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Post by BigGee Mon 23 Oct 2023, 9:32 am

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Well both Scotland's pro teams got off the mark with a W this weekend, though probably fair to say that Glasgow's was slightly more pleasing on the eye!

Still not to be sniffed at and probably a while since it last happened.

A good omen for the season, let's hope so, though early season games are not always a predictor of longer term performance. Both sides still got plenty of players to bring back into the fold and a lot of improvement to make.

Roll on 2023/24!

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm

Big swing in this game from Edinburgh getting a 3rd try disallowed to messing up an attack in the Bennett 22 leading to a breakaway try in return.

All bennetton now!

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Post by BigGee Fri 24 Nov 2023, 8:26 pm

Kinghorn again!

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Post by BigGee Fri 24 Nov 2023, 8:27 pm

Good time to score on the stroke of HT and Healy kicks a good conversion

19-10 Edinburgh

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 8:29 pm

Edinburgh end the half well but Kinghorn a good bet for a hat trick on his last home game. Edinburgh much the better team and really should get a try BP win. If they don't mess things up in the 2nd half!

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 8:46 pm

FFS Edinburgh - Bennetton score after the break. Another close one!

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 8:58 pm

Bennetton yellow and strange call for Edinburgh to go for posts. We've been absolutely smashing them in the mauls and had a lot of momentum at that point, and they were down a prop.

Go for corner surely!

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 9:11 pm

Absolute shambles from Edinburgh. We choose to go to corner this time (once the prop was back...) But mess up the lineout. Then a comedy of errors and Bennetton kick through. Kinghorn fumbles the ball 5m from line then palms off a shocker that the opposition pounce on and score!

For all we'll miss Kinghorn's attack, we'll not miss those stupid moments.

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 9:16 pm

How the hell did Edinburgh find themselves in this position

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Post by BigGee Fri 24 Nov 2023, 9:29 pm

God, Edinburgh chucked that one away!

Well done Brnetton for staying in the game though.

Toulouse certainly got to see both sides of Kinghorn in this game!

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Post by RDW Fri 24 Nov 2023, 9:30 pm

Absolutely shocker of a defeat for Edinburgh. Coach needs to give them an absolute bollocking after that sorry effort.

Absolutely in control of the game and much the better team. Two Bennetton breakaway tries kept them in the game and we kept compounding error after error. Edinburgh made a huge mistake not going to corner after the yellow card - a try would have killed the game instead 3 points kept them in it and they held onto the ball for the rest of the sin bin period.

Absolute shocker!

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Post by BigGee Fri 24 Nov 2023, 9:32 pm

Has to be said

Edinburgh looked a much better team when Price was playing SH than they did once BV came on. He just does not control the game the way thst top SHs can do.

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Post by jimbopip Fri 24 Nov 2023, 9:53 pm

What the absolute fecc!!! I watched the first half hour and then joined the present Mrs Pip in the front parlour; the game was too one sided to be that interesting, I decided to watch the second half as a warm up before Glasgow tomorrow.
How could the Luvvies lose that?
What must Aldi Price be thinking tonight?

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Post by bsando Fri 24 Nov 2023, 11:07 pm

Wow glad I missed that one. Some really angry comments on Twitter. Sounds like a painful Monday review is incoming.

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Post by RDW Sat 25 Nov 2023, 9:13 pm

Glasgow Ulster looks a hell of a game!

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Post by BigGee Sat 25 Nov 2023, 11:09 pm

Wow, just watched that on delay

First time this season Glasgow have really hit their straps. Some result from 14-0 down.

I thought Ulster really turnrd up as well and definitely brought the best out in us.

Really impressive performance!

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Post by BigGee Sun 26 Nov 2023, 11:48 am

I thought Kennedy hsd a pretty decent game last night. He certainly kept the ball moving at a decent rate which is what Glasgow require of a SH and he took his try well.

Maybe we are not going to miss AP as much as we thought!

In other news, rumours from the Rugby Paper that Cameron Redpath is contemplating a move up north. Not clear which team it might be though?

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Post by jimbopip Sun 26 Nov 2023, 1:00 pm

Two thoughts here;

Kennedy always was a decent scrum half; Scotland standard chin Lions standard Headscratch I think he is a good club player and worth his place in the squad. For me he's third behind Hornito and the House Elf.

Redpath? Here's the conundrum; the Luvvies are seven points behind the Rugby Club (top of the league) after six games because we have better players, so really they need Price, Redpath, Invalidity Benefit and a blood transfusion much more than we do. However, if he has any ambition the CR will be begging to move to a single-end in sunny Govan rather than the squalor and decay of Stockbridge.

top of the league. Very Happy

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Post by George Carlin Sun 26 Nov 2023, 2:42 pm

Yes, am very pleased with that Weej result.

The fact that they came back strongly and didn't ease up is what championship teams do, There is also real pride in defending their home turf which you also want to see as a fan.

Best of all, everyone's favourite Scoring Scouser is top try scorer in the league at the moment. Very Happy Give that man a giro and a knock-off 'Roleks'.

I have no words for how peed I am at the Stockbridge Ski Club. They absolutely beat themselves.
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Post by jimbopip Sun 26 Nov 2023, 2:45 pm

George Carlin wrote:Yes, am very pleased with that Weej result.

The fact that they came back strongly and didn't ease up is what championship teams do, There is also real pride in defending their home turf which you also want to see as a fan.

Best of all, everyone's favourite Scoring Scouser is top try scorer in the league at the moment. Very Happy Give that man a giro and a knock-off 'Roleks'.

I have no words for how peed I am at the Stockbridge Ski Club. They absolutely beat themselves.

Oooh er, matron. Shocked

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Post by RDW Sun 26 Nov 2023, 8:11 pm

Redpath to Edinburgh makes a lot of sense. Our midfield is probably the weakest position I'm the squad. Lang and Dean are decent club players but not top class.  Glasgow don't need another 12 given they're well stocked in the midfield department.

Saying that, will do.him no harm playing with Russell for the year albeit Redpath also has a lot of competition to get picked at Bath.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Mon 27 Nov 2023, 1:41 pm

Missed the games this weekend (and probably will for the foreseeable) due to the Christmas schedule heating up. Good win for Glasgow and a near miss for Edinburgh. This weekend is a keen test for both teams ambitions. Wins away in Ireland and both would end the first tranche of games in the top four.

As for Redpath, it would balance the Edinburgh backline better than retaining Kinghorn. Healy has struggled to run the backline effectively in attack at times and Redpath would be a real support in that department. What I would say though, is Edinburgh lack heft in the centres with Bennett at 13 (as good a strike runner he is) and maybe they would be better off with a Tuipulotu/McDowall-esque character to provide a hammer to go with the sickle. Can Matt Currie turn into that sort of player?

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Post by jimbopip Mon 27 Nov 2023, 4:50 pm

I'm just hearing that Furra Linee is joining the Scotland coaching team FULL TIME.
Best of luck to him, he looks like he could be a decent coach.
I don't think Toonie will be on the General's Chrimbo card list.

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Post by bsando Mon 27 Nov 2023, 10:16 pm

So that’s who Furra Linee is!!

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Post by BigGee Thu 30 Nov 2023, 12:02 pm

Glasgow Warriors team to face Munster at Musgrave Park, Friday 1 December, kick-off 7.35pm. You can watch the match live on Viaplay Sports, or follow the action in our Live Match Centre at glasgowwarriors.org.

1 Nathan McBeth
2 Johnny Matthews (56)
3 Lucio Sordoni (21)
4 Sintu Manjezi (14)
5 Scott Cummings (110)
6 Sione Vailanu (25)
7 Rory Darge (36)
8 Henco Venter

9 Sean Kennedy (27)
10 Duncan Weir (138)
11 Ollie Smith (35)
12 Stafford McDowall (C) (63)
13 Sione Tuipulotu (40)
14 Kyle Rowe (5)
15 Josh McKay (31)

Replacements

16 Angus Fraser (7)
17 Oli Kebble (89)
18 Zander Fagerson (132)
19 Greg Peterson (38)
20 Max Williamson (1)
21 Thomas Gordon (67)
22 Ben Afshar (1)
23 Tom Jordan (30)

Unavailable for selection: Fraser Brown (knee), Facundo Cordero (ankle), Jamie Dobie (ankle), Huw Jones (foot) JP du Preez (knee), Kyle Steyn (ankle)

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Post by BigGee Thu 30 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm

A bit of rotation from Glasgow, no doubt with the upcomming Euro games in mind, when you might imagine we will go fully loaded.

George Horne not risked, though it does seem that he has been training this week. Hopefully Ben Afshar gets more than 5 mins this time around.

The centre pairing of Sione and Lord Stafford seems to have been the one constant in recent weeks and both are not far off needing a rest I am sure. Shuggie seems to be almost back as well, which is good, we will likely see him next weekend. For all the talk of Redpath being a better fit at Edinburgh, we are not that flush for centres either and only really one injury away from a problem. The way our back three are playing currently, Steyn may also find himself playing in the centre a lot more when he gets back as well.

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Post by jimbopip Thu 30 Nov 2023, 4:23 pm

This time last year the General put out what we all considered a 2nd XV against Baarf. That didn't go too badly.
It was obvious that some players would need to be rested either this week or next. My gut feeling is that a home win against Northampton is higher on the must do list.
If we come away from Thomond with two points then we haven't lost ground in the URC: if we lose at home in our first match we'll struggle to make the knockout stages.
Turner, Richie, Fagerson, Dempsey, Hornito, Dimples, Sebastian should all be available next week.
I think it'll be very, very difficult against a Munster side who are playing really well. However I thought we were taking far too weak a side to Bath so what do I know?

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Post by BigGee Thu 30 Nov 2023, 11:13 pm

Jack Dempsey apparently was injured during the Ulster game and has had to have surgery on an eye socket bone, out for 6 plus weeks.

That is not good news, but hopefully back in time for the 6N.

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Post by Tramptastic Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:31 am

Alex Sanderson of Sale Sharks noting in Rugbypass that Edinburgh are trying to steal SQ scrum half Gus Warr

anyone aware of his quality?

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:43 am

Another good, young SQ player.

He was the starting SH for Sale most of last season and has been mentioned as a potential England player. Other than Price, I would say he is a step up on any of the other Edinburgh SHs.

He may well see better chances of playing internationally with Scotland than England as England also have a log jam of young SHs coming through.

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Post by Tramptastic Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:57 am

Thats no bad thing if he came north but if he goes to Edinburgh he's got Price, Vellacott and Shiel ahead of him

Glasgow have Horne, Afshar and Kennedy...

Price back to Glasgow and Warr to the Gunners?

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 10:07 am

He is a better player than Vellacott or Sheil.

Last week it was very noticable how Edinburgh dropped off once Price was subbed off. Neither of the other 2 manages a game well enough to be a really good SH.

Everett obviously noted that as soon as he arrived at Edinburgh and that is why he was so keen to get Price down the M8.

With Dobie injured now, you could potentially see a spit in the 6N squad for Warr regardless of whether he comes to Edinburgh or not.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Fri 01 Dec 2023, 10:15 am

If Warr does come up to Edinburgh, then Price should be off to pastures new. Glasgow already have a very good 1-2 in G Horne and Dobie and don't have the resources to have Price as third choice. Warr can compete with Vellacott and Steele as former Premiership starters.

For Price, a former Lions SH who may not get many more Scotland caps should get a healthy offer in France. Provence seem to be splashing the cash and look a fair bet to get promoted.

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Post by Tramptastic Fri 01 Dec 2023, 10:20 am

Good point Hazel, fun to notice that Edinburgh seem to have a habit of picking up former prem scrum halfs who amount to "not as good as we'd hoped..."

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 10:29 am

They have never picked one up who has been a regular starter and for the league leaders to boot.

I have now read the article with Sanderson and it also has to be said, they don't sound like they will be letting him go willingly and without making him a decent offer, so this may well all be hesrsay.

Price, as Hazel says, may well move on though. He will be looking for a decent contract and may or may not be offerred that to stay on. It might depend on what kind of performances he puts out over the next few months.

I sudpect he knew Glasgow were going to offload him at the end of this season, hence being keen to tske the Edinburgh offer and get himself back in the shop window.

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:17 pm

Kennedy unfortunately showing his limitations this week. A couple of costly mistakes

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:20 pm

Glasgow getting a bit of a shellacking atm

BP try for Munster before HT

We are playing for a BP already

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Post by jimbopip Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:26 pm

Munster collect the TBP before half time. Deservedly so. Their line speed is lightning quick and they are dominating the breakdown.

Glasgow? Sordoni doesn't have Ragnar's impact in the loose, McBeth looks short of match sharpness, Manjezi isn't putting in any carries, Ventner looks off the pace. Kennedy-Weir need to imrove or they may be waiting quite a while befor they start again.

Just to add insult to injury Ollie Smith is off injured. Jordan to 15 and McKay to the wing.

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Post by jimbopip Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:41 pm

The joys of 6/2; with Jordan on the Meatball can't be replaced, The General won't want to bring Brimfull on for Kennedy ib case another back gets injured.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:45 pm

Weegies not at the races tonight, and Munster playing very well. Don't think the ref has finished with Glasgow yellow cards either.

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Post by bsando Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:49 pm

Caught the first quarter and that was pretty limp from Glasgow but Munster played really well. Yes Glasgow made some poor errors but Munster have been better in the air and the quality between both sides scrum halves and standoffs is pretty significant.

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Post by RDW Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:51 pm

jimbopip wrote:The joys of 6/2; with Jordan on the Meatball can't be replaced, The General won't want to bring Brimfull on for Kennedy ib case another back gets injured.
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Glasgow having to rely on Kennedy and Weir is a major weakness in an otherwise very strong squad thank season.

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 8:53 pm

Duncy having a mare with the boot off the tee, which ironically is usually why he is in the team.

Still 3 tries now and 25 mins to go. I'll be more thsn happy with a point from this game

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Post by RDW Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:00 pm

You know what this isn't over yet...fair play Glasgow's pack for getting them back in it!

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:00 pm

Well, a PT and BP for 4 tries

One point from this gsme always a decent result and anything else is a bonus. Munster get a YC as well

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Post by RDW Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:03 pm

Ok probably game over now.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:08 pm

Darge has been pretty useful, but Munster just have an extra gear this evening.

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Post by RDW Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:20 pm

That Glasgow maul really is a thing of beauty this season. Can they teach the Scotland team that!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:21 pm

If Weir had kicked well Glasgow would be in LBP territory by now.

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Post by BigGee Fri 01 Dec 2023, 9:22 pm

Well we played sh1t, but we got a point, so I guess we should be happy.

Ashfar certainly upped the pace when he came on, but struggling to take to many positives from that game.

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Post by bsando Fri 01 Dec 2023, 10:03 pm

Excited to see Ashfar develop this season, we need another scrum half to challenge Dobie. He’s built pretty similarly to Cam Roigard who was superb for the all blacks during the World Cup. Six foot four is tall for a scrum half!

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