Scotland's 6N Build Up, Then Inevitable Fall: Dark Horses of the Year 10 years running
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Scotland's 6N Build Up, Then Inevitable Fall: Dark Horses of the Year 10 years running
It's the hope that kills ya!
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I am deeply suspicious about how that can possibly be true.BigGee wrote:Well according to the coaching staff, both Hoggy and Zander are fully fit and ready for selection!
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George Carlin wrote:I am deeply suspicious about how that can possibly be true.BigGee wrote:Well according to the coaching staff, both Hoggy and Zander are fully fit and ready for selection!
By the sound of things Hogg's has been more of a long-term niggle that he's been struggling to shake off but could be patched up to play at 80%, but Fagerson's was a serious hammie injury which isn't something to rush!
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This weekends match feels a bit like the Calcutta cup in 2012 where Lancaster had just taken over from Johnson. I remember going to the match and afterwards feeling like Scotland had the personnel to win but just didn’t pull the trigger at crucial moments. While England simply dug in and took their opportunities. Another scrappy win like last year would do just fine. Doesn’t need to be champagne rugby.
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"He has four kids now. Impressive. Don't ever let your missus walk past his house. If the wind changes direction, she might end up pregnant"
Maybe if Nellie shut the windows it might help.
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I've been told its:
1) Schoe
2)Turner
3) Nel
4)R Gray
5) Gilchrist
6) Ritchie
7) Crosbie
8) Dempsey
9) White
10) Russell
11) VDM
12) Jones
13) Tuipulotu
14) Steyn
15) Hogg
Bench
Bhatti, Brown, Fagerson Sr, Gray Jr, Dempsey, Horne, Blairhorn, Harris
5/7 Lions dropped, the in form centres picked, the form scrum halves picked, the form pack picked (debate around hooker probably)... some pretty big decisions made!
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My main issue however, is the selection of Dempsey twice.
I assume M Fagerson would start as he was held back last weekend and that would be an industrious backrow to start. Four lineout options as well with Crosbie and Ritchie in the backrow.
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Fagerson Jr to start, Dempsey to bench
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I remember Watson coming on a couple of seasons ago and it looked like someone had let loose a pinball. He was hitting everything and part of the reason I wanted to see him bench.
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On form he can't complain.
Blarehorn covering 10 and back 3.
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Getting excited/nervous but that's always the case hehe.
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Tramptastic wrote:Teamsheet to be announced at 9am tomorrow ahead of the squad flying back to london
I've been told its:
1) Schoe
2)Turner
3) Nel
4)R Gray
5) Gilchrist
6) Ritchie
7) Crosbie
8) Dempsey
9) White
10) Russell
11) VDM
12) Jones
13) Tuipulotu
14) Steyn
15) Hogg
Bench
Bhatti, Brown, Fagerson Sr, Gray Jr, Dempsey, Horne, Blairhorn, Harris
5/7 Lions dropped, the in form centres picked, the form scrum halves picked, the form pack picked (debate around hooker probably)... some pretty big decisions made!
I would be delighted with that team. Hard to argue against any of them on form and even if Hoggy starts to flag, then Blairhorn comes on.
Sam Skinner probably the unlucky one to miss out, but I am sure we will see him at some stage in this tournament. There will be injuries as well and others will also get their chances.
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Tramptastic wrote:Teamsheet to be announced at 9am tomorrow ahead of the squad flying back to london
I've been told its:
1) Schoe
2)Turner
3) Nel
4)R Gray
5) Gilchrist
6) Ritchie
7) Crosbie
8) Dempsey
9) White
10) Russell
11) VDM
12) Jones
13) Tuipulotu
14) Steyn
15) Hogg
Bench
Bhatti, Brown, Fagerson Sr, Gray Jr, Dempsey, Horne, Blairhorn, Harris
5/7 Lions dropped, the in form centres picked, the form scrum halves picked, the form pack picked (debate around hooker probably)... some pretty big decisions made!
Well we wouldn't die trying with that team!
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All hail the return of the saviour?
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RDW wrote:Tramptastic wrote:Teamsheet to be announced at 9am tomorrow ahead of the squad flying back to london
I've been told its:
1) Schoe
2)Turner
3) Nel
4)R Gray
5) Gilchrist
6) Ritchie
7) Crosbie
8) Dempsey
9) White
10) Russell
11) VDM
12) Jones
13) Tuipulotu
14) Steyn
15) Hogg
Bench
Bhatti, Brown, Fagerson Sr, Gray Jr, Dempsey, Horne, Blairhorn, Harris
5/7 Lions dropped, the in form centres picked, the form scrum halves picked, the form pack picked (debate around hooker probably)... some pretty big decisions made!
Well we wouldn't die trying with that team!
Flounder, I'm not at all sure what you mean Do you mean we wouldn't die wondering?
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I think for the first time in a long time this is the best team available for the job! Well done Toonie!
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tigertattie wrote:BVC steps down as Fiji coach
All hail the return of the saviour?
Word is he's planning on taking Jonny gray out deer hunting
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we've been here before boys. We know how this ends.
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jimbopip wrote:Can we all please stop saying this looks like a good team, we really have a chance and other hyperbolic platitudes!
we've been here before boys. We know how this ends.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think we'll win but I feel comforted by the fact we might be able to attack. I revise my prediction to a 20 point deficit!
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"It was a difficult selection. There are so many players in really good form - and we back form now,"
Such a radical departure from his usual method of selection.
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jimbopip wrote:Interesting comment from Toonie,
"It was a difficult selection. There are so many players in really good form - and we back form now,"
Such a radical departure from his usual method of selection.
There's definitely an element of risk in this selection. There's a reason why the likes of Sexton, Farrell, AWJ (for a long time) will always get picked regardless of recent form and fitness - they are integral players for their teams. For the last 8 years of Sexton's career his Leinster games have basically been a warmup to get him to play for Ireland.
Watson, Price, Harris etc have played probably 90% of Scotland's games in the last few years and have key players in the major wins we have had.
FWIW I like this selection, but it's a risk!
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RDW wrote:jimbopip wrote:Interesting comment from Toonie,
"It was a difficult selection. There are so many players in really good form - and we back form now,"
Such a radical departure from his usual method of selection.
There's definitely an element of risk in this selection. There's a reason why the likes of Sexton, Farrell, AWJ (for a long time) will always get picked regardless of recent form and fitness - they are integral players for their teams. For the last 8 years of Sexton's career his Leinster games have basically been a warmup to get him to play for Ireland.
Watson, Price, Harris etc have played probably 90% of Scotland's games in the last few years and have key players in the major wins we have had.
FWIW I like this selection, but it's a risk!
Yes, but you could also say they were playing in a lot of the games we could and should have won.
AWJ, Sexton, Farrell etc only keep getting picked as they are part of winning teams.
That would soon change if that took a downturn.
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Huge call to leave Price out completely.
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As John Oliver would say, that is a Scientific Fact.jimbopip wrote:Can we all please stop saying this looks like a good team, we really have a chance and other hyperbolic platitudes!
we've been here before boys. We know how this ends.
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Having Sutherland, Ashman, Zander, J Gray, Watson, Price, Harris and Smith fighting to get into the side can only serve us well. We could realistically replace four of our starting front five for Wales and have no drop off.
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IMO there are four main issues with the bench:
Berghan has struggled for Glasgow coming off the bench in recent weeks. If Nel has go go off injured before half time we could be in a lot of bother in the second half come scrum time. With ZF still unavailable this selection was probably forced.
Jonny Gray is either a starter or you don't have him in the 23. He brings no dynamic impact when he comes on: makes a dozen soak tackles and carried for half a foot but that wont change things, certainly not in a good way. Skinner is a better ball carrier and tackler and also has the flexibility to play 6, if Ritchie picks up a knock.
Harris is a great defensive player but he is unable to open up defences with a devastating running or passing game in the final quarter. If Toonie must include him, which clearly he must, then better to have him on at the start to give us a rock solid midfield and then deploy Jones once defences are tiring.
Finally Kinghorn. He has been covering wing for Edinburgh for the last three games and so any skills he developed as a 10 will be atrophying through lack of use. Don't think he has looked all that good on the wing either. if Kinghorn is needed anywhere, but especially at 10, for more than 15 minutes then I think we lose.
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Sutherland
Brown
Z Fagerson
J Gray
Gilchrist
Ritchie
Watson
Dempsey
Price
Russell
VDM
Redpath
Harris
Maitland, Kinghorn or Smith
Hogg
Turner, Schoeman, Nel, R Gray, M Fagerson, Horne, Healy, Tuipulotu
Really nervous about how Hogg will play given his recent injury issues. His boot will be so crucial though. Him and Russell when both kicking well make such a difference.
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RDW wrote:Worth repeating this stat from November last year - for 100 of the 113 previous test matches the starting 9 was either Laidlaw or Price over a 10 year period
Huge call to leave Price out completely.
I'm sure some journalists are on here - first stealing nicknames now this tweet I mentioned appears in their article!
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/64502758
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RDW wrote:RDW wrote:Worth repeating this stat from November last year - for 100 of the 113 previous test matches the starting 9 was either Laidlaw or Price over a 10 year period
Huge call to leave Price out completely.
I'm sure some journalists are on here - first stealing nicknames now this tweet I mentioned appears in their article!
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/64502758
Andy Burke does seem to be on Twitter a lot asking Q’s about Scotland etc. But I’m sure some of them come on here for the high quality analysis. We should put the forum behind a paywall (apart from us of course).
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jimbopip wrote:Just been offered two tickets for the match. £153 each. After last weekend's fiasco I felt it was safest to pass up on them.
The prices at Twickenham are ridiculous
That's pretty much what we paid, but as a one off as my son very keen to go.
You would not want to be oaying that on a regular basis though!
Unsurprisingly, it was not sold out!
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Lots of errors as you would expect at this level but some promising players from our perspective
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BigGee wrote:That Ritchie Simpson at FH for Scotland looks a decent prospect. Not even in the academy but has come through that other well known centre of excellence at Ayshire Bulls!
It's between him and the Scottish openside for motm so far. Really massive shift in momentum because Scotland were pulled apart early doors but have dominated since.
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Is Ritchie Simpson the coming Scottish FH, he really looked the part today.
McConnell, Tait, Blyth-Rafferty, Yule, Brown, all looked really comfortable at this level.
Let's hope we can back it up next week against Wales, that may prove to be our most winnable game!
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Remarkable effort!
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RDW wrote:Where have these players even been playing rugby lately? Super 6 ended several months ago.
Remarkable effort!
A lot of them are not even playing Super 6!
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I'n going to try and find that game because the commentators were raving about it.BigGee wrote:Well we just got pipped by England in the U20s, but what a performance our kids put up. Definitely some great potential for the future there. A young team as well, with a lot of them back next year,
Is Ritchie Simpson the coming Scottish FH, he really looked the part today.
McConnell, Tait, Blyth-Rafferty, Yule, Brown, all looked really comfortable at this level.
Let's hope we can back it up next week against Wales, that may prove to be our most winnable game!
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George Carlin wrote:I'n going to try and find that game because the commentators were raving about it.BigGee wrote:Well we just got pipped by England in the U20s, but what a performance our kids put up. Definitely some great potential for the future there. A young team as well, with a lot of them back next year,
Is Ritchie Simpson the coming Scottish FH, he really looked the part today.
McConnell, Tait, Blyth-Rafferty, Yule, Brown, all looked really comfortable at this level.
Let's hope we can back it up next week against Wales, that may prove to be our most winnable game!
You'll find it on iPlayer GC. The youngsters looked really promising
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Gives me some hope!
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I haven't seen the first half (which I understand was a slow start for us) but the players looked capable and up for it. They will hone their attacking edge as they progress through the tournament, and the scramble defence was something to behold.
You could see that they were focused and committed. This could be our next special generation
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Simon Berghan, two starts for Edinburgh since last April, is his understudy. That's a red flag on Scotland's hopes right there.
I wonder if he's related to the Simon Berghan who's been playing for Glasgow?
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jimbopip wrote:Tom English on the BBC website page intersocialmedia net thing spoils his otherwise enjoyable article with this gem,
Simon Berghan, two starts for Edinburgh since last April, is his understudy. That's a red flag on Scotland's hopes right there.
I wonder if he's related to the Simon Berghan who's been playing for Glasgow?
That is a shocker. He's spread too thin with the coverage of football and rugby and twitter haha
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That bloody hype train will be starting its engines
And folk will be coming out to say Toonie is the best coach ever and needs a contract extension to the 2027 word cup
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I hate rugby...
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