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Post by GeordieFalcon Wed 27 Oct 2021, 12:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

England squad for autumn Tests:

Forwards: Jamie Blamire (Newcastle), Callum Chick (Newcastle), Jamie George (Saracens), Tom Curry (Sale), Trevor Davison (Newcastle), Nic Dolly (Leicester), Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Ellis Genge (Leicester), Jonny Hill (Exeter), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton), Lewis Ludlam (Northampton), Joe Marler (Harlequins), George Martin (Leicester), Sam Simmonds (Exeter), Kyle Sinckler (Bristol), Will Stuart (Bath), Sam Underhill (Bath)

Backs: Mark Atkinson (Gloucester), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Tommy Freeman (Northampton), George Furbank (Northampton), Max Malins (Saracens), Jonny May (Gloucester), Raffi Quirke (Sale), Adam Radwan (Newcastle), Harry Randall (Bristol), Henry Slade (Exeter), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester), Manu Tuilagi (Sale), Joe Marchant (Quins), Ben Youngs (Leicester)

In Positions:
1.Marler, Genge
2.George, Blamire, Dolly
3.Sinckler, Stuart, Davison
4.Itoje, Hill
5.Lawes, Ewels
6.Curry, Martin
7.Underhill, Ludlam
8.Dombrandt, Simmonds, Chick

9.Youngs, Randall, Quirke
10.Smith

11.May, Radwan
12.Farrell, Atkinson
13.Tuilagi, Slade
14.Freeman, Marchant
15.Steward, Malins, Furbank
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England v Tonga - 6th November
England v Australia - 13th November
England v South Africa - 20th November

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 2:06 pm

Faz ruled out.

Furbank starting at 10 - Smith surely not fully fit!

Lawes skippering. Personally would have gone with Itoje or Curry.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 2:18 pm

king_carlos wrote:Faz ruled out.

Furbank starting at 10 - Smith surely not fully fit!

Lawes skippering. Personally would have gone with Itoje or Curry.

If he's not fit whys he on the bench though. If Furbanknis injured after a minute what happens.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 2:43 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Faz ruled out.

Furbank starting at 10 - Smith surely not fully fit!

Lawes skippering. Personally would have gone with Itoje or Curry.

If he's not fit whys he on the bench though. If Furbanknis injured after a minute what happens.

I'm not picking the side pal. I'd have Ford in the 23 with Smith and Farrell starting at 10 and 12 with everyone fit. To me the tactical difference Ford's control can offer from the bench is worth having in the matchday squad even with Smith starting. Especially with the 50-22 rule changing how sides defend the back field.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 2:49 pm

A general question which is just baffling me. Would have 3 tens in the match day squad myself. Oh well we wait for Smith in the 2nd half.

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Post by hugehandoff Sat 06 Nov 2021, 2:52 pm

If Smith is fir he has to start. I am sure Furbank has enjoyed little more training at 10 than Smith has this week. We will just kill time until Smith arrives.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 06 Nov 2021, 2:57 pm

I think they are planning on Smith starting the next 2 tests and want to protect him today.

If Farrell is isolating for 10 days they have to bring Ford back into the squad surely

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:14 pm

yappysnap wrote:
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yappysnap wrote:Also does anyone know of any streams for this? Annoyingly even though I have prime TV the games aren't covered in NZ Rolling Eyes


There is a replay on Sunday at 6:00pm on Sky sports 1. I presume this game clashes with as ABs v Italy. You will find all /most of the other games are broadcast live.

Sweet cheers OK


Its live Sky Sports 5.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:23 pm

Is the game being telly vised i cannot find it on any channel?

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Post by broadlandboy Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:25 pm

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:26 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:Is the game being telly vised i cannot find it on any channel?

I wonder what google is for?

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:27 pm

Well apart from the obvious, I want yo see Johnny Hill really put a marker down today....IF hes going to keep hold of that dhirt

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:29 pm

Get in Radderz

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:31 pm

Bright start from England. On the brief replay it looked a lot like Furbank was obstructing the defenders coming across though!

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Post by lostinwales Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:40 pm

Just nice seeing Tuilagi there and doing all the small things well

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Post by lostinwales Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:41 pm

Good maul

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:42 pm

king_carlos wrote:Bright start from England. On the brief replay it looked a lot like Furbank was obstructing the defenders coming across though!

Yeah I was waiting on the TMO to call us back for that.

The talk about Furbank running at 10 during the well might have been overhyped. Youngs is constantly having to look for him and the backs moves look a little stilted. None of it looks like someone who's been given the minutes to make sure stepping in his seemless. Hopefully he grows into the game and the familiarisation comes.

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Post by lostinwales Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:43 pm

And that is what Steward is for

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:46 pm

lostinwales wrote:And that is what Steward is for

He'll catch then all day. No idea why Curry then concedes a penalty trying to shield him.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:50 pm

Nice break. Ran completely away from everyone though.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:56 pm

Finally nice.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:58 pm

Steward has started brightly both in defence and attack.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:58 pm

Steward, Radwan and May look really good together as a back three.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 3:59 pm

king_carlos wrote:Steward, Radwan and May look really good together as a back three.

They do indeed. Radwan is working very hard

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:00 pm

Steward is looking very good. The future and present right there

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:00 pm

Ah that's not a penalty...come on

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:02 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Steward is looking very good. The future and present right there

He's doing Steward things. Nothing fancy just all the bits you want him to do to give confidence and space to his back three. His big tests are still to come but it's a good start so far.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:02 pm

Very nice offload by Genge.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:02 pm

God I love Tuilagi, yes it's only Tonga but still.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:03 pm

Harsh yellow

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:03 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:God I love Tuilagi, yes it's only Tonga but still.

Weve been robbed of him for too many time....

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:03 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Harsh yellow

Been that law for a fair while now.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:05 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Harsh yellow

Been that law for a fair while now.

I know but I think he was challenging for the ball...albeit a bit clumsily. Never a yellow card imo

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:05 pm

With how those contests are now reffed it's not inconsistent to be yellow card but I've got to agree with Veainu that his eyes are on the ball. It's not like Daly's red card against Argentina when he took his eyes off the ball, over ran, wasn't even off the ground and wipes out the man in the air. Kata's eyes are on the ball and he is trying to compete, May has just completely beaten him by getting higher then they collide.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:06 pm

I'm not sure it was a genuine attempt for the ball, he would have known May was getting there first.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:06 pm

Wow Lawes

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:06 pm

I make that the first ruck Lawes has been involved in. Great chasing back though.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:08 pm

Outstanding by Lawes.

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:08 pm

Courtney, Courtney, Courtney.

Steward seemed to get there a touch early and couldn't line him up properly.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:09 pm

What a tackle from Lawes! Awful defending from Steward, Lawes really saved his bacon.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:10 pm

For those questioning the pace of Steward he got back to TV there. Only managed to slow him down for Lawes to complete the job but catching TV is still a good effort. TV has pace for days and the step is still devastating, glad to see that he's still got it always been a player that's great to watch.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:11 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:What a tackle from Lawes! Awful defending from Steward, Lawes really saved his bacon.

Same player has just left Underhill requiring medical treatment after stepping him in a space similar to a phone box.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:13 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:For those questioning the pace of Steward he got back to TV there. Only managed to slow him down for Lawes to complete the job but catching TV is still a good effort. TV has pace for days and the step is still devastating, glad to see that he's still got it always been a player that's great to watch.

He was coming across on an angle, My gran wouls have caught TV there. She'd have made a better attempt at a tackle too!

Apart from that, Steward has looked solid though. Furbank surprising a better 10 than 15 too!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:14 pm

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Sgt_Pooly wrote:What a tackle from Lawes! Awful defending from Steward, Lawes really saved his bacon.

Same player has just left Underhill requiring medical treatment after stepping him in a space similar to a phone box.

Can always count on you and those Tigers tinted glasses Sam!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:14 pm

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formerly known as Sam wrote:For those questioning the pace of Steward he got back to TV there. Only managed to slow him down for Lawes to complete the job but catching TV is still a good effort. TV has pace for days and the step is still devastating, glad to see that he's still got it always been a player that's great to watch.

He was coming across on an angle, My gran wouls have caught TV there. She'd have made a better attempt at a tackle too!

Apart from that, Steward has looked solid though. Furbank surprising a better 10 than 15 too!

Did well to slow him for me. And I disagree on Furbank good running ball in hand everything else suggests he's not a fly half for me.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:14 pm

A good try to round off a strong half for Youngs.

I've thought that Fubank has done pretty well overall, albeit with an armchair ride!

Hopefully Dombrandt can get on fairly early in the second half given the way they are dominating. I'd probably get Blamire and Stuart on early too so they get a chance.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
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formerly known as Sam wrote:For those questioning the pace of Steward he got back to TV there. Only managed to slow him down for Lawes to complete the job but catching TV is still a good effort. TV has pace for days and the step is still devastating, glad to see that he's still got it always been a player that's great to watch.

He was coming across on an angle, My gran wouls have caught TV there. She'd have made a better attempt at a tackle too!

Apart from that, Steward has looked solid though. Furbank surprising a better 10 than 15 too!

Did well to slow him for me. And I disagree on Furbank good running ball in hand everything else suggests he's not a fly half for me.

I never suggested he was a good 10....just better than at 15 Smile

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Post by king_carlos Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:20 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:What a tackle from Lawes! Awful defending from Steward, Lawes really saved his bacon.

Same player has just left Underhill requiring medical treatment after stepping him in a space similar to a phone box.

Can always count on you and those Tigers tinted glasses Sam!

I sometimes wonder if there's an alternative universe where Northampton rather than Tigers kept poaching Falcons players a few years back leading to a poster called General_Dooly on 707v2 slagging off every Saints player that comes near the England squad... Hug

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Post by lostinwales Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:21 pm

Given TV's rep I wouldn't mark Steward down too much for missing him. That tackle by Lawes was a bit special.

Manu is looking very slim and is playing very well. He and Slade are switching between 12 and 13 as before.

Curry is doing good things but he's not Billy by any means

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:23 pm

It has to be said it wasn't great from Steward and i'd want my full back making the tackle not relying on someone else to do it. If that was Daly we'd all be rightfully admonishing him.

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Post by GeordieFalcon Sat 06 Nov 2021, 4:23 pm

Well I think Steward has been EXACTLY what I hoped for in his first meaningful start for England.

The Rock at the back who has quick hands and an improving attack.

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