Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JuliusHMarx]

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I am not prone to defending the old firm but what do you mean by not close to CL standard? They are probably pretty similar to other pot 4 teams.

They clearly aren't capable of competing in it, furthermore if they were genuinely Champions League standard they wouldn't have to rely on Russian league expulsion to get in automatically and wouldn't have such a dismal qualifying record against Malmo, Copenhagen, Midtylland etc.

Teams that are CL standard actually appear in it, rather than once every five years. Evidently they are there to make up numbers.
Getting third position is the aspiration and that looks a step too far for Rangers at least and likely Celtic

Fancy editing this one before I go forth and rip the utter Poopie apart point by point?

Not at all. Celtic and Rangers are proving categorically why they are pot 4. They have been terrible.
Unless they do their part in improving the SPL and thus increasing revenue so they can compete at this level they are only ever going to be able to do ok in Europa and Conference, it's clear as day they aren't up to the CL under the status quo.
Not really sure how you can "rip that apart"
Celtic and Rangers are partially responsible for how bad the quality of the domestic League is, but do nothing to improve it. It's self fulfilling and any reasonable OF fan would admit they aren't good enough for the Champions League and unless things change domestically, they never will.
That's pretty reasonable isn't it?

Yes, it comes down to money, but if your teams can't be arsed to improve the product, then expect this every year until your coefficient denudes to the point where automatic qualification doesn't occur.

Rangers and Celtic aren't good enough. It's just a fact.

Ok points
1. Russian expulsion, they were already going to be ahead of Russia in the coefficient. Rangers pretty much over the past 4 seasons dragged the Scottish coefficient from 23rd to 8th FACT
2. Rangers have faced Danish opposition twice since their resurgence, comfortably beating Midtylland in the Europa league qualifying and taking 4/6 points off Brondby in the group stage last season. I can’t and won’t speak about how the other half of the OF have performed.
3. I know this will be painful for you to grasp but the Scottish league is the 8th best league in Europe and in terms of finance is there punching above it’s weight.
4. Rangers were ranked 33rd at the end of last season, at the point of the CL group stage draw they were ranked 29th, had that ranking been used in the CL draw they would have been in POT 3, but for a Ramsay penalty they would have been in pot 1

Saying they can’t compete is utter Love sacks, there is a mile of difference between saying they’ve performed poorly compared to last season and saying they can’t compete. If they ship the same amount of goals in the next 3 games and 0 points then you’d be moving toward a semblance of a point but we’re not there yet are we.

5. Civic.

[super_realist]

It's an elite international event. How is it poundland? The competitors are professional athletes. Bit like saying Seria A is poundland because Real or city don't play in it.

Lots of events are professional. Dunfermine are a professional football team, the Alps tour is a professional tour, Formula 3 is professional, ATP Challenge Tour is professional, doesn't make them elite or any less tinpot. 

If the Commonwealth Games was so elite, why does no one want to hold it and why is it more than likely going to die?

[navyblueshorts]

It's an elite international event. How is it poundland? The competitors are professional athletes. Bit like saying Seria A is poundland because Real or city don't play in it.

Lots of events are professional. Dunfermine are a professional football team, the Alps tour is a professional tour, Formula 3 is professional, ATP Challenge Tour is professional, doesn't make them elite or any less tinpot. 

If the Commonwealth Games was so elite, why does no one want to hold it and why is it more than likely going to die?

Of course it's elite - look at who's competed in it. It's obviously limited in that only competitors from Commonwealth countries are eligible so some of the biggest names in various events aren't ever there.

Why doesn't anyone want to hold it? Could it possibly be the cost vs. benefits of so hosting? Maybe there's also elements of republicanism in some of the decisions as well.

[super_realist]

It's an elite international event. How is it poundland? The competitors are professional athletes. Bit like saying Seria A is poundland because Real or city don't play in it.

Lots of events are professional. Dunfermine are a professional football team, the Alps tour is a professional tour, Formula 3 is professional, ATP Challenge Tour is professional, doesn't make them elite or any less tinpot. 

If the Commonwealth Games was so elite, why does no one want to hold it and why is it more than likely going to die?

Of course it's elite - look at who's competed in it. It's obviously limited in that only competitors from Commonwealth countries are eligible so some of the biggest names in various events aren't ever there.

Why doesn't anyone want to hold it? Could it possibly be the cost vs. benefits of so hosting? Maybe there's also elements of republicanism in some of the decisions as well.

What the cost/benefit comes down to is that almost no one cares about it anymore. 
Plenty top sports people sometimes drop a few levels to play a tournament. Happens in golf, tennis, athletics all the time, doesn't make an ATP 250 or an Asian Tour level event elite though. 

I think the thing about the Commonwealth Games is that it is an event which has seriously fallen off its perch. It used to be considered a greater event than it is now and it's just slid down the public consciousness. Might be an element of it being republican, although Scotland was frothing at the gash to hold it last time so I'm not sure that holds all that much water, although there might have been an element of "look at what we can do on our own" to that too. There certainly an element of many of the sports having next to no public interest.

Either way, I think it's doomed, and I don't really think it will be missed.

[JuliusHMarx]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

[super_realist]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

So why did the host pull out? 
Realistically there's so few cities capable of making a profit and maintaining sufficient interest  (and 100m would be a dreadful profit on 6bn of investment)  that I don't blame the host for pulling out.

[JuliusHMarx]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

So why did the host pull out? 
Realistically there's so few cities capable of making a profit and maintaining sufficient interest  (and 100m would be a dreadful profit on 6bn of investment)  that I don't blame the host for pulling out.

I don't know why the host pulled out.
How did Birmingham sell 1.5 million tickets if no-one cares about it?

[Soul Requiem]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

So why did the host pull out? 
Realistically there's so few cities capable of making a profit and maintaining sufficient interest  (and 100m would be a dreadful profit on 6bn of investment)  that I don't blame the host for pulling out.

Birmingham was achieved within a budget of £778m.

[super_realist]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

So why did the host pull out? 
Realistically there's so few cities capable of making a profit and maintaining sufficient interest  (and 100m would be a dreadful profit on 6bn of investment)  that I don't blame the host for pulling out.

Birmingham was achieved within a budget of £778m.

Fair enough.

[Soul Requiem]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

So why did the host pull out? 
Realistically there's so few cities capable of making a profit and maintaining sufficient interest  (and 100m would be a dreadful profit on 6bn of investment)  that I don't blame the host for pulling out.

Birmingham was achieved within a budget of £778m.

Fair enough.

It might help doing a bit of research in future.

[super_realist]

Birmingham did OK out of it - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/birmingham-2022-contributes-870-million-to-uk-economy

£100 million profit, 1.5 million tickets sold, 6,600 athletes from 72 countries. All despite the fact that no-one cares about it.

So why did the host pull out? 
Realistically there's so few cities capable of making a profit and maintaining sufficient interest  (and 100m would be a dreadful profit on 6bn of investment)  that I don't blame the host for pulling out.

Birmingham was achieved within a budget of £778m.

Fair enough.

It might help doing a bit of research in future.

The 6bn was the projected AUS Dollar cost.
Still think the CG are crap.

PS, 778m was the projected cost of the 2022 games made in 2019, I'd be very surprised if it was not significantly more expensive given how virtually every government run project comes in over budget.

[super_realist]

Bayern paying 100m for Kane who has left than a year left on his contract is crazy.

[McLaren]

If Bayern are competitive again in later stages of CL then they will see it as a bargain. Just hope Kane actually has the balls to go and play for them.

[super_realist]

If Bayern are competitive again in later stages of CL then they will see it as a bargain. Just hope Kane actually has the balls to go and play for them.

Surprised more British players don't go to Germany, can understand Southern European countries being a bit of a culture shock for your average footballer, but Northern European cities are much easier to live in. 
He'd be a complete idiot to turn it down as he's going to win nothing with Spurs.

[ralphjohn69]

Re The Commonwealth Games, they'd be as well just having a permanent host, then there's no need to build any venues/infrastructure, etc, every 4 years as it's already there.

[super_realist]

Re The Commonwealth Games, they'd be as well just having a permanent host, then there's no need to build any venues/infrastructure, etc, every 4 years as it's already there.

Would be a better idea considering probably about 90 of Empire countries couldn't afford it anyway or are places you'd never want to ever go to like Nigeria.

[McLaren]

Why would you not want to go to Nigeria?

[super_realist]

Why would you not want to go to Nigeria?

Ha ha. Because it is incredibly dangerous, especially if you are white. 
In my industry being told you're going to Nigeria is the worst possible news. You require tons of security, a driver and a guarded compound. It's a corrupt country with incredibly high crime, kidnap/ransom and life is cheap.

Holding any sort of major sporting event there would be far more trouble than it is worth, plus for every foreign worker you have to employ a Nigerian to do nothing. 

Presumably you have never been.

[McLaren]

Sounds like the sort of over hyped chat you hear in every industry. You'd be fine.

[super_realist]

Sounds like the sort of over hyped chat you hear in every industry. You'd be fine.

The Home Office describe it as "a dangerous country" but what do they know? Mac says it's probably fine.

[McLaren]

Hate to say it but we all know why you were so keen to call out Nigeria.

[super_realist]

Hate to say it but we all know why you were so keen to call out Nigeria.

Looking for something that doesn't exist Mac? You think if it was anything to do with race I wouldn't have just mentioned the entire continent?
Seems more like a reason why you'd want to defend it. 

"Oh, it's a majority black country, I better pretend it's not dangerous, corrupt or exactly the sort of place you wouldn't want to hold a sporting event because then I'll look earnest, right on  and virtuous" 
That's you in a nutshell Mac, surprised you're not down in Dorset protesting the "horrors " of the Bibby Stockholm

[westisbest]

Why would you not want to go to Nigeria?

I used to live in Nigeria when I was a kid. Went to school there. Some of the best part of my youth was spent there. Met great people. Great memories.

Granted it’s changed a lot since the 80’s.
Have met a lot of Nigerians since leaving, all seemed pleasant enough, but say the same thing, dangerous and not the same as years back.

[super_realist]

Why would you not want to go to Nigeria?

I used to live in Nigeria when I was a kid. Went to school there. Some of the best part of my youth was spent there. Met great people. Great memories.

Granted it’s changed a lot since the 80’s.
Have met a lot of Nigerians since leaving, all seemed pleasant enough, but say the same thing, dangerous and not the same as years back.

But Mac says it's fine, so it must be.

[McLaren]

Super

What did you make of the protests at the Womens Open yesterday?

[super_realist]

Super

What did you make of the protests at the Womens Open yesterday?

I didn't see it, but just as pathetic as all the others I imagine . 
Do you think these hypocritical wonks actually endear anyone to their cause or just make people hate them and their message?

Why don't they protest US, Chinese, Brazilian, Russian, Indian consulates etc? Because they're cowards. Strangely white and middle class too. Strange how lefties don't seem to care about their lack of diversity. All seem to be called Ettiene, Indigo, Antarctica, India etc and have parents who are worth millions.

[McLaren]

Super

I think they are doing a great job of keeping climate change high up the news agenda. What more can they do? Up to others to actually do something about it.

[McLaren]

Why would you not want to go to Nigeria?

I used to live in Nigeria when I was a kid. Went to school there. Some of the best part of my youth was spent there. Met great people. Great memories.

Granted it’s changed a lot since the 80’s.
Have met a lot of Nigerians since leaving, all seemed pleasant enough, but say the same thing, dangerous and not the same as years back.

Thank you for the insight. Still think Super would be alright. He seems like a tough guy.

[super_realist]

Super

I think they are doing a great job of keeping climate change high up the news agenda. What more can they do? Up to others to actually do something about it.

How about standing for election instead of making infantile demands? They aren't doing a great job if keeping it in the headlines means people associate their message with how annoying they are. 
I'm sick of hearing asinine catastrophised nonsense from them and their naive 6th form demands. Deluded morons.

[navyblueshorts]

Super

I think they are doing a great job of keeping climate change high up the news agenda. What more can they do? Up to others to actually do something about it.

Technically, yes, but for me, I've now switched off. What they don't get w/ their antics is a) they already have those who're convinced and 'doing something', b) they'll never get the avowed deniers and c) their actions are at least as likely to put off the floating/undecideds.

I'm in group a), but they can **** right off and for two pins, I'd try to buy a bigger car and fly more.. They're bumholes whose actions aren't wanted. Look at the response to Greenpeace when they did their stunt at Sunak's place? Lost a place at the table come discussions. Well done.

[super_realist]

Super

I think they are doing a great job of keeping climate change high up the news agenda. What more can they do? Up to others to actually do something about it.

Technically, yes, but for me, I've now switched off. What they don't get w/ their antics is a) they already have those who're convinced and 'doing something', b) they'll never get the avowed deniers and c) their actions are at least as likely to put off the floating/undecideds.

I'm in group a), but they can **** right off and for two pins, I'd try to buy a bigger car and fly more.. They're bumholes whose actions aren't wanted. Look at the response to Greenpeace when they did their stunt at Sunak's place? Lost a place at the table come discussions. Well done.

It's not about "deniers". I seriously don't think there is any more genuine deniers than there are "trans people" in our population. 
The issue is that these doomsday cults have catastrophised climate change so much to the point when the claims about it are so laughable and so ridiculous that people have simply lost patience with these hypocritical zealots. 
Even the new chair of the IPCC has called them out for their truly absurd rhetoric. They literally are an evangelical indoctrinated  cult.

[McLaren]

"There are no deniers out there, but I am one"

Super_Realist (2023)

[super_realist]

Bit odd that the BBC is reporting on Saudi football, but makes a political stance on LIV golf and almost entirely fails to cover any aspect of it. Typical BBC hypocrisy.

[super_realist]

"There are no deniers out there, but I am one"

Super_Realist (2023)

Mac, I haven't ever denied climate change, and given that I'm a Geoscientist of over 15 years and you're too scared to admit what you do for a living there's a very high probability I know a great deal more about climate than you do.

[McLaren]

Super

The bbc doesn't cover most mainstream golf, do you really think they are going to cover a unestablished exhibition league?

[McLaren]

Super

You are not a geoscientist. You work much further down the chain than that. I would assume some middling back office role.

[super_realist]

Super

The bbc doesn't cover most mainstream golf, do you really think they are going to cover a unestablished exhibition league?

They cover plenty of very low key events Mac.

[super_realist]

Super

You are not a geoscientist. You work much further down the chain than that. I would assume some middling back office role.

If you say so Mac, they're really going to pay me as much as the PM for a back office job and move me to a different country though aren't they?

[McLaren]

Super

It is clear from your reasoning skills you do not have a scientific background. That's all I'm bothered about.

[super_realist]

Super

It is clear from your reasoning skills you do not have a scientific background. That's all I'm bothered about.

Well hard cheese Mac because I do and the title of Principal in one of the biggest companies in the world so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Reasoning skills? You're the one who has admitted he  disregards everything a person says in relation to what their position is on a singular matter, a person who thinks it's racist and sexist to make a comment about a fat racist moron like  Dianne Abbot  and who thinks that anyone who holds a different view to you is an extremist and who thinks that Doaks subjective view on golf courses is scientific fact so excuse me if I don't take any lessons on reasoning from the likes of you.

[JuliusHMarx]

Super

You are not a geoscientist. You work much further down the chain than that. I would assume some middling back office role.

If you say so Mac, they're really going to pay me as much as the PM for a back office job and move me to a different country though aren't they?

Are you enjoying your retirement?

[McLaren]

Super

If someone who pays you saw these boards you would be sacked on the spot. Not even your lickspittling for fossil fuels would save you.

[super_realist]

Super

If someone who pays you saw these boards you would be sacked on the spot. Not even your lickspittling for fossil fuels would save you.

The politics of envy Mac. It's a terrible thing. 

Is this going to be another evidence free claim like your racism allegation? Got any examples of stating something which would get me sacked? Thought not. 
 Fortunately I don't work for companies which want to limit free speech and cancel people for having an opinion. That's very much something that would happen within far left British publicly owned institutions. 

How am I a lickspittle for fossil fuels? It's a simple fact we need them for decades given our energy demands and where we are in energy diversification. You wouldn't last five minutes without them and are unwilling to adjust your lifestyle so that you aren't dependent. You're just as dependent on it as everyone else and wouldn't even exist without them. 

The world is a fantastic place in which to live because of fossil fuels and the industrial revolution, not in spite of it.

[JuliusHMarx]

Why would mac, or anyone, be envious of someone who has so little happiness in his life?

[super_realist]

Why would mac, or anyone, be envious of someone who has so little happiness in his life?

Mac would love my life. A ticket for endless golf at the course he considers to be the last word in course design. He's just jealous.

[superflyweight]

Super

If someone who pays you saw these boards you would be sacked on the spot. Not even your lickspittling for fossil fuels would save you.

The politics of envy Mac. It's a terrible thing. 

Is this going to be another evidence free claim like your racism allegation? Got any examples of stating something which would get me sacked? Thought not. 
 Fortunately I don't work for companies which want to limit free speech and cancel people for having an opinion. That's very much something that would happen within far left British publicly owned institutions. 

How am I a lickspittle for fossil fuels? It's a simple fact we need them for decades given our energy demands and where we are in energy diversification. You wouldn't last five minutes without them and are unwilling to adjust your lifestyle so that you aren't dependent. You're just as dependent on it as everyone else and wouldn't even exist without them. 

The world is a fantastic place in which to live because of fossil fuels and the industrial revolution, not in spite of it.

I don't think you know what 'far left' means.

[JuliusHMarx]

Why would mac, or anyone, be envious of someone who has so little happiness in his life?

Mac would love my life. A ticket for endless golf at the course he considers to be the last word in course design. He's just jealous.

If Mac had your life, do you think he'd enjoy it and be happy, or would he be a miserable sod who does nothing but moan about everything all the time?

[McLaren]

Super

It's nothing to do with politics. If I was paying someone what you claim to get paid I would sack them if I realised just how poorly they could interpret the world around them.

[navyblueshorts]

Why would mac, or anyone, be envious of someone who has so little happiness in his life?

Mac would love my life. A ticket for endless golf at the course he considers to be the last word in course design. He's just jealous.

S_R - 1: Mac - 0

[navyblueshorts]

Super

It's nothing to do with politics. If I was paying someone what you claim to get paid I would sack them if I realised just how poorly they could interpret the world around them.

Mac, I'd wind your neck in on this if I were you. You claim to be Mr. Scientific Method, but you have precisely zero idea, or demonstrate practice, of what that really means.

[super_realist]

Super

It's nothing to do with politics. If I was paying someone what you claim to get paid I would sack them if I realised just how poorly they could interpret the world around them.

Again, no examples. 
You seem to confuse having a different opinion to someone with actually getting things wrong and therefore damaging to a career. 
I disagree with JAS vehemently on many aspects, doesn't mean I think he ought to lose his job because of it, not least because his views are most likely not connected to how he earns his living. 
Graham Linehan (Father Ted, Alan Partridge) had a comedy show cancelled at the Edinburgh Festival because he has view on ONE particular subject that supposedly doesn't meet the venues "stonewall indoctrinated group think" despite it not even being a topic in his show.
 How can you sanction cancelling someone on the basis of their views. Have you never read 1984? You are not The Thought Police and you are not a moral arbitrar or doyenne of deciding what positions can be held and which cannot. Try being what you far left are not for a change and exercise a bit of tolerance.

I can't help that you haven't done as well for yourself as you'd like, but it shouldn't be suggested that I lose my job just because I don't buy into your crazed group think.

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