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Post by Geordie Thu 29 Sep 2022, 11:18 am

Friday
Falcons v Bristol – 19.45

Sat – All 15.00 Pm
L. Irish v Bath
Sale v Exeter
Saracens v Leicester
Gloucester v Worcester - Postponed

Sun
Quins v Saints – 15.00

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Post by Geordie Thu 29 Sep 2022, 12:22 pm

Newcastle Falcons team to face Bristol Bears (Friday, 7.45pm, Kingston Park Stadium)

15 Tom Penny, 14 Adam Radwan, 13 Matias Moroni, 12 Matias Orlando, 11 Mateo Carreras, 10 Brett Connon, 9 Sam Stuart; 1 Adam Brocklebank, 2 George McGuigan, 3 Trevor Davison, 4 Greg Peterson, 5 Sean Robinson, 6 Will Welch (captain), 7 Connor Collett, 8 Callum Chick.

Replacements: 16 Charlie Maddison, 17 Logovi’i Mulipola, 18 Richard Palframan, 19 Sebastian de Chaves, 20 Jamie Blamire, 21 Josh Barton, 22 Tian Schoeman, 23 Pete Lucock.

Not available for selection: Phil Brantingham, Luke Coulston, Nathan Earle, Carl Fearns, Gary Graham, Chidera Obonna, Vereimi Qorowale, Charlie Smith, Philip van der Walt, Michael Young.

Bristol Bears: 15 Rich Lane, 14 Luke Morahan, 13 Jack Bates, 12 Piers O'Conor, 11 Henry Purdy, 10 AJ MacGinty, 9 Andy Uren; 1 Jake Woolmore, 2 Will Capon, 3 Kyle Sinckler, 4 Ed Holmes, 5 Joe Joyce, 6 Chris Vui, 7 Jake Heenan (captain), 8 Magnus Bradbury.

Replacements: 16 Harry Thacker, 17 Yann Thomas, 18 Max Lahiff, 19 John Hawkins, 20 Dan Thomas, 21 Harry Randall, 22 Callum Sheedy, 23 Sam Bedlow.

Referee: Luke Pearce.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 29 Sep 2022, 12:30 pm

Assuming this is now into Genge's rest period?

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Post by Geordie Thu 29 Sep 2022, 12:41 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Assuming this is now into Genge's rest period?

Nah just didnt fancy going up against that beast of a front row... Laugh

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 29 Sep 2022, 12:55 pm

Trev is pretty decent.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 8:03 pm

Easy basic try....I'll have that.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 8:09 pm

Try for Collett.
Really rate him he just can't stay fit. Hope he gets a good run injury free.

Just showed his defensive power smashing someone before aswell.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:04 pm

Pretty awful game. Yellows now costing us.....we're not good.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:08 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Pretty awful game. Yellows now costing us.....we're not good.

That shonky discipline just after the break really cost you. Falcons dominated the first half. The repeated offsides was just ridiculous, you wouldn't excuse a schoolboy side for that.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:09 pm

Awful game? Really?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:10 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Pretty awful game. Yellows now costing us.....we're not good.

That shonky discipline just after the break really cost you. Falcons dominated the first half. The repeated offsides was just ridiculous, you wouldn't excuse a schoolboy side for that.

The standard is pretty awful. Handling...movement....terrible. We do not look a good side at all. If we we come away with anything I'd be surprised.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:10 pm

Geordie wrote:Awful game? Really?

You think it's good Geordie?

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:11 pm

Sgt

Bristol aren't great...BUT

It's some of the best basic rugby we've played in a long time. We really need to fix the stupid penalties...

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:12 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Pretty awful game. Yellows now costing us.....we're not good.

That shonky discipline just after the break really cost you. Falcons dominated the first half. The repeated offsides was just ridiculous, you wouldn't excuse a schoolboy side for that.

The standard is pretty awful. Handling...movement....terrible. We do not look a good side at all. If we we come away with anything I'd be surprised.

Bristol are worse - haven't seen them this bad for ages - can't make anything stick at all.

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:15 pm

I reckon Falcons could be on for the full 5 points here ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:16 pm

Geordie wrote:Sgt

Bristol aren't great...BUT

It's some of the best basic rugby we've played in a long time. We really need to fix the stupid penalties...

I've not watched a live game for a while if I'm honest GF. Maybe it's better than what you've seen! Just saying what i see.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:19 pm

I thought Falcons looked pretty cohesive in the first half. Second half the wheels have come off and both sides now look scrappy.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:19 pm

Sgt....

Trust me, its better .

There are genuine roots of improvement...just the basics look better in certain bits.

Lots to work on though...but just gives a bit of hope...

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:19 pm

I wish Bristol had been this bad last week Shocked

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:20 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:I thought Falcons looked pretty cohesive in the first half. Second half the wheels have come off and both sides now look scrappy.

Down to 13 men messed us up. Not really got it back together plus Bristol have livened up a bit.

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:20 pm

Take the points and that's probably it ...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:20 pm

I think both sides must be into double figures for handling errors and penalties conceded. Doesn't look particularly wet out there but both teams juggling it like it's a bar of soap.

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:21 pm

I think Bristol must have sprayed their hands with WD40 by mistake ...

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:22 pm

OK take the 3 - take 2 ...

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:23 pm

Have to agree with Commentary...Moroni and Orlando have been another level for us.

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Post by Poorfour Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:27 pm

Really good to see Sam Stuart having a good game - he was my POTM. I can remember him as a kid at Quins who had real promise but got badly derailed by two horrendous knee injuries. Great to see him playing so well again
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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:30 pm

The two centres have been class.

Carerras is developing into one of the best wingers in the prem.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:30 pm

Aawwww Carreras!!!

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Post by Cumbrian Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:32 pm

Good result that. Very Happy
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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:33 pm

Heaf wrote:I reckon Falcons could be on for the full 5 points here ...

Told ya - and came from yet another Bristol error ... they were truly woeful tonight.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:33 pm

Well I'll blooming well take that.

And THAT gives me genuine hope that we can develop into a team to be respected.

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:34 pm

Bloody typical I miss the game due to a funeral...

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:37 pm

Heaf wrote:
Heaf wrote:I reckon Falcons could be on for the full 5 points here ...

Told ya - and came from yet another Bristol error ... they were truly woeful tonight.

Forced error though. The Falcons intensity in defence was night and day compared to what it has been. Orlando and Moroni are absolute quality, time and again they were crucial to the team efforts. Orlando was the go forward and Moroni closed down a lot of what Bristol tried to do out wide. Moroni was fantastic at doing that for Tigers last season as well.

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:39 pm

True - but a lot of errors were unforced and just simply fumbles ...

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Post by Heaf Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:40 pm

Hope our Argentinian contingent can do the same for us tomorrow ...

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Post by Geordie Fri 30 Sep 2022, 9:42 pm

Agree Sam.
The next level in quality...and intensity. And Carreras is learning that aswell.

I thought Collett was excellent tonight as per usual and both props...Trevor his usual workhorse performance...and Brocklebank really got at Sinckler (who wasn't having his best day anyway)

And Sean Robinson was his usual Mr consistency...if he played for a big side he'd be lauded all the time.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 30 Sep 2022, 10:59 pm

Dire game....Bristol were terrible. I'll take the points, great finish to the game. We don't look very good I must add, but Bristol were awful.

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Post by king_carlos Sat 01 Oct 2022, 12:29 am

Moroni is one of the best centres in rugby. His defensive work is exceptional, on par with Harris and Am. Whilst in attack he has really good distribution and vision, a kicking game and has the pace to have played wing internationally. It was gutting to see him leave Tigers. Falcons got a gem.

He did this in his first week at the club 6 days after playing the Boks as well. This can't have been far off turning up for a captains run and putting the shirt on!

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Post by Geordie Sat 01 Oct 2022, 9:45 am

I wonder if Sinckler has remembered who Brocklebank is yet.... Laugh

I've debated with many on here for a long time I don't rate him and yesterday was his lowest point. Woeful and his attitude utterly stunk.

Jones has apparently said he's not been selected as he needs to get games in and match fitness but on that showing he's so far away from an international prop...

Interesting to see the Bristol fans think he's actually away at the end of the season...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 01 Oct 2022, 11:23 am

Didn't see the match but Sinckler is comfortably our best tight head.

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Post by Geordie Sat 01 Oct 2022, 11:47 am

I respectfully disagree....

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Post by Poorfour Sat 01 Oct 2022, 11:59 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Didn't see the match but Sinckler is comfortably our best tight head.

Sinckler was our best tighthead before his move to Bristol, but he’s gone backwards since he’s been there and other options are emerging.

I always think props should be very careful about changing clubs as it seems to take them at least a couple of seasons to adapt to a new scrum. There have been some notable exceptions (Wilco Louw replaced Sinck at Quins with barely a hitch, and Genge seems to have made a good start at Bristol), but it’s generally a tricky thing to do.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 01 Oct 2022, 12:09 pm

I haven't seen anyone close for England.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 01 Oct 2022, 1:38 pm

I've never seen Sinckler play that bad, he was extremely rusty.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 01 Oct 2022, 2:23 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:I haven't seen anyone close for England.

Stuart was as good for England by the end of the 6N and was solid over the summer. On form Sinckler is a step up but he's not on form. Against Falcons he struggled to make any impact, that's not England starter form. Given the current level of competition he might not make the squad.

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Post by Geordie Sat 01 Oct 2022, 3:01 pm

Sam it was his attitude that stood out for me. It was genuinely poor...he looked like he just didn't want to be there

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 01 Oct 2022, 3:09 pm

Geordie wrote:Sam it was his attitude that stood out for me. It was genuinely poor...he looked like he just didn't want to be there
Yeah but that's understandable...

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Post by Geordie Sat 01 Oct 2022, 3:29 pm

Why is it understandable?

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Post by Geordie Sat 01 Oct 2022, 3:34 pm

How is Ben Earl not on Jones thoughts. Best 7 in the league.

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Post by Heaf Sat 01 Oct 2022, 3:34 pm

Meanwhile there's a cracker of a match going on between Sarries and Tigers ...

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