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Post by BigGee Sun 29 Jan 2023, 6:05 pm

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England v Scotland
Twickenham Stadium
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Calcutta Cup & 6 Nations Championship

Saturday 4th February 2023

Kick Off - 16.45



Well here we go again, The Auld Enemies meet up in their first games of the 6N to play for the Calcutta Cup, just the same as last year, except at a different stadium.

Time was, Scotland rocking up at Twickenham was pretty much a certain defeat, but we have won and drawn on our last two trips down south, so maybe HQ does not hold the same fear for us as it once did.


First games of the 6N can of course be a bit of a lottery, when form goes out of the window. Both sides though, could only be described as having patchy form in the first place, with England playing badly enough in the autumn to manage to get their coach the sack and Scotland hardly setting the heather alight either. So a hard one to call.

England under a new coach, have everything to prove and the players have world cup squad places on their minds. A big ask for a new squad under new coaching to immediately get what the new regime wants straight away.

Scotland are perhaps a lot more settled than they have been arriving for recent tournaments and the polemic between the coach, Townsend and the star playmaker, Russell seems to have simmered right down and has the making of a fine romance at the moment, can't live with each other, can't live without. Townsend is also probably playing for his job as well, as his contract has not been renewed post WC either. He says he would consider staying on, but whether he gets the chance will likely depend on a very good tournament from this perennially under performing side, albeit one that can pull off big wins on their day.


Home advantage for this fixture is still massive though and Scotland's depth will be sorely tested going into the competition with some key injuries, so the bookies money probably still rests with England. A close and exciting game though hopefully and I have got a vested interest as I am going!


My guess at the Scotland team:

1. Schoeman
2. Brown
3. Nel
4. Gray R
5. Gilchrist
6. Ritchie - capt
7. Crosbie
8. Fagerson M
9. Horne
10. Russell
11. DVDM
12. Tuipolotu
13. Harris
14. Steyn
15. Kinghorn


Subs

Sutherland
Turner
Fagerson Z
Skinner
Watson
White
Jones H
Smith





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Duhan is, well he’s just Duhan
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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:19 pm

Dombrandt rapidly losing his 8 spot for next game

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:20 pm

Ref very hot on England supporting their own weight - fair enough - but he also needs to stop Scotland from illegally slowing down England's ball

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:23 pm

Better

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:25 pm

Now that was nice play...

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:25 pm

Farrell's kicking - not so much ...

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Post by BamBam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:25 pm

Give Smith the kicking tee

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:27 pm

Ludlam made that two-on-one look easy. Something England haven't managed for a while.

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:28 pm

England attack showing clear improvement ... defence however is woeful

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:28 pm

Ludlum is Englands best player by quite some way. Ben Curry struggling

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Post by bsando Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:29 pm

Heaf wrote:England attack showing clear improvement ... defence however is woeful

I disagree, both attacks and defences have been very good. It's a high tempo game so gaps will inevitably open up.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:30 pm

Farrell's two botched conversions might be key. Seeing some superb attacking play by both sides.

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:30 pm

You could have driven a truck through the hole in midfield for Scotland's first try ...

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Post by bsando Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:31 pm

Awesome first half! I think its very even but England will win it with home support. Scotland guilty of silly mistakes at lineout time once again. That essentially setup the 2nd England try. England making mistakes too though so it's making this an incredibly tense match.

Malins has been terrific for England, he was a very good selection choice by Borthwick.

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:32 pm

Heaf wrote:You could have driven a truck through the hole in midfield for Scotland's first try ...

And most Sunday league players could defend better for the second try...

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:32 pm

Greatest try ever in a Calcutta cup game.,,,sod off

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:32 pm

Duty281 wrote:Farrell's two botched conversions might be key. Seeing some superb attacking play by both sides.

Yep you'd normally expect him to get both - the first one a bit more difficult but the 2nd should have been a sitter for him ...

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:36 pm

England need to play a lot better ib tge second half.
havibg said that England are playing better than they gave doe a while.

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Post by bsando Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:37 pm

England look very good! They'll only get better as well.

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:39 pm

We hope Very Happy

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:40 pm

majesticimperialman wrote:England need to play a lot  better ib tge second half.
havibg said that England are playing better than they gave doe a while.

New regime, the new structures are slowly clicking into place. England really need to improve their discipline.

It's two defensive misreads by the English midfield that have given the breaks for the Scottish tries otherwise we managed in defence quite well.

In attack Farrell is playing as a 12 not a dual 10 which is allowing for a more normal game for Smith which is helping him immensely.

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Post by mountain man Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:42 pm

Cracking match. Brilliant by VdM but woeful tackling.
Two good tries by Malins and Smith best game for England so far.
Farrell needs to practice kicking maybe....

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Post by bsando Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:53 pm

Great flat passing by England. This is textbook how England should always play

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:56 pm

bsando wrote:Great flat passing by England. This is textbook how England should always play

That's the idea I suspect.


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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:56 pm

Have England done any defence training.....

Ben Curry poor game

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Post by Duty281 Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:57 pm

Very frustrating. Seven point score, then a basic error off the restart allows Scotland to respond straight away. Plus more missed tackles.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 5:57 pm

Ben Curry misses a simple tackle and Marchant is again to wide to and out of place to do anything. Disappointing.

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:05 pm

JVP hasn't really impressed today.

Chessum looks like a longterm England lock.


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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:06 pm

The south Africa b side have a good attack at times

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Post by tigertattie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:07 pm

Hogg playing his way out the team
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Post by bsando Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:08 pm

Scotland made more than double tackles than England and still flying! That is impressive

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:08 pm

Geordie wrote:JVP hasn't really impressed today.


He's managed the tempo really well. His kicks have been generally on the money. I'd like to see more sniping but it's a solid 7/10 for me.

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Post by sensisball Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:12 pm

Chessum has been immense, also not a penalty magnet like Jonny Hill

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:12 pm

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Geordie wrote:JVP hasn't really impressed today.


He's managed the tempo really well. His kicks have been generally on the money. I'd like to see more sniping but it's a solid 7/10 for me.

I'll give him 6...done ok...

But he'll get alot more chances

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Post by Heaf Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:14 pm

That pen looked wrong way to me

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Post by sensisball Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:14 pm

Oh Christ the Blair switch project is on.
At least he's at 15, where he can use his pace.


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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:14 pm

sensisball wrote:Chessum has been immense, also not a penalty magnet like Jonny Hill

He has indeed...

Thoughts on Itoje?

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Post by sensisball Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:17 pm

Quite subdued I think.

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Post by sensisball Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:20 pm

Spoke too soon about Chessum, silly penalty to give away!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:23 pm

Russell has made too many mistakes

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Spoke too soon about Chessum, silly penalty to give away!

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:24 pm

Forward pass

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Post by mountain man Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:24 pm

Young's kicks away every ball. FFS

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:24 pm

Its the Duhan show

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Post by sensisball Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:24 pm

I love our bok jocks, or is that jock Boks!

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Post by tigertattie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm

Duhan. Will you marry me?
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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm

South Africa b team doing well

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Post by BamBam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm

Fookin missed conversions first half are going to bite

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Post by BamBam Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:28 pm

With Youngs at scrum half I expect nothing

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Post by Geordie Sat 04 Feb 2023, 6:29 pm

South Africa b win

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