The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Stephen Jones photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

Dreamer - in the opening post you can remove the bit about Tommy. The photo's gone...

That is twice I've been typing and the pub has vanished!

Are you all trying to tell me something?

No just bad timing MrsP.

eh, where'd the photo go?! I hope no one's stolen it.....

Okay. But if it happens again I'll take the hint!

I was going to ask if Glas speaks a dialect because sometimes the translator thing doesn't seem to recognise it.

Maybe I'm just using a rubbish translator?

I reckon it was an angry mob Dreamer. Driven by jealousy....

he definitely speaks a dialect Mrs P, I don't understand half the stuff in Welsh he puts on here.

also just had a thought, if he writes as he speaks, that won't come up on translators as correct Welsh as he could well be using abreviations etc.


Cari - curse the angry mob then! I shall change it in a bit, perhaps with each pub, we can have a photo of a new player.....

rugbydreamer wrote:he definitely speaks a dialect Mrs P, I don't understand half the stuff in Welsh he puts on here.

I'm never sure if he's just extracting the Michael.

Make sure you include female stars Dreamer....for the sake of equality.

Wrth gwrs Cari, Non Evans shall be up there for one week that's for sure (and then any other female rugby player I can think of!)


MrsP - neither am I sometimes!

Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam.

A cool sean fhocail I heard during the week.

I knew you'd replace it with Wellies!! You've been dying to do that since the pub opened! (I think that smiley is him...)

That's confusing me greatly.

So in Irish gan means without. In Welsh it can mean either by or with. So strange.

Also to note, coz I'm feeling quite geeky that Tir in Irish means country and in Welsh it means land, so could imply the same thing

Cari wrote:I knew you'd replace it with Wellies!! You've been dying to do that since the pub opened! (I think that smiley is him...)

you know me too well! (and agree on the smiley....)

I actually had trouble spelling his name (kept writing StephAn) as StephEn didn't look right. I keep reading it as Step Hen. My poor brain is addled today

Munsty,you only learned that last week? That was drilled into us in primary.

Anyone who doesn't know what Munsty is saying,(I don't understand him half the time ) it means a country with a language is a country without a soul. Google translate is awful for those "minor" languages.

They also say; the greatest weapon the English gave the Irish was their own language. A lot of the literature that helped create the sense of Irish national identity that was a bedrock of nationalism was written in English.

I went to see Brian Friels play Translations last month. Essential viewing/reading.

A country without a language, a country without a soul

Notch,a lot of the great Irish plays of the 20th and 19th century are in English. I think this is known as the Anglo-Irish Literary Revival but if Kia is about she will put me in my place.

It would actually be a very quiet country with no one saying anything


Anyway, I'm off to watch Single Handed and eat biscuits

Yes I speak a dialect and I type spoken Welsh.

Lwc o anlwc means luck coming from adversity.

And Mrs P I take the Michael ever so subtly, so subtly sometimes nobody realises I'm doing it but I wouldn't debase Welsh by using it for such a purpose.

Sounds good Cari,what's single handed?

Is leor nod don eolach....A hint is sufficient for the wise Link

Not what you think you naughty boy.

Thomond wrote:Notch,a lot of the great Irish plays of the 20th and 19th century are in English. I think this is known as the Anglo-Irish Literary Revival but if Kia is about she will put me in my place.

It's a funny thing, to imagine Ireland without the English influence is to imagine a country very different and in some ways unrecognisable. In the same way I often see Northern Ireland as being in a lot of ways what Ireland would be like if it were still in the UK.

What's also interesting is the process of re-nationalisation in Ireland; sort of forced in some ways. Very natural in others.

Notch wrote:They also say; the greatest weapon the English gave the Irish was their own language. A lot of the literature that helped create the sense of Irish national identity that was a bedrock of nationalism was written in English.

I went to see Brian Friels play Translations last month. Essential viewing/reading.

Sister went to see that recently. Loved it I believe. She also performed a part of it in a play she did last year in school. Looked very good in that short snippet.

Ignorance corner - why does Leinster not have a dialect?

Thanks Glas.

The translator we have is Bing and it doesn't have Welsh and then I have to find one that does and then another because it didn't get it and then another and by that time the conversation has moved on so I feel daft asking what you said 10 mins ago.

Irish is a really beautiful language, the spelling of most words won't vary in the different dialects but the pronounciation of them would. Dublin kind of has a dialect now. Glas Leinster was one of the provinces most loyal to the crown and I imagine not much Irish would have been spoken in the Pale. Again, Kia is the one to ask.

Nae bothar Mrs P, I'm practicing my Scots ready for the annual pilgrimage to Lanark.

Ignorance corner - the pale? Wasn't that in Poland?

Mrs P, if ever there's a Welsh word/phrase I don't know, I try http://www.geiriadur.net

Tis a Welsh to English online dictionary (and vice versa)

The one I remember is gach is what I was taught to mean every but in the North, they say achan.

二在底杆的雞蛋和芯片 = Two egg and chips in the bottom bar

From last pub, before I was thrun out... Hoi MrsP. Hoi Cari. Hoi Dreamer. Missed your faces.
Notch, Munsty, Stag, Mickado et al, see ye goys on Sat for a pint. Not going to the game but will meet up for a few swift ones.
Rava is picking me up and we are heading in. Grand.

The Pale was the part of Ireland that was directly under the control of the English crown in the middle ages. Dublin and much of Leinster.

So it was much, much more anglicised than the rest of Ireland I believe. Home of the Anglo-Irish Protestant gentry.

Αυγό δύο και τσιπ στον κατώτατο φραγμό = Two Greek eggs and chips in the bottom bar

heya Gibbo How've you been? Looking forward to seeing Eve again this evening?

Gibson wrote:From last pub, before I was thrun out... Hoi MrsP. Hoi Cari. Hoi Dreamer. Missed your faces.
Notch, Munsty, Stag, Mickado et al, see ye goys on Sat for a pint. Not going to the game but will meet up for a few swift ones.
Rava is picking me up and we are heading in. Grand.

Heard as much- looking forward to it. Feic, you'll be insufferable if Jenno is in the team!

Notch wrote:

Thomond wrote:Notch,a lot of the great Irish plays of the 20th and 19th century are in English. I think this is known as the Anglo-Irish Literary Revival but if Kia is about she will put me in my place.

It's a funny thing, to imagine Ireland without the English influence is to imagine a country very different and in some ways unrecognisable. In the same way I often see Northern Ireland as being in a lot of ways what Ireland would be like if it were still in the UK.

What's also interesting is the process of re-nationalisation in Ireland; sort of forced in some ways. Very natural in others.

It's funny when people try to change what happened because it can't be undone.

We talked about colonialisation in literature this year and it was interesting to see how English people saw it considering they are from a nation that does not have a recent history of it.

Munsty put 'gach' into the welsh translator

So is that where "beyond the pale" comes from?

You have never been to Birmingham then

Glas a du wrote:So is that where "beyond the pale" comes from?

Yup yup.

I just put 'cach' into the dictionary to search part of a phrase:

Cachgi - coward, Cachgi bwm - bumble bee.....

I shall not say here what cachu means however....

Thomond wrote:Irish is a really beautiful language, the spelling of most words won't vary in the different dialects but the pronounciation of them would. Dublin kind of has a dialect now. Glas Leinster was one of the provinces most loyal to the crown and I imagine not much Irish would have been spoken in the Pale. Again, Kia is the one to ask.

T, you are incorrigable boy. Where was the Big Man (Mick Collins) shot again? Loyalty me arrse. Cork is more Royalty-loving than Dubh Linn. FACT.

Goin for a swift pint. Love ye all.

I don't know. Apparently so.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beyond-the-pale.html

Beyond the pale where the wild Irish speaking hordes of Ulster, Munster and Conancht. So wild and unruly were the ones up in Ulster that the English crown decided to export their own troublemakers- the Presbyterian Scots- to settle the province and tame the Catholic Irish.

In hindsight, it didn't work all that well.