble
4. Gilchrist
5. Sykes
6. Ritchie
7. Darge
8. Fagerson M
9. Horne G - Probably should be Dobie as Georgie not playing well atm!
10. Thompson
11. Mclean
12. Johnson
13. Bennett
14. Steyn
15. Graham/Hoyland - I can't decide!

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Post by jimbopip Fri 29 Oct 2021, 11:21 am

Anglo, this "fairly green" Tongan side includes a 37 year old stand off. If he runs past Blairhorn we're all in trouble.
Also Fokotui in the backrow will be renewing his acquaintance with most of the Scotland players. He's one Tonga player who will know that winning in Edinburgh can be very easy.
Finally, Walter Fifuta is on the wing. Glasgow have only just signed him. Six and a half foot, 18 stone and fast apparently.

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Post by jimbopip Fri 29 Oct 2021, 11:24 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:GC! Get well you Ayr originating world class chap. Get yerself back to Scotland, as it sounds like the michelin star cuisine of Leith is all you need (chippie, salt n'sauce washed down with Irn Bru).

As for Kinghorn getting mashed, dream on my friend. If I had a quid for every time the phrase "deceptively quick" was deployed for Kinghorn I'd be drinking a marginally better vintage of Petrus this evening...

As an aside, I have a four tickets going a begging for the South Africa game, so PM me if interested.

Fes, ignore my PM. The Quiet Bok has invested his bawbees in a trip to Cardiff and doesn't think his liver could stand two weekends in a row. Erm

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 29 Oct 2021, 12:10 pm

No problem, I hadn't got round to messaging your imaginary friend. Lord knows what that number you gave me was for, but I'm sure she'd have loved me long time.

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Post by jimbopip Fri 29 Oct 2021, 5:54 pm

Mrspip tells me you lot on here are my imaginary friends.

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Post by tigertattie Fri 29 Oct 2021, 6:31 pm

jimbopip wrote:Mrspip tells me you lot on here are my imaginary friends.

Aww. You consider me a friend. Im touched.
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Post by tigertattie Fri 29 Oct 2021, 6:58 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:GC, get well soon. I hope you can recover well and continue with your fitness efforts, just without the contact in boxing maybe?Shocked  
Travelling, or should I say, swimming up the M6 today, to take the junior Anglos to the Tonga game tomorrow. I have just checked the forecast, and there is sunshine from 2pm in Edinburgh. Should be a great day for the new tyros to put their hands up.
Hopefully our forwards can dominate, and give the backs loads of ball to run amuck.
I understand it is a fairly green Tonga team, so they will be very keen, as well as robust.
Could be a good match with both sides having something to prove.

No idea What forecast you have looked at. It’s down to pish down all weekend
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Post by Highland Shaun Fri 29 Oct 2021, 7:14 pm

It's not just this match where players will be playing in unfamiliar positions leading to amazement from fans.

Northampton v Tigers on Saturday (Mon the Tigers), a certain Rory Hutchinson is playing at FB :O :O :O.

Wonder what Toonie thinks of that, is it an option for us too lol.

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Post by RDW Fri 29 Oct 2021, 8:51 pm

Highland Shaun wrote:It's not just this match where players will be playing in unfamiliar positions leading to amazement from fans.

Northampton v Tigers on Saturday (Mon the Tigers), a certain Rory Hutchinson is playing at FB :O :O :O.

Wonder what Toonie thinks of that, is it an option for us too lol.

Versatility is no bad thing!

He's such a talented player but just doesn't seem to fit the mould with Toonie. His time will hopefully come.

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Post by Anglobraveheart Fri 29 Oct 2021, 11:31 pm

tigertattie wrote:
Anglobraveheart wrote:GC, get well soon. I hope you can recover well and continue with your fitness efforts, just without the contact in boxing maybe?Shocked  
Travelling, or should I say, swimming up the M6 today, to take the junior Anglos to the Tonga game tomorrow. I have just checked the forecast, and there is sunshine from 2pm in Edinburgh. Should be a great day for the new tyros to put their hands up.
Hopefully our forwards can dominate, and give the backs loads of ball to run amuck.
I understand it is a fairly green Tonga team, so they will be very keen, as well as robust.
Could be a good match with both sides having something to prove.

No idea What forecast you have looked at. It’s down to pish down all weekend
BBC and Met Office Tiger.  Both showing sunshine from 2pm. I'll take my sun block with me OK

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Post by Anglobraveheart Fri 29 Oct 2021, 11:35 pm

jimbopip wrote:Anglo, this "fairly green" Tongan side includes a 37 year old stand off. If he runs past Blairhorn we're all in trouble.
Also Fokotui in the backrow will be renewing his acquaintance with most of the Scotland players. He's one Tonga player who will know that winning in Edinburgh can be very easy.
Finally, Walter Fifuta is on the wing. Glasgow have only just signed him. Six and a half foot, 18 stone and fast apparently.
Hi Jimbo, I had read that the club tied Tongans had not been released, salary to our France and England based players.
We too have a 'green' side, but ably supported by some good experience and 3 Lions.

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Post by Anglobraveheart Fri 29 Oct 2021, 11:42 pm

I've just read in ToL that Tonga have 6 first caps starting and 2 on the bench. NZ based players have not travelled, but French based are released for the game.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 30 Oct 2021, 7:13 am

Highland Shaun wrote:
thefinalthistle wrote:Get well soon GC! Something to read whilst you while away the hours in recuperation:

https://thefinalthistle.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/toony-tombola-versus-tonga/

Personally think it would've been the perfect time to bleed McCallum back in, alongside capping Richardson ASAP. The most important thing from this series will be getting Ashman and Bayliss capped!

Another very good article Andrew Smile.
Agreed - keep them coming.
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Post by George Carlin Sat 30 Oct 2021, 7:29 am

Thanks all for the messages of support and predictable sledging.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 30 Oct 2021, 8:15 am

GC… boxing? At your age?! What were you thinking!

Delighted to hear you’re on the mend. Obviously your doctor is unfamiliar with Scottish rugby or they’d have instantly banned you from watching these games. No recovering patient needs the soaring blood pressure that comes with watching Scotland attempt to play rugby!

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Post by RDW Sat 30 Oct 2021, 12:30 pm

Well have fun everyone, particularly those going to Murrayfield at long last.

It's a really scratch Tonga team so we should be aiming for a decent win, even with the inexperience team we have out.

I suspect it'll be a high scoring game!

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Post by jimbopip Sat 30 Oct 2021, 1:09 pm

Flounder, common sense says that any decent international side should hammer that Tongan XV. And we are a decent international side. More than decent most times.
However, we are also Scotland. picard
I await the kick off with trepidation.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:39 pm

Good start by Tonga

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:40 pm

Was that not knocked on?


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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:42 pm

No good try for Mclean, his first of many!

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:48 pm

Penalty Tonga

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Post by Old Man Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:49 pm

That was a great try.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:50 pm

And another for Mclean who really looks born to this stuff!

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Post by tigertattie Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:52 pm

Got to hand it to blairhorn also for the pass
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Post by Old Man Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:55 pm

tigertattie wrote:Got to hand it to blairhorn also for the pass

was a great set piece move, from the line out they pulled defenders in. Then created the skip pass overlap.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:57 pm

Another penalty to Tonga

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:58 pm

Kinghorn lucky there, that had interception written all over it!

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Post by tigertattie Sat 30 Oct 2021, 2:58 pm

And then blairhorn flings a stinker
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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:00 pm

Another good set piece try, Scotland look very dangerous when they move the ball

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:04 pm

Tonga showing how to stay in the game by kicking your penalties, their kicker is good

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:07 pm

Schoeman powers over, the new caps are having their day for sure!

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:11 pm

Steyn not wanting to be undone goes over for his second.

Tonga falling off tackles now, it is going to be a long afternoon for them.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:15 pm

That is the second time Graham has been steamrollered by Fifita. It is tough on him against such a big man, but a better team would take advantage of that.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:17 pm

Wingers just dream about days like these!

All three speedsters Mclean, Graham and Steyn involved in that one

Hat trick for Steyn

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Post by Old Man Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:19 pm

Tonga just doesn't have the organisation to play these tier one teams.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:28 pm

Old Man wrote:Tonga just doesn't have the organisation to play these tier one teams.


They are missing a raft of players unfortunately with it being outside the window, apparently 9 come into the squad next week, it is a tough ask for them.

Scotland playing well though

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Post by jimbopip Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:33 pm

ADHD Kid will be sore tomorrow morning. It'll be interesting to see if Toonie hooks him for Thompson; Blarehorn to 15. Or keeps Blarehorn at 10 where he hasn't been totally convincing. Not actually bad either 🤷 just not very good.
Fifth looks to have potential.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:35 pm

Graham got clattered again there. He is to brave for his own good sometimes

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Post by George Carlin Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:51 pm

Such a p!sser I’m still at hospital and not home where I would be watching this. It sounds like men against boys.

What I hope we don’t do (because Sanzar trams wouldn’t) is take our foot off the gas. I want another 6 tries in this half. These kids need to realize that they’re playing for future test shirts.
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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:58 pm

Tonga get a deserved try from close range after Harley gets a YC

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 3:59 pm

Thompson and Dobie on for their debuts

Kinghorn goes back to FB

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 4:03 pm

That may well be a card, took him in the air and hit his head

Its a YC

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 4:08 pm

That looked pretty high on Johnson as well

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 4:12 pm

What a pass from Ritchie, Haining gets the try

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 4:17 pm

Kyle Steyn MoM - he certainly has had a good game

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 4:26 pm

A fourth try to Steyn comfirms his MoM performance

60-14 Scotland at FT

A decent afternoons work and a few players have definitely put their hands up for the next few weeks and the harder games

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Post by jimbopip Sat 30 Oct 2021, 5:04 pm

Still in hospital GC?That must be a bad case of rickets you have there. World class rickets from Ayr?
Titman and Seaman were superb.
Blarehorn wasn't 100% convincing.
Shona played like it was his 20th cap.
But for me Thompson and Dobbie were the big positives. Thompson look more like an international 10 than Blarehorn and Dobbie looked very comfortable.

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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 5:10 pm

I can see Dobie overtaking Georgie this series and establishing himself as Price deputy.

Horne with Vellacott and Sheil coming up hard on the rails may slip down the pecking order.

We surely can't keep all three of our top SHs at Glasgow though and surely one of them will be moving on, maybe Georgie would benefit from a move away where he might have to work a bit more on his game management, which is letting him down atm

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Post by Anglobraveheart Sat 30 Oct 2021, 6:16 pm

Jimbo, your assessment is spot on. I thought that the new cap second rows were also solid.
Rob Harley has become a very big unit. Didn't really notice him much live at the game, but maybe it was his groundwork and breakdown efforts that are difficult to see from a distance with my ageing eyes.
It was really good to see the new caps show up so well.
I've read that DVdM stored 2 tries in Wuss's first victory of the season this afternoon, but there was no mention of Rory Sutherland. Also Matt Scott was not listed for Leicester.
Do we know why Sutherland and Scott didn't play today?
Sam Johnson took a cheap shot to the head today, hopefully he will be ok, but we may need Matt Scott as a replacement?


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Post by BigGee Sat 30 Oct 2021, 6:30 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:Jimbo, your assessment is spot on. I thought that the new cap second rows were also solid.
Rob Harley has become a very big unit. Didn't really notice him much live at the game, but maybe it was his groundwork and breakdown efforts that are difficult to see from a distance with my ageing eyes.
It was really good to see the new caps show up so well.
I've read that DVdM stored 2 tries in Wuss's first victory of the season this afternoon, but there was no mention of Rory Sutherland. Also Matt Scott was not listed for Leicester.
Do we know why Sutherland and Scott didn't play today?
Sam Johnson took a cheap shot to the head today, hopefully he will be ok, but we may need Matt Scott as a replacement?


Leicester rotate a bit and Scott has played most games this season.

Good to see VDM hit some form, he will need it based on how the two wingers played today!

Not sure about Sutherland, but Schoeman and Bhatti would not let us down if they played.


We suddenly seem to have a bit of depth!

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