Ireland 2022/2023 - moving on

by Pot Hale Tue 02 Aug 2022, 8:47 pm

First topic message reminder :

The IRFU have been taking care of business whilst the national team have been taking the plaudits for their successful NZ tour series.

A week after the 3rd test, Leinster announced their new IRFU-approved CEO to take over from the long-serving and very successful Mick Dawson. As the wags put it, they searched Google and came up with their man - Shane Nolan - a Google executive who happens to be a longtime Leinster fan with a strong remit to build up the commercial side of the business including delivering the revamped RDS stadium and a lot more corporate backing.

Only a couple of days later, up popped the new CEO of the IRFU, Kevin Potts, to say they’d already sat down with Andy Farrell before he headed off to NZ and agreed a two-year extension to his contract with options to extend further if certain performance markers were met. Presumably that includes not just winning a RWC quarterfinal for the first time…

Farrell is being given the resources and budget to develop the best squad possible including a stronger input into provincial selections and development of all of his likely RWC squad players.

One gets the impression that IRFU supremo Kevin Potts is going for broke at his first attempt in securing greater success in the RWC than his long-term predecessor, Phillip Browne, ever achieved.

The Autumn Internationals and Emerging Ireland tour to SA provided an opportunity to develop a wider core of players outside Farrell’s 20-23 already selected cohort of players.

O’Toole, Loughman, Baird, McCarthy, Timoney, Carbery, Coombes, Casey, Larmour, Hume, Stockdale, Baloucoune, Frawley need greater club and country time this coming season, with possibly some being played out of their regular starting positions for province.

With the Six Nations coming up, and squad named for the first 1-2 games, a number of players have dropped back, and only 1 uncapped player made it through - Jamie Osborne, who might get an opportunity from the bench during one of the games.

All in all, it continues to be an interesting season in the run-up to the RWC.

by Old Man Sat 05 Nov 2022, 7:48 pm

protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Congrats to Ireland.

Poor display by the Boks on a number of fronts.

No creativity in attack. One dimensional, no shifting the contact point, poortactical kicking, poor goal kicking. Same old problems as always.

Need better coaches.You would expect them to win these matches.

And the same old Poopie, things never change, Frak this place

And you are still the same old deluded Springbok supporter. At what point are you going to admit the Boks have no attacking nous?

You still believe our maul should be our goto attack? Doh

by Collapse2005 Sat 05 Nov 2022, 7:52 pm

Old Man wrote:Congrats to Ireland.

Poor display by the Boks on a number of fronts.

No creativity in attack. One dimensional, no shifting the contact point, poortactical kicking, poor goal kicking. Same old problems as always.

Need better coaches.You would expect them to win these matches.

Why would you expect SA to win in Dublin? Since Irish rugby turned pro in 1999 Ireland have won 6 from 9 games against SA in Dublin. They are ranked 1st in the world for a reason. However much credit to SA for a big challenge.

by Old Man Sat 05 Nov 2022, 7:54 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Congrats to Ireland.

Poor display by the Boks on a number of fronts.

No creativity in attack. One dimensional, no shifting the contact point, poortactical kicking, poor goal kicking. Same old problems as always.

Need better coaches.You would expect them to win these matches.

Why would you expect SA to win in Dublin? Since Irish rugby turned pro in 1999 Ireland have won 6 from 9 games against SA in Dublin. They are ranked 1st in the world for a reason. However much credit to SA for a big challenge.

The way the Boks controlled territory and possession in the first half you would expect them to have used their opportunities to score at least one try, or perhaps two.

by Collapse2005 Sat 05 Nov 2022, 8:11 pm

Delighted that Jimmy OBrien came in and had a very solid game. Thought our front row row held up very well as I thought they would. Best performance I have seen from SA in Dublin in 20 years so good that Ireland managed to get the win in a game that could have gone either way. Dont think either side will feel over confident for their head to head in the RWC.

by **Galted** Sat 05 Nov 2022, 8:20 pm

protea438 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Didnt take long for the retarded "style of play" comment - yawn

What part of it do you disagree with?

by No 7&1/2 Sat 05 Nov 2022, 9:02 pm

I have to admit I made dinner at half time and I'm not planning on going back to watch the rest. Dire.

by Collapse2005 Sat 05 Nov 2022, 9:48 pm

Old Man wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Congrats to Ireland.

Poor display by the Boks on a number of fronts.

No creativity in attack. One dimensional, no shifting the contact point, poortactical kicking, poor goal kicking. Same old problems as always.

Need better coaches.You would expect them to win these matches.

Why would you expect SA to win in Dublin? Since Irish rugby turned pro in 1999 Ireland have won 6 from 9 games against SA in Dublin. They are ranked 1st in the world for a reason. However much credit to SA for a big challenge.

The way the Boks controlled territory and possession in the first half you would expect them to have used their opportunities to score at least one try, or perhaps two.

Maybe but Ireland defended very well as they have all year.

by thebandwagonsociety Sun 06 Nov 2022, 5:27 pm

In the past we needed Ireland to play a perfect game with first choice players in order to win a game like this. Now we can have Aki missing, henShaw drop out during the week. McCloskey who played a blinder then gets injured fairly early in the game. We put a debutant on in Jimmy OBrien to play in the position he would be least likely to cover and we took it in stride

Feel sorry for Murray too. Great servant, always bad when you get injured with no contact. Biggest blow for Murray was the step up in scrum half play was noticeable when GP came on.

by Collapse2005 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 5:32 pm

I see Rassie is on twitter making a bit of a fool of himself again.

https://www.ruck.co.uk/bitter-rassie-erasmus-calls-out-referee-decision-yet-again-on-twitter/

Not a great look, by contrast Kolisi is a classy operator.

by Collapse2005 Sun 06 Nov 2022, 5:33 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:In the past we needed Ireland to play a perfect game with first choice players in order to win a game like this. Now we can have Aki missing, henShaw drop out during the week. McCloskey who played a blinder then gets injured fairly early in the game. We put a debutant on in Jimmy OBrien to play in the position he would be least likely to cover and we took it in stride

Feel sorry for Murray too. Great servant, always bad when you get injured with no contact. Biggest blow for Murray was the step up in scrum half play was noticeable when GP came on.

Yeah it was so pleasing to see Jimmy OBrien play well.

by thebandwagonsociety Sun 06 Nov 2022, 8:13 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
thebandwagonsociety wrote:In the past we needed Ireland to play a perfect game with first choice players in order to win a game like this. Now we can have Aki missing, henShaw drop out during the week. McCloskey who played a blinder then gets injured fairly early in the game. We put a debutant on in Jimmy OBrien to play in the position he would be least likely to cover and we took it in stride

Feel sorry for Murray too. Great servant, always bad when you get injured with no contact. Biggest blow for Murray was the step up in scrum half play was noticeable when GP came on.

Yeah it was so pleasing to see Jimmy OBrien play well.

Before the game I would have brought Lowry from the A team rather than Jimmy. And Nash was one of the few backs that came out of that A game with reputation improved

by Old Man Mon 07 Nov 2022, 5:19 am

Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Interesting the perceptions that people have.

Whilst the Springboks haven't got a creative bone in their bodies, and their attacking platform seriously need a new coaching panel and new ideas, your perception is interesting because the Boks made more runs, made more meters, had more possession, more territory, made more clean breaks, made the same number of offloads, made less kicks from hand than the Irish.

by eirebilly_01 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 6:30 am

I actually enjoyed the game, it was a proper old style match. It is testament to the Irish defense that SA had so much ball yet rarely could pierce the defense. This is one major factor why Ireland are currently ranked number 1.

Farrell (and Schmidt before him) have done an amazing job at developing squad depth with players coming into the squad and the game seamlessly. This is something i have only seen the All Blacks manage to achieve.

Happy days ahead thumbsup

by Collapse2005 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 7:51 am

Old Man wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Interesting the perceptions that people have.

Whilst the Springboks haven't got a creative bone in their bodies, and their attacking platform seriously need a new coaching panel and new ideas, your perception is interesting because the Boks made more runs, made more meters, had more possession, more territory, made more clean breaks, made the same number of offloads, made less kicks from hand than the Irish.

They only had one less kick and had a fair bit more possession. Ireland also passed the ball a lot more that SA with less possession. The Boks do badly need an attack coach, Felix Jones may be living on borrowed time.

by No 7&1/2 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 8:01 am

Old Man wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Interesting the perceptions that people have.

Whilst the Springboks haven't got a creative bone in their bodies, and their attacking platform seriously need a new coaching panel and new ideas, your perception is interesting because the Boks made more runs, made more meters, had more possession, more territory, made more clean breaks, made the same number of offloads, made less kicks from hand than the Irish.

Don't know if it got better as a spectacle in the 2nd half but re the stats I reckon you'd see similar from England and those tactics too were dull as ditch water. And both coaches focusing on the fact that another day could have won, rather than say we showed little flair and entertainment factor.

by Old Man Mon 07 Nov 2022, 8:18 am

Collapse2005 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Interesting the perceptions that people have.

Whilst the Springboks haven't got a creative bone in their bodies, and their attacking platform seriously need a new coaching panel and new ideas, your perception is interesting because the Boks made more runs, made more meters, had more possession, more territory, made more clean breaks, made the same number of offloads, made less kicks from hand than the Irish.

They only had one less kick and had a fair bit more possession. Ireland also passed the ball a lot more that SA with less possession. The Boks do badly need an attack coach, Felix Jones may be living on borrowed time.

irish had nine more passes than the Boks.

My point is, we know the type of rugby Ireland plays, they go wide to wide and exploit space. The Boks won't recognise space if you put them into orbit. The fact is they urgently need an attacking coach to be able to utilise their possession and territorial advantages, but calling their play a yawn fest suggests they do nothing but maul and kick, which is nonsense. They just are not creative and are frustrating to watch.

by **Galted** Mon 07 Nov 2022, 8:28 am

Old Man wrote:

My point is, we know the type of rugby Ireland plays, they go wide to wide and exploit space. The Boks won't recognise space if you put them into orbit. The fact is they urgently need an attacking coach to be able to utilise their possession and territorial advantages, but calling their play a yawn fest suggests they do nothing but maul and kick, which is nonsense. They just are not creative and are frustrating to watch.

by eirebilly_01 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 8:37 am

I think some on here are being overly critical of SA. yes they won the last world cup but as Collapse states, Dublin is not a place that SA have had amazing success in. Ireland, being currently number 1, are there for a reason and i had them as favourites for this game.

SA may have had a below par performance but that is more down to the way Ireland nullified them. Ireland are a much better organised and coached team for me.

by Maine man Mon 07 Nov 2022, 11:59 am

Any word on McCloskey's injury?

by Collapse2005 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 12:36 pm

Old Man wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Interesting the perceptions that people have.

Whilst the Springboks haven't got a creative bone in their bodies, and their attacking platform seriously need a new coaching panel and new ideas, your perception is interesting because the Boks made more runs, made more meters, had more possession, more territory, made more clean breaks, made the same number of offloads, made less kicks from hand than the Irish.

They only had one less kick and had a fair bit more possession. Ireland also passed the ball a lot more that SA with less possession. The Boks do badly need an attack coach, Felix Jones may be living on borrowed time.

irish had nine more passes than the Boks.

My point is, we know the type of rugby Ireland plays, they go wide to wide and exploit space. The Boks won't recognise space if you put them into orbit. The fact is they urgently need an attacking coach to be able to utilise their possession and territorial advantages, but calling their play a yawn fest suggests they do nothing but maul and kick, which is nonsense. They just are not creative and are frustrating to watch.

Yeah but my point is that 9 more passes with significantly less possession is a lot more passes but yeah probably didnt word that well.

Anyway if Im being brutally honest the Boks have been a hard watch for a few years now but its hard not to admire their strengths and I am particularly happy that this time much more than any match in Dublin in over 20 years the Boks actually really went after this game and gave it everything. Fun to watch, shame about Rassie's post match tweets.

by Collapse2005 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 12:39 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:I think some on here are being overly critical of SA. yes they won the last world cup but as Collapse states, Dublin is not a place that SA have had amazing success in. Ireland, being currently number 1, are there for a reason and i had them as favourites for this game.

SA may have had a below par performance but that is more down to the way Ireland nullified them. Ireland are a much better organised and coached team for me.

I personally think thats the best I've seen the Boks play in Dublin in a long lone time. Sometimes when they play us you sort of get the sense they arent that bothered and they are on a bit of a NH jolly rather than actually gunning for a win, this time for once that wasn't the case at all.

by Duty281 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 12:41 pm

Old Man wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Dismal yawn-fest from South Africa again, they only started to play with 15 minutes left.

Interesting the perceptions that people have.

Whilst the Springboks haven't got a creative bone in their bodies, and their attacking platform seriously need a new coaching panel and new ideas, your perception is interesting because the Boks made more runs, made more meters, had more possession, more territory, made more clean breaks, made the same number of offloads, made less kicks from hand than the Irish.

That's what I meant by it being a yawn-fest - they're not creative and rely on bash and box-kick. At least they did for 65 minutes, with 15 minutes left they started to try things and scored a couple of tries. If they were a little more expansive throughout the 80, rather than relying on brute force, the result may have been different.

Ireland weren't sparkling either, for what it's worth. I think Ireland are very overrated by some.

SA should have won that game easily, as England should have won theirs, but the lack of creativity hampered both sides.

by Collapse2005 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 12:45 pm

Have anyone seen the youtube account called TASanalytics that does a video after almost every Boks match highlighting every little ref error that have gone against the Boks. The videos are very well produced and released quite quickly after each game and highly suspicious.

by eirebilly_01 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 12:48 pm

In what way would you say that Ireland are overrated Duty?

I think based on recent performance and tours, Ireland are where they are because they are very very good.

by Recwatcher16 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 4:39 pm

The SA game plan relies on Pollard in the same way the Irish rely on Sexton.
Great result for Ireland who got away with a few incorrect or missed calls by the ref but that happens for home sides. The result will give the irish confidence and I think they will need it for France next year, which will be another tight game.
I might be pessimistic but lady luck will really need to be smiling for Sexton to survive a full world cup campaign as he will be well in to his 39th year, this time next year. I would guess Irish fans are trying not to think about it.

by Old Man Mon 07 Nov 2022, 4:59 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Have anyone seen the youtube account called TASanalytics that does a video after almost every Boks match highlighting every little ref error that have gone against the Boks. The videos are very well produced and released quite quickly after each game and highly suspicious.

Yep, I am sick and tired of this habit of TASanalytics, Rassie, and even the Supersport studio always having a go at the referee. Superport studio guests on final whistle last night had a run of clips complaining about inconsistencies as well.

Whilst some of the inconsistencies I would agree with it smacks of sour grapes and has now become staple diet to many Springbok fans.

It is harming our reputation and most youtube clips have now become vitriolic with comments from both sides.

The fact is these complaints won't change results, will only cause referees to have a more negative attitude towrds the Springboks and above all take away from the focus of why we aren't utilising our physical, territorial and possessional advantages when they arise.

The reality is our coaching staff is stoic in their mantra of how they want to play the game, sticking to this nonsense of South African DNA and not open minded enough to adapt.

The fact is, if we aren't going to improve our attacking nous, then how can you go into a tough test match without a recognised kicker.

When it has been proven during the URC that European teams have techniques and strategies on countering the maul (which I don't necessarily believe is all that legal) why persist with mauls?

Kolbe had no impact during the weekend (other than conceding a yellow card) as he never got any ball or space.

Jesse Kriel isn't half the player Am is, and whether you consider Am's defensive brilliance or attacking brilliance, Kriel comes nowhere near.

Pollard was missed due to his kicking ability.

Nienaber persists with Wiese who is as onedimensional as a straight line and Roos is niwhere to be seen.

At home you have a Stormers flyhalf who has been consistently great over the past 18 months and nowhere near the Boks, and funnily enough he can kick too.

Focus on being 15 points better than the opposition and the referee won't matter, focus on scoring more tries and the 15 point margin becomes a possibility.

by Collapse2005 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 5:16 pm

Recwatcher16 wrote:The SA game plan relies on Pollard in the same way the Irish rely on Sexton.
Great result for Ireland who got away with a few incorrect or missed calls by the ref but that happens for home sides. The result will give the irish confidence and I think they will need it for France next year, which will be another tight game.
I might be pessimistic but lady luck will really need to be smiling for Sexton to survive a full world cup campaign as he will be well in to his 39th year, this time next year. I would guess Irish fans are trying not to think about it.

Honestly SA equally got away with a few calls too, there just arent a plethora of well produced review clips on youtube from suspicious accounts and from Rassie himself highlighting them. I could point you to a few of them though for balance if you like though Id rather not.

by neilthom7 Mon 07 Nov 2022, 7:32 pm

Maine man wrote:Any word on McCloskey's injury?

According to the report today he is healing quickly so if not ready for Fiji you would expect him to ready next week.

Murray is out for the rets of the Autumn series though, Henderson is back in the Ireland side too

by mikey_dragon Tue 08 Nov 2022, 10:58 am

Old Man, you might get your wish now that Libbok is on the bench. Could be a turd game against France though.

by Maine man Thu 10 Nov 2022, 1:18 pm

Ireland team for Saturday:
O'Brien; Baloucoune, Henshaw, McCloskey, Hansen; Carbery, Gibson-Park; Loughman, Herring, Furlong (capt), Beirne, Treadwell; Doris, Timoney, Conan.

Replacements: Sheehan, Healy, O'Toole, Prendergast, Deegan, Casey, Crowley, Ringrose.

That's the centre partnership I've wanted to see for a while. Would have liked to have seen Lowry at full back too. Would have rested Ringrose completely.

by Collapse2005 Thu 10 Nov 2022, 3:16 pm

Good team. Good mix of new and established. No point picking 15 new players as they might as well just play for Ireland A if that's the case. The new guys learn a lot more from playing with established guys. Glad that McCloskey and Balocoune get more minutes

by Unclear Thu 10 Nov 2022, 3:42 pm

Decent team. I would have wanted Lowry at 15, but O'Brien deserves a chance especially after his performance last week. Really looking forward to seeing the centre partnership, I think it could be fantastic. I'm also surprised with Ringrose on the bench, but there must be some concern given the fitness status of both the starters. Throwing Hume on if Henshaw pulled up would leave a very inexperienced (at international level) set of backs.

Surprised at he forwards subs, can Prendergast or Deegan cover the second row?

by theslosty Thu 10 Nov 2022, 4:14 pm

Prendergast has played 2nd row for Connacht plenty I believe

by Unclear Thu 10 Nov 2022, 4:36 pm

Thanks, I guess some positional flexibility is always good in the limited size RWC squad.

by westisbest Thu 10 Nov 2022, 6:27 pm

Pleased that O’Brien gets a start. Also McClusky. Thought he had a good game against the boks till he went off injured. Good player.

by Collapse2005 Thu 10 Nov 2022, 8:09 pm

Thats one of the worst attempts at a pass I think I have ever seen from ODonoghue in the Munster match.

Great stuff overall though from Munster v the Boks.

by Collapse2005 Thu 10 Nov 2022, 9:16 pm

Good win for Munster

by mikey_dragon Sat 12 Nov 2022, 1:21 pm

Ireland getting their usual help from a French ref.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 1:40 pm

Did your mum run off with with French milk man?

by Heaf Sat 12 Nov 2022, 1:43 pm

Probably would have been a harsh call but there was a very slight crawl ...

by Collapse2005 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 1:46 pm

Ireland not playing very well. Italy though in the lead v Australia.

by Heaf Sat 12 Nov 2022, 1:49 pm

Bit of a nuisance having two matches on at the same time

by **profitius** Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:08 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Ireland getting their usual help from a French ref.

Scrum going over the line, pulled down. Should have been a yellow and penalty try.

Ringrose chips in behind and got shoulder chargered then Fijian slaps ball out surrounded by irish players. Fiji are getting off with things.

by mikey_dragon Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:09 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Did your mum run off with with French milk man?

Did your mum run off with Eddie Jones?

by No 7&1/2 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:23 pm

That's a poor comeback.

by mikey_dragon Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:27 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:That's a poor comeback.

A poor comment deserves a poor comment. You’re just very poor, aren’t you?

by Collapse2005 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:28 pm

Great try Italy, Capuzzo again. What a guy!

by No 7&1/2 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:30 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:That's a poor comeback.

A poor comment deserves a poor comment. You’re just very poor, aren’t you?

Wow. Thinking I was right then.

by Collapse2005 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:31 pm

This could be Italys first win v Australia. Try Aus though, gonna be close.

by Collapse2005 Sat 12 Nov 2022, 2:35 pm

Some really terrible rugby from Ireland today.

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