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Post by Pot Hale Thu 16 Mar 2023, 2:28 am

First topic message reminder :

Ireland are going for Grand Slam wins on Saturday and Sunday this weekend with the seniors and U20s lining out in Dublin and Cork to face England.

After the slew of injuries in the Scotland, Ireland were looking at being down a good few players for their final match.

Bealham, Beirne, Henderson, McCarthy and Ringrose are all definitely out of the reckoning.  Rónan Kelleher may join them.   Sheehan and Doris might recover sufficiently from their knocks to be named in the squad.

Team named at 3.30pm Irish time.  

Porter, Sheehan, Furlong, Ryan, Baird, O'Mahony, Van der Flier, Doris
Gibson-Park, Sexton, Lowe, Aki, Henshaw, Hansen, Keenan
R: Herring, Healy, O'Toole, Treadwell, Conan, Murray, Byrne, O'Brien

England looking to change up things from their 23 last Saturday with Owen Farrell starting at 10, alongside Manu Tuilagi in midfield.  

Genge, George, Kyle Sinckler, Itoje, Ribbans, Ludlam, Willis, Dombrandt
Steward, Watson, Slade, Tuilagi. Arundell, Farrell, van Poortvliet
R: Walker, Vunipola, Cole, Isiekwe, Curry, Mitchell, Smith, Marchant.


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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:48 pm

Two players going for the ball and they collide ...

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:48 pm

agree. merde.

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Post by Scottrf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:48 pm

He’s just bracing for the impact, nothing else.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:48 pm

Hes literally pulling out of the tackle as its a knock on.

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Post by Geordie Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:48 pm

Your kidding?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:49 pm

That's not a red for me.

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Post by Scottrf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:49 pm

He literally just stands there as play is over and gets run into. Horror decision.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:50 pm

That's garbage - it wasn't a tackle on a player with the ball - the ball was loose and they were both running for it and when he saw he wasn't getting there tried to pull out - rugby incident - another game ruined

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Post by Geordie Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:51 pm

Well done ref you got the result you wanted

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:51 pm

Officials obviously worried it wasn't going to script ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:52 pm

Arghh. Ita just a poor decision from the officials there. They've just treated that as a normal tackle not taking into account of the actual incident and context.


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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:52 pm

Twice England player gets run into and end up penalised

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Post by Mr Bounce Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:52 pm

Typical Jonker. Always has it in for England.

We'd defended well up til that point.

GS for Ireland now

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Post by Duty281 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:53 pm

That's where rugby union lacks common sense. Steward is doing nothing there, just bracing for a collision, and it's purely accidental.

Definitely game over now. England were competing well, I don't think they would have won with 15 anyway, but it has ended the contest.

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Post by TJ Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:54 pm

Clear red card. He turned into him and dropped his hands. If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away. He didn't. He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:54 pm

It was accidental but unfortunately still a red. Its a shame though as it would have been a bigger achievement to win v 15 men.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:55 pm

I don't know why Jonker is still allowed to get involved in England matches - there have been so many examples of clear bias. I remember one French ref saying you must be joking (or words to that effect) when he tried to award a try to Aus with a blatant forward pass

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:56 pm

Duty281 wrote:That's where rugby union lacks common sense. Steward is doing nothing there, just bracing for a collision, and it's purely accidental.

Definitely game over now. England were competing well, I don't think they would have won with 15 anyway, but it has ended the contest.
Didn't think it was red myself. Would have been happy with just a penalty

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Post by Soul Requiem Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:56 pm

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:58 pm

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Duty281 wrote:That's where rugby union lacks common sense. Steward is doing nothing there, just bracing for a collision, and it's purely accidental.

Definitely game over now. England were competing well, I don't think they would have won with 15 anyway, but it has ended the contest.
Didn't think it was red myself. Would have been happy with just a penalty

Yeah its a shame as it was shaping up to be a really tough match. Maybe it still will be.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 18 Mar 2023, 5:59 pm

Soul Requiem wrote:
TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

The whistle hadn't been blown so the game was still ongoing, knock on or not he should have played on

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Post by TJ Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:02 pm

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.
yes there was - the game was still ongoing

Its harsh as anything but thats how the laws are written.  You heard Jonkers run thru the process


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Post by Geordie Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm

Anyway...game over ruined by the ref.

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm

I 100% guarantee that if it had been the other way around it would have been a 'rugby incident'.   What was he supposed to do?

Why does Peyper keep consulting the video ref about things? I just watched Scotland vs Italy where the ref repeatedly said he couldn't check things.
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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm

Contentious decisions involving SH officials - it's all so predictable ...

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Post by Unclear Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

The whistle hadn't been blown so the game was still ongoing, knock on or not he should have played on

If Steward had tried to make the tackle then he probably wouldn't have made contact elbow first and he would have shown some duty of care. It was red card, unfortunate but you can't say it is right by the law but we won't follow the law.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:03 pm

This is Irelands sloppiest performance in a while. Looks like the nerves are getting to them. Its a good excercise in experiencing what a world cup knock out game would be like.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:04 pm

TJ wrote:There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

yes there was - the game was still ongoing

Its harsh as anything but thats how the laws are written.  You heard Jonkers run thru the process

Ignoring the context. And you know the ref isn't Jonker?

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:04 pm

TJ wrote:There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

yes there was - the game was still ongoing

Its harsh as anything but thats how the laws are written.  You heard Jonkers run thru the process

But Jonkers would say black was white to screw England ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:04 pm

Just mentioned at half time....it looks like he's going to kick the loose ball hence Steward turns in...there's your mitigation.Its the soft part of his arm....absolutely no time to adjust....yellow at worst.

Clear red lol....whatever.

Ruined a very good contest which I think Ireland would have went on to shade....disappointing.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:04 pm

Unclear wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

There wasn't a tackle to make, it was a knock on.

The whistle hadn't been blown so the game was still ongoing, knock on or not he should have played on

If Steward had tried to make the tackle then he probably wouldn't have made contact elbow first and he would have shown some duty of care.  It was red card, unfortunate but you can't say it is right by the law but we won't follow the law.

Ita not a red. Bad decision. You heard them say there's no mitigation when clearly there is. It's just not a typical situation so they're butchered it not being able to think in their feet.

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Post by Geordie Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:06 pm

Shut up Rory Best

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Post by Yoda Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:06 pm

TJ wrote:Clear red card.  He turned into him and dropped his hands.  If he had enough time to turn into the irish player, he had enough time to put his arms out to make an attempt at a legal tackle or to turn away.  He didn't.  He turned into him and dropped his arms

Yes its harsh but thats how the laws are written

Really? If that's a red then rugby's done, horrendous decision and I think deep down you know that's no way a red. Anyway you've clearly got the officials on side so it will be damage limitation for us. Enjoy your 4th GrandSlam.

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:06 pm

Didn't realize England had so many conspiracy theorists,

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Post by Galted Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:07 pm

Pity Steward couldn't have just vanished like England's entire defence did last week.

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Post by TJ Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:07 pm

there's your mitigation

No mitigation is allowed under the laws unless its an attempt at a legal tackle

Sorry - I meant the ref

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Post by TJ Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:08 pm

I think deep down you know that's no way a red.

Its a clear red under the laws. Yo make think the laws are wrong - but it clearly is red as the laws are

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Post by Duty281 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:08 pm

Second half could get ugly if England's heads drop. Hopefully the red card will have fired them up.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:08 pm

Galted wrote:Pity Steward couldn't have just vanished like England's entire defence did last week.

If he had time to turn, he had time to vanish.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:08 pm

TJ wrote:
there's your mitigation

No mitigation is allowed under the laws unless its an attempt at a legal tackle

Sorry - I meant the ref

So you think the officials have made a mistake when considering mitigation and saying there was none. We all agree so many mistakes here.

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Post by mountain man Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:09 pm

Utterly farcical red card. Best and O'Driscoll I'm afraid showing their colours and not in a good way.

That is game over and none of this " players must be protected" stuff, that was a wrong decision.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:09 pm

Let's not get into a slagging match lads.....

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:10 pm

mountain man wrote:Utterly farcical red card. Best and O'Driscoll I'm afraid showing their colours and not in a good way.

That is game over and none of this " players must be protected" stuff, that was a wrong decision.

Yeah becomes evident when they're not being professional.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:12 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Let's not get into a slagging match lads.....

You need to start writing in red.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:15 pm

mountain man wrote:Utterly farcical red card. Best and O'Driscoll I'm afraid showing their colours and not in a good way.

That is game over and none of this " players must be protected" stuff, that was a wrong decision.

Correct - just because a player goes off injured doesn't mean someone is to blame ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Let's not get into a slagging match lads.....

You need to start writing in red.

Red is next level....it won't come to that, we're all grown ups.

It is what it is....we move on.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:16 pm

Jeez we are playing so badly, this will be a tough slog to bring this home.

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Post by Heaf Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:17 pm

Don't worry - the officials will make sure of it ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:18 pm

Just meant for the sake of everyone its not evident that it's from a mod. On the phone app it doesn't even say who is a mod. I kust know it is after last week.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 18 Mar 2023, 6:19 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Jeez we are playing so badly, this will be a tough slog to bring this home.

It's why the red is so disappointing....it was a great test for your boys.

No disappointment seeing you pick up the GS, just wish it was a full blown contest.

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