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Post by king_carlos Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:55 am

First topic message reminder :

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jan/06/eddie-jones-mistakes-with-england-why-i-got-the-sack-rugby-union

Interview with Jones about being sacked there. Some interesting stuff in amongst it.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:28 pm

Geordie wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:
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Geordie wrote:
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eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

I guess not then, ye are just one of those fans that cannot be impartial. Enjoy thumbsup

Lol you really haven't seen many of my posts then.

England have never been in any kind of trouble in this game bar the five mins after half time when they were not alert.

England have not been in any trouble no. Again, it was good play by Italy to score the try. Its not always down to England being switched off or not alert when a team scores against them. Sometimes other teams actually do something good...

And yet often it is. If a team totally switches off...then it's not great play is it?

Doh

Enjoy the game and the win that is assured. Maybe that will make you smile Very Happy

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Post by BigGee Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:31 pm

Much better from Italy, they can be dangerous but not a whole lot of use if the game is long gone unfortunately

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:31 pm

England ignored another overlap earlier there, in favour of kicking. It is really starting to boil my pi$$.
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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:32 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

I guess not then, ye are just one of those fans that cannot be impartial. Enjoy thumbsup

Lol you really haven't seen many of my posts then.

England have never been in any kind of trouble in this game bar the five mins after half time when they were not alert.

England have not been in any trouble no. Again, it was good play by Italy to score the try. Its not always down to England being switched off or not alert when a team scores against them. Sometimes other teams actually do something good...

And yet often it is. If a team totally switches off...then it's not great play is it?

Doh

Enjoy the game and the win that is assured. Maybe that will make you smile Very Happy

On thw contrary...a win over a poor Italy that's expected by the other nations isn't a great win.

Ireland and France are the standard bearers....

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Post by Duty281 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:33 pm

That replacement Italian scrum half has already done more than Varney.

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Post by lostinwales Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:33 pm

England have been awful this 2nd half

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:33 pm

Great try from Italy.

Although England probably switched off so not good play at all laughing

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:36 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:Great try from Italy.

Although England probably switched off so not good play at all laughing
England's subs awful...

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:36 pm

That was braindead from England.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:36 pm

How is the try good with obstruction on cole. Odd.

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:37 pm

Shame about the missed forward pass and getting up after being tackled previously was ignored?

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Post by Lowlandbrit Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:37 pm

Italy are playing well, but I always think never beating England is somewhere in their heads. Once England get in front, the result just never feels in doubt somehow.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:37 pm

Why did the ref blow????

Arundel was away!
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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:38 pm

England's subs have knocked the team right out

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:38 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:How is the try good with obstruction on cole. Odd.

Officials have been really poor. Blatant obstruction for the second and a clear knock on before the first for Italy. Every decision is a lottery here, the ref isn't wrong but he swings between letting everything go and really picky.

That second Italy try standing after the JVP one was ruled out for the Italy 21 milking minimum contact to go down.

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:38 pm

Is the TMO having a day off?

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:41 pm

What a play by Mitchell and Arundal finishes. thumbsup

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:43 pm

What is his strike rate? Feels like he has scored a try in every game he has played for England.
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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:43 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Why did the ref blow????

Arundel was away!

A growing list of blunders from the officials ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:43 pm

Beautiful from Mitchell....really like this lad.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:45 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:What a play by Mitchell and Arundal finishes. thumbsup

It was very nearly not a great play, no one in the Italian defence bites and he was getting a bit panicky then the 22 steps in, Mitchell's eyes light up and Arundell is free. He's looked quiet since he came on so good to see some of the creative Alex Mitchell break out.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:47 pm

STOP KICKING ATTACKING BALL AWAY!!!


AGGGGHHHHHH!
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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:48 pm

Smith not having a great few mins either.

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:50 pm

Running behind a bit but Italian line-out must have gone a good yard forwards ...

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:52 pm

Then they give Italy a throw when they've clearly kicked it onto the line?

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:53 pm

Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Missed a clear knock on there.
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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Hope they have a crack from deep here.
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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:55 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Hope they have a crack from deep here.

Gah, why do I bother?
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:55 pm

Good win. Second half drifted away but you take Willis off and you miss a real game changer.

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Post by Cumbrian Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:56 pm

Classic England that. Get a comfortable lead and turn into disinterested blancmanges...
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Post by eirebilly_01 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:56 pm

A TBP and a 17 point margin but I think England left a bit out there.

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:56 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.
Can't help thinking he may get overtaken by T'other Smith or Atkinson etc...

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:57 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Missed a clear knock on there.

Add it to a loooongg list ... officials have been average to poor ...

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Post by mountain man Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:57 pm

Much better
Willis excellent.
Itoje back in form.
Chessum again very good and looks nailed on now
Lawrence finally the answer at 12. Yahoo!

England went off boil a bit in second half but overall that'll do.

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:57 pm

Just need Ted Hill in now and 6n is in the bag.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:58 pm

eirebilly_01 wrote:A TBP and a 17 point margin but I think England left a bit out there.
You could say, they switched off.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:59 pm

Geordie wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.
Can't help thinking he may get overtaken by T'other Smith or Atkinson etc...

Not sure 10 mins is fair. Farrell played OK but didn't do that much with some good ball.

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Post by Heaf Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:59 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Classic England that.  Get a comfortable lead and turn into disinterested blancmanges...

Subs overall didn't help ...

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Post by eirebilly_01 Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:00 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:A TBP and a 17 point margin but I think England left a bit out there.
You could say, they switched off.

laughing

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:00 pm

Heaf wrote:
Cumbrian wrote:Classic England that.  Get a comfortable lead and turn into disinterested blancmanges...

Subs overall didn't help ...

I can only dream Mitchell had come on last week instead of Youngs though.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:00 pm

A good win for England, Italy no where near as good this week as last week. I do think Borthwic ad found his starting 15, but i so think he needs to at replacements,

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:01 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly_01 wrote:A TBP and a 17 point margin but I think England left a bit out there.
You could say, they switched off.

Finally someone who understands

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:02 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.
Can't help thinking he may get overtaken by T'other Smith or Atkinson etc...

Not sure 10 mins is fair. Farrell played OK but didn't do that much with some good ball.
not 10 mins though...18 caps now

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:04 pm

Geordie wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.
Can't help thinking he may get overtaken by T'other Smith or Atkinson etc...

Not before the world cup. George Ford's return will be watched with interest next weekend. He'll be up against Fin Smith at Franklins Gardens where he put in one of the best individual performances I've seen in the Prem last season. If Ford has a strong game and looks fit I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in the training squad. A fit and firing George Ford with a Lawrence/Slade midfield would carve up a lot of teams.

Dombrandt at 8 is still a question mark for me, didn't do much wrong and at times defended well. He made solid metres in attack but we need more quite frankly.

Cole and Vunipola look slow at this level. That's fine with Cole as we know he's a short term stop gap for the injured Stuart and will do a job in the scrum but we've got to find a better option than Vunipola at loosehead.

Backrow lacks a little impact even Dombrandt a side. Can't put my finger on it but after Willis went off we didn't look as threatening at the breakdown.

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm

Sam is West at tigers yet. He's a cracking loosehead.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm

Geordie wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.
Can't help thinking he may get overtaken by T'other Smith or Atkinson etc...

Not sure 10 mins is fair. Farrell played OK but didn't do that much with some good ball.
not 10 mins though...18 caps now

Hmm. Given the switch in intensity in 1st and 2nd half's if have been surprised HD we not put more points in the board with Smith on from the start. The younger Smith is an excellent prospect. Atkinson is a good club player perhaps, nothing more for me.

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Post by Geordie Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:08 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
Geordie wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Geordie wrote:Smith not having a great few mins either.

Doing nothing to suggest he needs to be recalled. Ollie Lawrence having a cracking game surely cements him into one of the two midfield slots for the next game.
Can't help thinking he may get overtaken by T'other Smith or Atkinson etc...

Not sure 10 mins is fair. Farrell played OK but didn't do that much with some good ball.
not 10 mins though...18 caps now

Hmm. Given the switch in intensity in 1st and 2nd half's if have been surprised HD we not put more points in the board with Smith on from the start. The younger Smith is an excellent prospect. Atkinson is a good club player perhaps, nothing more for me.

I said earlier Smith on at half time would have been a good move.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:22 pm

Yeah. Game was won so its hard on subs sometimes but more time would be beneficial. Not sure the tactic of bring on Isiekwe as a back rower particularly benefits us.

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Post by tigertattie Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:22 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
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lostinwales wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Geordie wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Geordie wrote:It's rhe Willis show at the moment

He's playing well...try was a gift, but defensively he's been strong. Would still like to see sons form of a carrying game from him.

He's been carrying hard Sgt?

I've not seen it GF.

Who is Maggie Aphonsea and why is she commenting offering "expert opinion" on this game?

I don't see myself as an old fashioned type type bloke but would like to hear from people like Neil Back, Richard Hill etc.....players that have played at this level....rant over.


An exceptional England flanker from a few years ago with an Italian surname. I am amazed you don't know who she is because she does a great deal of 'expert opinion' work these days - particularly when Italy are playing (surname again).

You really do have to wonder about some people.

Maggie would have walked into many a men’s team

Some people? I would appreciate it if you offered up a counter rather than a personal attack.

I have zero interest in women's rugby and I still don't see the relevance to her giving "expert opinions" in this game tbh. I'm all for her doing the women's games.

My apologies. I had no idea how ignorant of Maggie’s achievements you are

MBE for services to rugby
74 England caps
World cup winner
Rugby hall of fame inductee
Masters degree in sports and exercise
Member of the panel for 2019 world rugby awards

So her expert option which you insist in putting in quotes to try and cheapen is quite frankly worth far more than many of the options on here. Mine included.
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