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Post by legendkillar Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:30 pm

The team is announced and Andy Murray is in it. I find it to be quite a delicate subject. Having left Davis Cup duties back in 2008 to focus on his 'Singles' career. Since it become public knowledge that non-participation in the Davis Cup would result in a player not being eligible to participate in the 2012 Olympic Games, I am sure British tennis fans have wondered whether Andy Murray would return to represent his country. Questions I have are, was Leon Smith right to pick Murray? Is Murray playing for the right reasons?

Please no player bashing from the Murray haters!! I want to see constructive comments and what people think on the moral of the Davis Cup in Britain.

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Post by Calder106 Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:49 pm

Answers

1) Leon Smith must pick the best players available. Therefore if Murray makes himself available he gets picked.

2) Not sure if he is playing for the right reasons and suspect if it had not been a stipulation he would have pulled out after his Wimbledon defeat. However given the fact that he has been British male tennis for the past 5 years I think he has earned the right to go to the Olympics. Remember he has played for Britain in the Hoffman Cup (?) the past two years All be it as part of his AO preparation.

From a personal point of view I wouldn't have tennis in the Olympics. The are are 4 slams a year which get huge media coverage. Tennis in the Olypics is a sideshow but that's a different discussion.

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Post by Davie Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:51 pm

I'd love to see Murray win the Olympic gold medal - just to see him atop the rostrum while God Save The Queen is played


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Post by Calder106 Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:52 pm

On another slightly different topic. Colin Fleming and Ross Hutchins are now an established pairing and got to the Wimbledon QF's so why is the Davis Cup pairing Colin Fleming and Jamie Murray.

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Post by legendkillar Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:55 pm

Davie wrote:I'd love to see Murray win the Olympic gold medal - just to see him atop the rostrum while God Save The Queen is played

That would be awesome. Very Happy

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Post by Guest82 Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:20 pm

Calder106 wrote:On another slightly different topic. Colin Fleming and Ross Hutchins are now an established pairing and got to the Wimbledon QF's so why is the Davis Cup pairing Colin Fleming and Jamie Murray.

To try and keep Andy interested in playing, obviously.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:55 am

i agree i dont think jamie should play and if he gets picked because of his brother thats a disgrace

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Post by yummymummy Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:16 pm

Just 1 point LK

The last time Andy played DC was with an injured wrist. HE
won all his matches but the other Brits couldn't managed one between them!

After that debacle he was out of action for weeks due to his injury
Notice he played SPECIFICALLY against medical advice.

It's no wonder he was disallusioned.

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Post by sportslover Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:53 pm

With Andy onboard and James Ward showing some form this should result in a victory.

The doubles combo does however throw up some controversy.

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Post by bogbrush Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:59 pm

Outer Mongolia and the Faroe Islands will be quaking.
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Post by sportslover Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:05 pm

bogbrush wrote:Outer Mongolia and the Faroe Islands will be quaking.

As a tennis guru you should know that a win here takes them yet another step forward to joining the Worlds elite Wink

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Post by bogbrush Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:08 pm

sportslover wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Outer Mongolia and the Faroe Islands will be quaking.

As a tennis guru you should know that a win here takes them yet another step forward to joining the Worlds elite Wink

To be really honest, as a tennis guru I know that Davis Cup doesn't matter.
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Post by Calder106 Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:11 pm

It does to Djokovic and Serbia, Nadal and Spain. I'm sure that Andy Murray would be more committed to it if there was stronger back up for him.

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Post by sportslover Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:12 pm

To you maybe to others and those that take part it does.

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Post by bogbrush Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:12 pm

The difference being they are wrong. Wink
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Post by lydian Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:54 pm

I think GB has alot more to worry about that DC....like getting another player into the top 200 or even 100. Cant see how we'll ever get back into the Elite group with the players we have - Murray would have to carry the team the whole way, and then its not really a team is it.

Might as well be playing for the Mavis Cap as the Davis Cup.
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Post by bradman99.94 Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:19 pm

Good to see Boggo playing again and qualifying for an ATP event. I know he played in the Wimbledon qualies but I think he was out injured prior to that; would he put pressure on Ward for the second singles spot if he does well? When is the DC game?

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:21 pm

AC:DC...and just like an electric current, the DC will blow all our fuses when we get beaten by Luxemburg. A big fat damp squib is what it will be, but whatever the result, Murray will be able to play in the Olympics which is what he needed to do to get there.

as for up and coming players to take over from Murray and Ward, there's Liam Brody, but already the media are putting pressure on him by "nearly" winning the junior SW19 crown.

Some one who knows a lot about it is this chap.....

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/53825000/jpg/_53825235_3163342.jpg

anyone know/remember who he was, and why his experience is topical ?

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Post by wow Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:42 pm

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:02 pm

Oliver Golding and Liam Broady should be picked!
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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:19 am

Anyone interested in watching the DC and who have Eurosport
it's on Eurosport 2 @ 3-45pm today ..

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:30 am

Hug

Thanks for the tip yummy kiss

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Post by Gonzini Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:37 am

the LTA website is also streaming the british davis cup matches over the weekend for those who don't have access to a TV

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:42 am

Will this be another Andy over-kill Whistle

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:51 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanoverend/2011/07/the_changing_times_of_the_davi.html

This is quite the interesting article for once from Jonathan Overend.

Should be a good debate to have. Smile

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Post by time please Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:19 am

Of course Murray should be selected - we certainly need him for 2012.

Quite agree with yummy, the last time he played he did so with wrist problem and won, only for GB to get beaten - until GB can challenge consistently, I think it is better for Murray and for Britain to have him fit and healthy for the major events. In the meantime, when he wants (or needs for qualification) to play, yes he should be selected - he is a world class player and the best we have by several country miles Very Happy

Actually, really pleased that he is 'getting back in the saddle' straight away - I think it might be much better for him after tough semi loss and the fall out than waiting for US hardcourt season to begin.

Just read your article Legend - amazing how times change indeed!


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Post by hawkeye Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:41 pm

Just imagining some time in the future when tennis players careers are judged by their performance in Davis Cup.

Slams have been reduced to no more than elaborate garden parties where the rich and famous go to be seen. The tennis is a side show where young local students get their annual chance to play on a big court in front of an audience. Nothing too distracting as the real business is taking place away from the courts over a nice lunch.

Roger Federer (if he is remembered at all) is known as a plucky player who tried his best but never quite managed to win the "big one".

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:48 pm

What the .... is Leon thinking of playing DAN EVANS !!!!!!!!!

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:17 pm

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Ward v Muller Tumbleweed

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:38 pm

WHY is it that most of the LTA Brit Players look like under-nourished
little boys compared to the opposition Whistle

Did they ask for more and Draper said NO !!!!! ?

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:52 pm

Who wants a bagel for supper??

Come on Andy!!

Bubbly

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:00 pm

6-0 6-0 6-0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If ONLY the rest of the GB team could do as well Whistle

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:07 pm

If they could win a set it would be an achievement. raspberry

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:16 pm

Having a dig at Ward are we yummy? well i thought you didn't like that sort of stuff..

Murray may struggle playing against Muller btw Wink
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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:18 pm

Struggle against Muller? Tumbleweed

Ward still has a chance against the alking rubber Murray faced.

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:20 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Having a dig at Ward are we yummy? well i thought you didn't like that sort of stuff..

Murray may struggle playing against Muller btw Wink

I wasn't having a *dig* JM - just offering my *expert* opinion Rolling Eyes

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:24 pm

was this 'Bram' playa just picked out from the crowd? lol
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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:26 pm

He might as well have been JM Whistle

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:27 pm

SEE - We can converse in a civilised manner (occassionally)

Laugh Laugh

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:37 pm

wow wrote:Robert Dee

Not quite wow, it is Stanley Matthews Jnr, who last won the junior title way back in the mid 60's. He never went on to do anything major on the pro circuit, but his advice to Broady is to learn to take the early pressure that will burden his shoulders in the next few years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/14003123.stm

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Post by CaledonianCraig Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:00 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

Murray may struggle playing against Muller btw Wink

I presume you aren't British then Josiah? The little wink was the give away.
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:16 pm

look Muller just straight setted Ward who is only slightly below Murray talent-wise, pretty sure Murray will be back to playing counter-punch retriever!

Muller also pushed Nadal closer than Murray ever could on grass!
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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:19 pm

Slightly??

Muller didn't even take a set off Nadal!!

I say dear boy refrain from the utter rubbish in that last post!! laughing

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Post by CaledonianCraig Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:21 pm

Ward only slightly below Murray talent-wise?? laughing

Jeez that comment has just blown the last shred of credibility you had left.
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Post by Josiah Maiestas Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:28 pm

Not rtue LK when you consider that Nadal had to focus more against Muller due to his very tough serving yet when he's playing against Murray he isn't worried as he knows that the distant 4th seed will freeze and hand him a bunch of easy points, it really was a crime that Murray made the semi's with his limited play..
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Post by CaledonianCraig Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:34 pm

And you claim not to be a WuM with comments like that. Rolling Eyes
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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:10 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:look Muller just straight setted Ward who is only slightly below Murray talent-wise, pretty sure Murray will be back to playing counter-punch retriever!

Muller also pushed Nadal closer than Murray ever could on grass!

"slightly* ??? SLIGHTLY ???????????????
Are you in the same Universe as the rest of us JM - or do you rely on the Soup Dragon
for nourishment ?

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Post by yummymummy Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:14 pm

I hereby declare that JM is a WUM and is not worthy of
a reply from any tennis Fan !!!!!!

In other words *Sshhhhhh* when *it* posts !

Smack my legs and bar me Mods but his remarks are getting
ridiculous - do something !

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Post by sportslover Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:15 pm

yummymummy wrote:
Josiah Maiestas wrote:look Muller just straight setted Ward who is only slightly below Murray talent-wise, pretty sure Murray will be back to playing counter-punch retriever!

Muller also pushed Nadal closer than Murray ever could on grass!

"slightly* ??? SLIGHTLY ???????????????
Are you in the same Universe as the rest of us JM - or do you rely on the Soup Dragon
for nourishment ?

Josiah knows as much about tennis as you do about bull-fighting yummy!

Sleep easy Wink

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:31 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Not rtue LK when you consider that Nadal had to focus more against Muller due to his very tough serving yet when he's playing against Murray he isn't worried as he knows that the distant 4th seed will freeze and hand him a bunch of easy points, it really was a crime that Murray made the semi's with his limited play..

JM if logic were the legal the language and I could punish those guilty of not using it, I would make you wear a bagpipes and don't ask where the pipes would go!

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