[solved]England Pre 2023 6Ns and Beyond.

First topic message reminder :

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jan/06/eddie-jones-mistakes-with-england-why-i-got-the-sack-rugby-union

Interview with Jones about being sacked there. Some interesting stuff in amongst it.

eirebilly_01 wrote:All that promise Italy showed last week has disappeared. Cynical and stupid so far. England could run up a big score here.

Or was France just undercooked and England and playing controlled rugby

I wish they would shop kicking the ball away...

eirebilly_01 wrote:All that promise Italy showed last week has disappeared. Cynical and stupid so far. England could run up a big score here.

Agree about Italy. For me, neither team looks exceptionally exceptional.

Geordie wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:It's rhe Willis show at the moment

He's playing well...try was a gift, but defensively he's been strong. Would still like to see sons form of a carrying game from him.

He's been carrying hard Sgt?

I've not seen it GF.

Who is Maggie Aphonsea and why is she commenting offering "expert opinion" on this game?

I don't see myself as an old fashioned type type bloke but would like to hear from people like Neil Back, Richard Hill etc.....players that have played at this level....rant over.

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:All that promise Italy showed last week has disappeared. Cynical and stupid so far. England could run up a big score here.

Or was France just undercooked and England and playing controlled rugby

Harsh on Italy, thought they were very good against France last week. Proper open rugby. None of that this week although, as you say, England playing very controlled rugby and not giving the chance to play.

Good play from Malins...

That was lovely from Malins.

This is is ridiculous.

Oh wow, savage call and wildly incorrect for me. No obstruction.

Try scored anyways so all good.

Doesn't matter in the end, but was a very frustrating call.

Why isn’t Trev here to tell us how the obstruction was the correct call?

Actually, I am happier to see the try come from the pack at this point.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:It's rhe Willis show at the moment

He's playing well...try was a gift, but defensively he's been strong. Would still like to see sons form of a carrying game from him.

He's been carrying hard Sgt?

I've not seen it GF.

Who is Maggie Aphonsea and why is she commenting offering "expert opinion" on this game?

I don't see myself as an old fashioned type type bloke but would like to hear from people like Neil Back, Richard Hill etc.....players that have played at this level....rant over.

What is it you don't like about Willis. He's an almost complete flanker.

Agree about the expert opinion though.

Nicely done from England. The forwards have completely monstered Italy's and it's been plain sailing.

Italy have been woeful.

Nothing like the spark they brought last week

Good start for England more of the same in the second half please.

tigertattie wrote:Italy have been woeful.

Nothing like the spark they brought last week

Or france were not at the races and England not letting them play

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:It's rhe Willis show at the moment

He's playing well...try was a gift, but defensively he's been strong. Would still like to see sons form of a carrying game from him.

He's been carrying hard Sgt?

I've not seen it GF.

Who is Maggie Aphonsea and why is she commenting offering "expert opinion" on this game?

I don't see myself as an old fashioned type type bloke but would like to hear from people like Neil Back, Richard Hill etc.....players that have played at this level....rant over.

An exceptional England flanker from a few years ago with an Italian surname. I am amazed you don't know who she is because she does a great deal of 'expert opinion' work these days - particularly when Italy are playing (surname again).

Smith should start the second half...

Why did Jones not like Willis

That's more like it. Willis excellent, itoje back to form, Dombrandt playing like we know he can. Lawrence good at 12
Much better shape to side.
Promising first half

I don't dislike Willis, just have reservations...I think we have better options. He's playing well though.

Alphonsi RWC winner with England so think she knows what's what. One of best women players.
Smith and Arundel could run riot later on.

Overall what I'd want to see from us. Couple of quibbles but good so far. Same again for first 20 and then some subs please.

lostinwales wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:It's rhe Willis show at the moment

He's playing well...try was a gift, but defensively he's been strong. Would still like to see sons form of a carrying game from him.

He's been carrying hard Sgt?

I've not seen it GF.

Who is Maggie Aphonsea and why is she commenting offering "expert opinion" on this game?

I don't see myself as an old fashioned type type bloke but would like to hear from people like Neil Back, Richard Hill etc.....players that have played at this level....rant over.

An exceptional England flanker from a few years ago with an Italian surname. I am amazed you don't know who she is because she does a great deal of 'expert opinion' work these days - particularly when Italy are playing (surname again).

You really do have to wonder about some people.

Maggie would have walked into many a men’s team

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I don't dislike Willis, just have reservations...I think we have better options. He's playing well though.

Who and what do they offer different that Jack doesnt

eirebilly_01 wrote:Oh wow, savage call and wildly incorrect for me. No obstruction.

Had to go out so just catching up ... crazy call

Willis England best player in first half. 15 tackles so far and try. Couple turnovers.

Yeah he's been terrible

tigertattie wrote:

Maggie would have walked into many a men’s team

Highly doubt it.

England still in the changing room

Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

I guarantee that if an English player was shoving his elbows into an Italian's players face on the floor it would have been a penalty.

Cumbrian wrote:I guarantee that if an English player was shoving his elbows into an Italian's players face on the floor it would have been a penalty.

Exactly

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

Why is the hands to Farrels face not checked?

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

Geordie wrote:

Cumbrian wrote:I guarantee that if an English player was shoving his elbows into an Italian's players face on the floor it would have been a penalty.

Exactly

2 instances of foul play by Italy let go now ...

Negri took out two English props in one hit there!

How many fecking times is Farrell going to do a bad kick through in the 22?

tigertattie wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

Geordie wrote:It's rhe Willis show at the moment

He's playing well...try was a gift, but defensively he's been strong. Would still like to see sons form of a carrying game from him.

He's been carrying hard Sgt?

I've not seen it GF.

Who is Maggie Aphonsea and why is she commenting offering "expert opinion" on this game?

I don't see myself as an old fashioned type type bloke but would like to hear from people like Neil Back, Richard Hill etc.....players that have played at this level....rant over.

An exceptional England flanker from a few years ago with an Italian surname. I am amazed you don't know who she is because she does a great deal of 'expert opinion' work these days - particularly when Italy are playing (surname again).

You really do have to wonder about some people.

Maggie would have walked into many a men’s team

Some people? I would appreciate it if you offered up a counter rather than a personal attack.

I have zero interest in women's rugby and I still don't see the relevance to her giving "expert opinions" in this game tbh. I'm all for her doing the women's games.

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

I guess not then, ye are just one of those fans that cannot be impartial. Enjoy

Have to wonder how we can see someone rubbing the hands and fingers across the eyes and face of Farrell and think yeah all good.

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

I guess not then, ye are just one of those fans that cannot be impartial. Enjoy

Lol you really haven't seen many of my posts then.

England have never been in any kind of trouble in this game bar the five mins after half time when they were not alert.

That pass was asking to be intercepted!

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

I guess not then, ye are just one of those fans that cannot be impartial. Enjoy

Lol you really haven't seen many of my posts then.

England have never been in any kind of trouble in this game bar the five mins after half time when they were not alert.

England have not been in any trouble no. Again, it was good play by Italy to score the try. Its not always down to England being switched off or not alert when a team scores against them. Sometimes other teams actually do something good...

BigGee wrote:That pass was asking to be intercepted!

One of those that if it breaks for you, it puts you in behind. Big risk though.

Good to see Polledri on.

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:

Geordie wrote:

eirebilly_01 wrote:Much better from Italy, that's how they were playing last week.

Until England came back out the changing room

Jaysus wept man. Can ye not give a little compliment to a team playing England when they do something good?

What's Jesus got to do with it? Why is he weeping?

I guess not then, ye are just one of those fans that cannot be impartial. Enjoy

Lol you really haven't seen many of my posts then.

England have never been in any kind of trouble in this game bar the five mins after half time when they were not alert.

England have not been in any trouble no. Again, it was good play by Italy to score the try. Its not always down to England being switched off or not alert when a team scores against them. Sometimes other teams actually do something good...

And yet often it is. If a team totally switches off...then it's not great play is it?

Cumbrian wrote:Good to see Polledri on.

Probably about the most positive thing about this match so far.