Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

First topic message reminder :

It does seem that this cat video is pretty old. But, also oeople seem more upset about it then say, Chelsea having a player who killed someone when he was drink driving.

We are a nation of animal lovers, my mum was all in on Romanian rescue dogs, not so keen on Romanian people.
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[beninho]

Net zero and its like has always polled pretty popular. It seems levies run st appx £150pa for people. Which is a drop in the ocean compared to overall costs.

[beninho]

https://publicpolicyprojects.com/thought-leadership/the-cost-of-net-zero-and-the-cost-of-living/

[super_realist]

Green levy is equal to 8% and VAT is 5%, so why not just take it off?

[beninho]

Because as mentioned in the article it seems to have benefitted many people especially those on lower incomes.

[super_realist]

Because as mentioned in the article it seems to have benefitted many people especially those on lower incomes.

Yeah, sure it has. Ask someone on low income now if they give a toss about net zero or heating their home

[McLaren]

Ultimately schemes like net zero are a con anyway. If governments were really serious about climate change they would be reducing the carbon pumped out in the first place.

[McLaren]

[JuliusHMarx]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62753949

"In 2013, the coalition government led by David Cameron made a series of changes, including cutting back support for energy efficiency and later ended subsidies for onshore wind.

"If we hadn't done that, energy bills this year would be billions of pounds lower than they are," "

"A report earlier this year by energy analysis site Carbon Brief said bills in the UK were nearly £2.5bn higher than they would have been if climate policies had not been scrapped over the past decade."

[Duty281]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62753949

"In 2013, the coalition government led by David Cameron made a series of changes, including cutting back support for energy efficiency and later ended subsidies for onshore wind.

"If we hadn't done that, energy bills this year would be billions of pounds lower than they are," "

"A report earlier this year by energy analysis site Carbon Brief said bills in the UK were nearly £2.5bn higher than they would have been if climate policies had not been scrapped over the past decade."

Sounds a lot when they word it like that, in reality it's just £60 a year which is a tiny percentage of the increase to everyone's energy bills.

The real crime has been not investing in nuclear and closing down perfectly good coal stations.

[JAS]

Ultimately schemes like net zero are a con anyway. If governments were really serious about climate change they would be reducing the carbon pumped out in the first place.

Just leave it to the market, it will resolve everything... from Net Zero to the Cost of living the market is king, let it sort it out. That's the ideological line and that's all this government are serious about...unless of course their mates run out of money then us taxpayers get to help...yay!!

[super_realist]

Ultimately schemes like net zero are a con anyway. If governments were really serious about climate change they would be reducing the carbon pumped out in the first place.

And put the entire country into poverty? Great idea Mac.

Net Zero isn't the problem, it's laughably unrealistic timescales. We rely oil and gas for our standard of living and getting rid when we don't have alternatives for everything we need it for is the problem theseTabitha's and Hugo's s face and can't grasp

[super_realist]

Weapons grade c***s and the very worst people to speak about Climate Change

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1565995708771176449?t=xEVVWH01p1X-pbDlQIFuMQ&s=19

Wages falling in real terms, bills going through the roof, businesses are struggling. So let's leak that the government will look at reducing your holidays and protection if you don't want to work over 48hr per week.

Who are they trying to appeal to. Can't just be old people.

[JAS]

Moving this hear from another thread...

Ironically Corbyn refuses to condemn Russia.

Has he specifically been asked and can one view the response on publicly available media? Not that I'd wish to view it as it would probably be an hour long diversionary thesis on all the ins and outs of why. If on the other hand some hack in the Daily Mail said so then it must be true. Speaking of hacks I took a boot load of apples from my garden to be juiced last week. The guy that does the juicing is a former journalist who has clearly made his millions (unless he's squatting in his sizeable rural Wiltshire pad) anyways we got talking and it turns out we are fellow "champagne" socialists as right wing zealots would term us or hard working aspirational working class that haven't forgot our roots as we called ourselves. Apparently many of the journos that trot out Murdoch, Dacre & Barclay brothers bilge actually moonlight quite a bit on lesser known left wing blogs & podcasts.

Anyway back to the assertion that Corbyn refuses to condemn Russia

From the horses mouth at 10:46...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuIM4_C7wOU

Now watch how the Murdoch machine put a different spin on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AExFFPLti8o

[super_realist]

Wasn't talking about the war Jas.

[pedro]

Someone on Aussie news calling Corbyns stance appeasement? Hardly a smear.

[super_realist]

Someone on Aussie news calling Corbyns stance appeasement? Hardly a smear.

I suppose it's nicer than calling him a c**t which is how most people would describe him.

[McLaren]

Why are we talking about Corbyn?

[JAS]

Why are we talking about Corbyn?

It came from the Golf in the crisis thread. Super (who’s apparently not a Tory) decided to defend them for the umpteenth time saying that the energy crisis wasn’t their fault. I jokingly and sarcastically chipped in that yeah it’s all Corbyns fault which then led to the erroneous change comment that Corbyn refused to condemn Russia. Classic deflection from the issue.

We all get that the fuel crisis is a world event and that individual governments can’t always prevent. However it is their duty to protect people from the worst effects of world events. Leaving sarcasm out of it this time round the Tories are wilfully culpable of neglect in protecting our people from the worst effects of this crisis, they’ve basically thrown half the population under the bus to line the pockets of their corporate mates.

[JAS]

I see Truss is off to a terrific start…appointing an obese smoker as Health Secretary, a brilliant example of how we could help the NHS by all taking a bit more personal responsibility for our own health.

[super_realist]

Why are we talking about Corbyn?

It came from the Golf in the crisis thread. Super (who’s apparently not a Tory) decided to defend them for the umpteenth time saying that the energy crisis wasn’t their fault. I jokingly and sarcastically chipped in that yeah it’s all Corbyns fault which then led to the erroneous change comment that Corbyn refused to condemn Russia. Classic deflection from the issue.

We all get that the fuel crisis is a world event and that individual governments can’t always prevent. However it is their duty to protect people from the worst effects of world events. Leaving sarcasm out of it this time round the Tories are wilfully culpable of neglect in protecting our people from the worst effects of this crisis, they’ve basically thrown half the population under the bus to line the pockets of their corporate mates.

I didn't day the energy crisis wasn't their fault, I said it was a combination of many things such as obsession with net zero, failure of successive governments planning, Ukraine etc.

Your implication that the energy crisis is purely down to this government is the laughable thing.

[super_realist]

I see Truss is off to a terrific start…appointing an obese smoker as Health Secretary, a brilliant example of how we could help the NHS by all taking a bit more personal responsibility for our own health.

I did chuckle at that when I saw her hilarious physique.

[JAS]

I see Truss is off to a terrific start…appointing an obese smoker as Health Secretary, a brilliant example of how we could help the NHS by all taking a bit more personal responsibility for our own health.

I did chuckle at that when I saw her hilarious physique.

I thought you’d appreciate that one :-p

[JAS]

Meanwhile…I bet Rishi and his fellow ex cabinet colleagues didn’t expect Thomas to rock up behind them at the job centre. Interesting to note the continuity between Russian and American ownership!!

[McLaren]

I see Truss is off to a terrific start…appointing an obese smoker as Health Secretary, a brilliant example of how we could help the NHS by all taking a bit more personal responsibility for our own health.

Apparently anti abortion as well. It is utterly crazy that a pro lifer can hold a position where they have authority over women's health in 2022. It is just so frustrating that we can't leave views like that in the past.

[super_realist]

I see Truss is off to a terrific start…appointing an obese smoker as Health Secretary, a brilliant example of how we could help the NHS by all taking a bit more personal responsibility for our own health.

Apparently anti abortion as well. It is utterly crazy that a pro lifer can hold a position where they have authority over women's health in 2022. It is just so frustrating that we can't leave views like that in the past.

Anyone who holds any religious beliefs should be banned from office. Never ever heard an anti choice position that wasn't couched through religious indoctrination.

[McLaren]

Not sure how to respond to that Super. Sounds kinda crazy to me.

[super_realist]

Not sure how to respond to that Super. Sounds kinda crazy to me.

Look at it this way Mac, if you're the sort of moron who genuinely believes in what ghastly and immoral books like the Bible or Koran teach, what other unacceptable beliefs might one hold and attempt to shoehorn into law?
Look at the influence of religion in places like USA for example, and how much better systems that are far more secular are.

For example, were homosexuality not so derided in all religion, would it have taken until the 21st century to have gay marriage? Would science be so held back if idiotic theology wasn't so entrenched in our education?

[McLaren]

Super

For me the ideal would be that people with religious views wouldn't be elected or get into positions of authority. But the way you worded it sounded like you were talking about banning them from those positions. Quite different.

[super_realist]

Super

For me the ideal would be that people with religious views wouldn't be elected or get into positions of authority. But the way you worded it sounded like you were talking about banning them from those positions. Quite different.

I'll reword what I said. I'm happy to have people hold whatever beliefs they like, but we have no responsibility to give beliefs which are indistinguishable from fairy tales special treatment, respect, deference or any position of authority in our society.

Did you know for example that religions, despite all their wealth, property and land ownership pay no tax?
Why aren't we taxing The Church of England for example?

We could start by chucking all clergy from the House of Lords and not letting people like the Archbishop of Canterbury to opine on anything not connected to his myths. Who cares what he thinks?

[pedro]

I see Truss is off to a terrific start…appointing an obese smoker as Health Secretary, a brilliant example of how we could help the NHS by all taking a bit more personal responsibility for our own health.

You couldn’t have made it up. What kind of signal to send is that? Other than Truss apparently doesn’t give a sh!t what people think. Power and rewarding your friends is what matters.

I can easily see Coffey becoming one of supers favorites: fat, devoted catholic, anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage and Liverpool FC fan.

[super_realist]

Is Coffey all those things.
I don't understand how anyone can be against gay marriage or where they get that idea.
I'd you don't like gay marriage, it's simple, don't marry a gay person, otherwise how could who someone else is married to bother anyone?

[beninho]

https://inews.co.uk/news/therese-coffey-voting-record-new-health-secretary-votes-abortion-gay-rights-explained-edited-1837689

Dubious voting record for big Terese. I'm generally wary of people with really extreme views either way.

[super_realist]

https://inews.co.uk/news/therese-coffey-voting-record-new-health-secretary-votes-abortion-gay-rights-explained-edited-1837689

Dubious voting record for big Terese. I'm generally wary of people with really extreme views either way.  

Unless they're left wing

Hopefully she'll end up being seen as another religious crackpot and be embarrassed out of her job like that loser who was Lib Dem leader for five minutes. Was it Tim Farron or something? Rees Mogg is another Catholic twerp.

[beninho]

https://inews.co.uk/news/therese-coffey-voting-record-new-health-secretary-votes-abortion-gay-rights-explained-edited-1837689

Dubious voting record for big Terese. I'm generally wary of people with really extreme views either way.  

Unless they're left wing

Hopefully she'll end up being seen as another religious crackpot and be embarrassed out of her job like that loser who was Lib Dem leader for five minutes. Was it Tim Farron or something? Rees Mogg is another Catholic twerp.

Extreme left extreme right not for me Clive. Religious nut jobs or really anti religion again not for me.

I sometimes wish I had it in ne to be more het up about things.

[Soul Requiem]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

[incontinentia]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

I worked with a lady once who believed in mermaids

[super_realist]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

I worked with a lady once who believed in mermaids

Every bit as stupid as believing in Jewish sky zombies and moon cleaving kiddie fiddling Islamic prophets.

[incontinentia]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

I worked with a lady once who believed in mermaids

Every bit as stupid as believing in Jewish sky zombies and moon cleaving kiddie fiddling Islamic prophets.

It was hilarious, she was talking about alleged sightings off the coast of South Africa. She got offended when I was incredulous and asked if she really believed in that sort of thing.

[Galted]

moon cleaving kiddie fiddling Islamic prophets.

اس کافر کو کسی عمارت سے پھینک دو، ترجیحا دو یا زیادہ منزلوں میں سے ایک

[Galted]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

I worked with a lady once who believed in mermaids

Every bit as stupid as believing in Jewish sky zombies and moon cleaving kiddie fiddling Islamic prophets.

It was hilarious, she was talking about alleged sightings off the coast of South Africa. She got offended when I was incredulous and asked if she really believed in that sort of thing.

If they were found off the coast of South Africa they would almost certainly have been used as bait to catch great white sharks.

[Pal Joey]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

I worked with a lady once who believed in mermaids

Daryl Hannah is real... or at least was a real mermaid in that movie. Splash wasn't it?

[westisbest]

I’m not religious. Certainly not anti religion. If people want to be religious that’s fine with me. Have friends and some family who are religious. No bother, they just get on with it. I leave them to it and they don’t bother me with it. All good.

Certainly wouldn’t mock people for it. Bit sad in my book.
But hey we’re all different.

[westisbest]

Nothing wrong with being really anti religion. If people want to believe in mythical beings they get mocked accordingly, it's no different to believing elves and hobbits are real.

I worked with a lady once who believed in mermaids

Daryl Hannah is real... or at least was a real mermaid in that movie. Splash wasn't it?

Yeah.

[beninho]

I’m not religious. Certainly not anti religion. If people want to be religious that’s fine with me. Have friends and some family who are religious. No bother, they just get on with it. I leave them to it and they don’t bother me with it. All good.

Certainly wouldn’t mock people for it. Bit sad in my book.
But hey we’re all different.

I'm pretty much the same. I'm not a religious person though did get married in a church. I've attended plenty of church weddings. And christenings. I don't think I could be in a position to turn down invitations due to my hatred of religion.

[super_realist]

I’m not religious. Certainly not anti religion. If people want to be religious that’s fine with me. Have friends and some family who are religious. No bother, they just get on with it. I leave them to it and they don’t bother me with it. All good.

Certainly wouldn’t mock people for it. Bit sad in my book.
But hey we’re all different.

Would you not think someone who thought they had an invisible friend was a bit mad though?

[super_realist]

moon cleaving kiddie fiddling Islamic prophets.

اس کافر کو کسی عمارت سے پھینک دو، ترجیحا دو یا زیادہ منزلوں میں سے ایک

They genuinely believe in such a man .

[super_realist]

I’m not religious. Certainly not anti religion. If people want to be religious that’s fine with me. Have friends and some family who are religious. No bother, they just get on with it. I leave them to it and they don’t bother me with it. All good.

Certainly wouldn’t mock people for it. Bit sad in my book.
But hey we’re all different.

I'm pretty much the same. I'm not a religious person though did get married in a church. I've attended plenty of church weddings. And christenings.   I don't think I could be in a position to turn down invitations due to my hatred of religion.

I turned down being a god parent on the grounds I couldn't promise to look after the child in regards to the religious request.

[pedro]

I’m not religious. Certainly not anti religion. If people want to be religious that’s fine with me. Have friends and some family who are religious. No bother, they just get on with it. I leave them to it and they don’t bother me with it. All good.

Certainly wouldn’t mock people for it. Bit sad in my book.
But hey we’re all different.

I'm pretty much the same. I'm not a religious person though did get married in a church. I've attended plenty of church weddings. And christenings.   I don't think I could be in a position to turn down invitations due to my hatred of religion.

I turned down being a god parent on the grounds I couldn't promise to look after the child in regards to the religious request.

Something good does come from religion then...

[westisbest]

I’m not religious. Certainly not anti religion. If people want to be religious that’s fine with me. Have friends and some family who are religious. No bother, they just get on with it. I leave them to it and they don’t bother me with it. All good.

Certainly wouldn’t mock people for it. Bit sad in my book.
But hey we’re all different.

Would you not think someone who thought they had an invisible friend was a bit mad though?

Mad people probably do think that way.

To answer your question, probably would, but I also wouldn’t let it bother me.

My point is, just because people think differently, believe in things I don’t, no matter how far fetched they maybe, it’s just something I’m not to concerned with.

I’ve got more important things to concern myself with than someone being religious.

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