Ireland v England 18&19 March - Grand Slam opportunities

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Ireland are going for Grand Slam wins on Saturday and Sunday this weekend with the seniors and U20s lining out in Dublin and Cork to face England.

After the slew of injuries in the Scotland, Ireland were looking at being down a good few players for their final match.

Bealham, Beirne, Henderson, McCarthy and Ringrose are all definitely out of the reckoning.  Rónan Kelleher may join them.   Sheehan and Doris might recover sufficiently from their knocks to be named in the squad.

Team named at 3.30pm Irish time.  

Porter, Sheehan, Furlong, Ryan, Baird, O'Mahony, Van der Flier, Doris
Gibson-Park, Sexton, Lowe, Aki, Henshaw, Hansen, Keenan
R: Herring, Healy, O'Toole, Treadwell, Conan, Murray, Byrne, O'Brien

England looking to change up things from their 23 last Saturday with Owen Farrell starting at 10, alongside Manu Tuilagi in midfield.  

Genge, George, Kyle Sinckler, Itoje, Ribbans, Ludlam, Willis, Dombrandt
Steward, Watson, Slade, Tuilagi. Arundell, Farrell, van Poortvliet
R: Walker, Vunipola, Cole, Isiekwe, Curry, Mitchell, Smith, Marchant.

Two players going for the ball and they collide ...

agree. merde.

He’s just bracing for the impact, nothing else.

Hes literally pulling out of the tackle as its a knock on.

Your kidding?

That's not a red for me.

He literally just stands there as play is over and gets run into. Horror decision.

That's garbage - it wasn't a tackle on a player with the ball - the ball was loose and they were both running for it and when he saw he wasn't getting there tried to pull out - rugby incident - another game ruined

Well done ref you got the result you wanted

Officials obviously worried it wasn't going to script ...

Arghh. Ita just a poor decision from the officials there. They've just treated that as a normal tackle not taking into account of the actual incident and context.

Twice England player gets run into and end up penalised

Typical Jonker. Always has it in for England.

We'd defended well up til that point.

GS for Ireland now

That's where rugby union lacks common sense. Steward is doing nothing there, just bracing for a collision, and it's purely accidental.

Definitely game over now. England were competing well, I don't think they would have won with 15 anyway, but it has ended the contest.

Clear red card. He turned into him and dropped his hands. If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away. He didn't. He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

It was accidental but unfortunately still a red. Its a shame though as it would have been a bigger achievement to win v 15 men.

I don't know why Jonker is still allowed to get involved in England matches - there have been so many examples of clear bias. I remember one French ref saying you must be joking (or words to that effect) when he tried to award a try to Aus with a blatant forward pass

Duty281 wrote:That's where rugby union lacks common sense. Steward is doing nothing there, just bracing for a collision, and it's purely accidental.

Definitely game over now. England were competing well, I don't think they would have won with 15 anyway, but it has ended the contest.

Didn't think it was red myself. Would have been happy with just a penalty

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Duty281 wrote:That's where rugby union lacks common sense. Steward is doing nothing there, just bracing for a collision, and it's purely accidental.

Definitely game over now. England were competing well, I don't think they would have won with 15 anyway, but it has ended the contest.

Didn't think it was red myself. Would have been happy with just a penalty

Yeah its a shame as it was shaping up to be a really tough match. Maybe it still will be.

Soul Requiem wrote:

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

The whistle hadn't been blown so the game was still ongoing, knock on or not he should have played on

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

yes there was - the game was still ongoing

Its harsh as anything but thats how the laws are written.  You heard Jonkers run thru the process

Anyway...game over ruined by the ref.

I 100% guarantee that if it had been the other way around it would have been a 'rugby incident'.   What was he supposed to do?

Why does Peyper keep consulting the video ref about things? I just watched Scotland vs Italy where the ref repeatedly said he couldn't check things.

Contentious decisions involving SH officials - it's all so predictable ...

carpet baboon wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

The whistle hadn't been blown so the game was still ongoing, knock on or not he should have played on

If Steward had tried to make the tackle then he probably wouldn't have made contact elbow first and he would have shown some duty of care. It was red card, unfortunate but you can't say it is right by the law but we won't follow the law.

This is Irelands sloppiest performance in a while. Looks like the nerves are getting to them. Its a good excercise in experiencing what a world cup knock out game would be like.

TJ wrote:There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

yes there was - the game was still ongoing

Its harsh as anything but thats how the laws are written.  You heard Jonkers run thru the process

Ignoring the context. And you know the ref isn't Jonker?

TJ wrote:There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

yes there was - the game was still ongoing

Its harsh as anything but thats how the laws are written.  You heard Jonkers run thru the process

But Jonkers would say black was white to screw England ...

Just mentioned at half time....it looks like he's going to kick the loose ball hence Steward turns in...there's your mitigation.Its the soft part of his arm....absolutely no time to adjust....yellow at worst.

Clear red lol....whatever.

Ruined a very good contest which I think Ireland would have went on to shade....disappointing.

Unclear wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

The whistle hadn't been blown so the game was still ongoing, knock on or not he should have played on

If Steward had tried to make the tackle then he probably wouldn't have made contact elbow first and he would have shown some duty of care.  It was red card, unfortunate but you can't say it is right by the law but we won't follow the law.

Ita not a red. Bad decision. You heard them say there's no mitigation when clearly there is. It's just not a typical situation so they're butchered it not being able to think in their feet.

Shut up Rory Best

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

Really? If that's a red then rugby's done, horrendous decision and I think deep down you know that's no way a red. Anyway you've clearly got the officials on side so it will be damage limitation for us. Enjoy your 4th GrandSlam.

Didn't realize England had so many conspiracy theorists,

Pity Steward couldn't have just vanished like England's entire defence did last week.

there's your mitigation

No mitigation is allowed under the laws unless its an attempt at a legal tackle

Sorry - I meant the ref

I think deep down you know that's no way a red.

Its a clear red under the laws. Yo make think the laws are wrong - but it clearly is red as the laws are

Second half could get ugly if England's heads drop. Hopefully the red card will have fired them up.

Galted wrote:Pity Steward couldn't have just vanished like England's entire defence did last week.

If he had time to turn, he had time to vanish.

TJ wrote:

there's your mitigation

No mitigation is allowed under the laws unless its an attempt at a legal tackle

Sorry - I meant the ref

So you think the officials have made a mistake when considering mitigation and saying there was none. We all agree so many mistakes here.

Utterly farcical red card. Best and O'Driscoll I'm afraid showing their colours and not in a good way.

That is game over and none of this " players must be protected" stuff, that was a wrong decision.

Let's not get into a slagging match lads.....

mountain man wrote:Utterly farcical red card. Best and O'Driscoll I'm afraid showing their colours and not in a good way.

That is game over and none of this " players must be protected" stuff, that was a wrong decision.

Yeah becomes evident when they're not being professional.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Let's not get into a slagging match lads.....

You need to start writing in red.

mountain man wrote:Utterly farcical red card. Best and O'Driscoll I'm afraid showing their colours and not in a good way.

That is game over and none of this " players must be protected" stuff, that was a wrong decision.

Correct - just because a player goes off injured doesn't mean someone is to blame ...

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Let's not get into a slagging match lads.....

You need to start writing in red.

Red is next level....it won't come to that, we're all grown ups.

It is what it is....we move on.

Jeez we are playing so badly, this will be a tough slog to bring this home.

Don't worry - the officials will make sure of it ...

Just meant for the sake of everyone its not evident that it's from a mod. On the phone app it doesn't even say who is a mod. I kust know it is after last week.

Collapse2005 wrote:Jeez we are playing so badly, this will be a tough slog to bring this home.

It's why the red is so disappointing....it was a great test for your boys.

No disappointment seeing you pick up the GS, just wish it was a full blown contest.