England v Scotland 6N Championship Saturday 4th February 2023
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England v Scotland 6N Championship Saturday 4th February 2023
England v Scotland
Twickenham Stadium
London
Calcutta Cup & 6 Nations Championship
Saturday 4th February 2023
Kick Off - 16.45
Well here we go again, The Auld Enemies meet up in their first games of the 6N to play for the Calcutta Cup, just the same as last year, except at a different stadium.
Time was, Scotland rocking up at Twickenham was pretty much a certain defeat, but we have won and drawn on our last two trips down south, so maybe HQ does not hold the same fear for us as it once did.
First games of the 6N can of course be a bit of a lottery, when form goes out of the window. Both sides though, could only be described as having patchy form in the first place, with England playing badly enough in the autumn to manage to get their coach the sack and Scotland hardly setting the heather alight either. So a hard one to call.
England under a new coach, have everything to prove and the players have world cup squad places on their minds. A big ask for a new squad under new coaching to immediately get what the new regime wants straight away.
Scotland are perhaps a lot more settled than they have been arriving for recent tournaments and the polemic between the coach, Townsend and the star playmaker, Russell seems to have simmered right down and has the making of a fine romance at the moment, can't live with each other, can't live without. Townsend is also probably playing for his job as well, as his contract has not been renewed post WC either. He says he would consider staying on, but whether he gets the chance will likely depend on a very good tournament from this perennially under performing side, albeit one that can pull off big wins on their day.
Home advantage for this fixture is still massive though and Scotland's depth will be sorely tested going into the competition with some key injuries, so the bookies money probably still rests with England. A close and exciting game though hopefully and I have got a vested interest as I am going!
My guess at the Scotland team:
1. Schoeman
2. Brown
3. Nel
4. Gray R
5. Gilchrist
6. Ritchie - capt
7. Crosbie
8. Fagerson M
9. Horne
10. Russell
11. DVDM
12. Tuipolotu
13. Harris
14. Steyn
15. Kinghorn
Subs
Sutherland
Turner
Fagerson Z
Skinner
Watson
White
Jones H
Smith
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Geordie wrote:South Africa b win
No need to be bitter about it
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Really liked the way Scotland played, plenty of ambition and energy, topped off with some nice tries.
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Lets hope for Englad;s sake ot is the last hame they loode this +mations.
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I thought England looked very good in large parts but issues with defensive alignment that will get sorted pretty quickly. Few more games together and you’ll be in a good place
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tigertattie wrote:Geordie wrote:South Africa b win
No need to be bitter about it
Not bitter...you cant win games with a defence like that.
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We looked threatening but Youngs kicking the ball away twice within 25m was just criminal. Even the pen advantage was just an absolute nonsense kick straight through the goalposts. Our chances went with JVP
The attack was promising but defence needs some work. Ben Curry can’t start at openside if he’s missing those tackles
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Commiserations England fans that was one heck of an effort and they made it such an incredible match with some absolutely fantastic tries of their own.
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Full credit to Scotland though for the ambition in attack and the defensive effort.
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Good chance for Scotland to make it two wins from two next week.
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BigGee wrote:Did I ever mention that I have seen Scotland beat England at Twickenham twice!
Well...Saffa B
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bsando wrote:Unbelievable match!!! That was the best 6N game I have ever watched. Absolutely fantastic from both teams. Ritchie winning the turnover at the end was something out of a dream.
Commiserations England fans that was one heck of an effort and they made it such an incredible match with some absolutely fantastic tries of their own.
Thank you very gracious. Let's hope our respective idiots don't start stinking out the internet forum. Somehow I doubt it!
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Absolutely awful. Truly awful.
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Some promising elements for England but worrying individual errors in defence.
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They should do, a home game and Wales are playing some sort of 2015 All Stars team.Heaf wrote:Scotland now need to back it up and I think they have a good chance to do so next week ...
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Yoda wrote:bsando wrote:Unbelievable match!!! That was the best 6N game I have ever watched. Absolutely fantastic from both teams. Ritchie winning the turnover at the end was something out of a dream.
Commiserations England fans that was one heck of an effort and they made it such an incredible match with some absolutely fantastic tries of their own.
Thank you very gracious. Let's hope our respective idiots don't start stinking out the internet forum. Somehow I doubt it!
I don’t think many could complain about England. I felt it was a good performance and tactically things made sense. It’s thier first run out with Borthwick who has changed the way England play. England just came up against a Scotland team that wanted to win and not kick the ball away (no Ali price in team) and Duhan was in the mood to run!
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Negatives the defence just so poor, and please no more Youngs! His england days must be over by now.
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Englands attack showed glimpses of some potentially very impressive attack....the future couldcbecvery bright...
Defence....some glaring lapses which caused the tries. This will improve as the players SB wants in are available like Kelly etc...and once players get with the system. And once SB and KS have grIlled everyone who was on the pitch
In all honesty I feel more confident from that performance than I have from a load of Eddie's last games. We will improve massively over this 6n alone....
No more Youngs
Chessum fantastic
Still think Itojes position in danger
Bring in Ted Hill !
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Fair play Scotland for not bottling it and you have to wrap vdm and Russell in cotton wool throughout the tournament. Looking forward to next week already!
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Not had a drink yet.
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Thought virtually the entire Scotland back line ran circles around their England counterparts, were clearly the better group. Richie Gray is a stud (even though he spells Grey wrong), Jamie Ritchie too.
For England, Smith tried to do too much whilst Farrell did too little. Malins simply cannot play defense. I don't care how many tries he scores (especially when both were table-set for him), if a player cannot play defense, good-bye. Youngs is another discussion which should start with 'why?'. Ben Curry, too. Dombrandt was very up and down and for a while I was wondering if he is losing his spot in the squad.
And, if we park all of that mediocrity, Mr. Borthwick, the guru of the lineout who swore it was priority one, please let's not screw up another lineout from 5 or 6 yards out at the end of a game. Scotland defended it great, but England gave then the opportunity to tear through the maul like they were rag dolls.
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majesticimperialman wrote:Ba NmBam wrote:Put the bottle down maj
Not had a drink yet.
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And
Ted Hill
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Ted Hill, of course! To your point an England back row of Hill (Ted), Ludlum, Dombrandt would have been much better. I expect Borthwick and the team to need time to bed in (metaphorically speaking), but failure to execute a lineout with the game on the line and a mostly seasoned pack? aaarrgh. phooey. stinko.Geordie wrote:Doc....Scotland are a well drilled sIde...England arec11 days in wIth lots of Injuries to players who probably would have made quite a difference like Slade, Kelly,
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Ted Hill
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doctor_grey wrote:Ted Hill, of course! To your point an England back row of Hill (Ted), Ludlum, Dombrandt would have been much better. I expect Borthwick and the team to need time to bed in (metaphorically speaking), but failure to execute a lineout with the game on the line and a mostly seasoned pack? aaarrgh. phooey. stinko.Geordie wrote:Doc....Scotland are a well drilled sIde...England arec11 days in wIth lots of Injuries to players who probably would have made quite a difference like Slade, Kelly,
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Ted Hill
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Ah I do jest about Hill. Though yes I'd select him.
But England just need time to bed in.
Did losing to Scotland 3 games on the trot hurt....hell yeah...but I'd be more worried if I was Scotland.
They're well down the path and only just beat us...due to lapse in defence from a team that has been under new coaching staff for 11 days. And Farrell missed kicks.
We'll improve dramatically...I cant see Scotland improving much more....
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No 7&1/2 wrote:Wow. Pretty awful that. Hope that's the last we see of a few of the players now. Really surprised at some of the switches. Really solidified Scotlands win. Just shouldn't have happened.
Who do you want out
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Geordie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Wow. Pretty awful that. Hope that's the last we see of a few of the players now. Really surprised at some of the switches. Really solidified Scotlands win. Just shouldn't have happened.
Who do you want out
I thought Curry was dreadful and couldn't believe he remained on when Dombrandt went off. I was surprised Malins remained on. 2 tries which you would expect to be made but then looked iffy and a bit lazy in defence, when he did get the ball looked unthreatening. Marchant still not offering much in either track or defence the intro of Lawrence seemed far too late. I was scratching my head at the subs around those players as it just didn't make sense; stats or pre planned, just didn't seem based on the game I was matching. Am I allowed to mention that while winning by 1 point a guy came on the stop our momentum dead. Not even going to name him.
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1. Ludlam was fantastic. He linked well, tackled like a demon and was difficult to stop.
2. Chessum played far better thn Itoje did, who, aside from his usual penalties, was a bit "meh".
3. Ben Curry played well in attack, but some of his missed tackles were unforgivable. Maybe he was a bit "Rabbit in the headlights"?
4. It looks like, when coupled with Dan Cole, that Mako is able to finally scrummage. I've always been a bit hard on him (for good reason) but it seems that he's forgotten how to keep his face out of the dirt!
5. The Smith/Farrell axis looked better today. If Dan Kelly's fit next week though, it should be Farrell at 10 and Smith on the bench. Provided Farrell brings his kicking boots this time.
6. There are defensive issues (no surprise with just 11 days to learn it).
7. OHC made a couple of balls-ups. That said he was ok. He'll be back, and a will hopefully be a bit better.
8. Ben Youngs, based on his performance today, should never play for England again. The pace of delivery went down by about 75% when he came on, and then he twice kicked away possession straight to Scotland unnecessarily. If we'd have kept the ball in play the chances are we'd be nearer to a score as we were starting to penetrate to Scottish defence (see Genge's try). It was close, sure, but I believe we had that game up until he came on. Sure, JVP made a couple of errors, but they were small and didn't directly affect the game...
9. Lineout needs work. Come on Borthwick - you can do better.
10.Jamie George needed a rest at 60 minutes...
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Still don't think Farrell is a 12. Smith best game for England for a long time
Don't think OHC did much to be honest.
Ludlum really good
Itoje still not player he used to be.
How anyone can still contemplate Young's ever playing again for England is beyond me. All those who said should be in 23 I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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I am not so ure to be honest. maybe play Farrell at 10 12 ? Marchant 13Snith on the bench against Italy see what fiferenc that make to England#s style of play.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:Geordie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Wow. Pretty awful that. Hope that's the last we see of a few of the players now. Really surprised at some of the switches. Really solidified Scotlands win. Just shouldn't have happened.
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I thought Curry was dreadful and couldn't believe he remained on when Dombrandt went off. I was surprised Malins remained on. 2 tries which you would expect to be made but then looked iffy and a bit lazy in defence, when he did get the ball looked unthreatening. Marchant still not offering much in either track or defence the intro of Lawrence seemed far too late. I was scratching my head at the subs around those players as it just didn't make sense; stats or pre planned, just didn't seem based on the game I was matching. Am I allowed to mention that while winning by 1 point a guy came on the stop our momentum dead. Not even going to name him.
Agree about Curry....he had a bad day.
Agree about Malins....thnk Murley would have scored those and defended way better
Marchant...maybe Eddie was right playing him on the wing
Where was Ted Hill ha ha ha ha ha
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Incidentally, Farrell has played about half of his caps as an inside centre. Quite impressive for someone who isn't a 12.
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No 7&1/2 wrote:I think Amy is a pretty good judge yes.
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