Re: ATP World Tour Finals 2011, London Calling

by Jahu Fri 25 Nov 2011, 1:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

nitb, be logical for once, he has been an embarrassment to what he plays, why negate it?

by Guest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:51 pm

NITB - the ancients have entrusted these secrets to me (emancipator) alone.

It would be unbecoming of me to reveal them on an internet video.

Great power comes with great responsibility.

Dear child, ye must walk the long road first.

ghost

by hawkeye Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:51 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Everyone wants Nole to lose
Such is the fate of the best...as expected...

Nah. I want him to lose because he isn't as "manly" as Rafa...

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:52 pm

I really can't say I care too much about the result of this match NITB. If Nole goes through I'll support Fed against him, but that's because I like Fed more as a tennis player.

Looks like Nole could be on his way down here.

by bogbrush Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:52 pm

Losing the last set doesn't matter. win or lose, Berdy now needs to win against Ferrer.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:54 pm

I'm just joking everyone laughing

...as expected from a Djoker fan Wink

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:55 pm

it matters for Ferrer though BB, if Tipsy wins this than any win by Berdych means Berdych tops the group, whereas if Nole wins Ferrer would still top the group if he lost in 3.

by Tenez Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:59 pm

bogbrush wrote:Losing the last set doesn't matter. win or lose, Berdy now needs to win against Ferrer.

My understanding is that Berdych just needs to win a set now.....

But I don't think Nole wants to qualify anyway. He seems very keen to lose if anything.

Edit - nope I was wrong. BB's right. though I still think Djoko does want to get through. He is doing his best to get out but he still has a chance to play the semi....poor guy.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri 25 Nov 2011, 3:59 pm

Eggovic forgot his chamber enhancement? thumbsup

by slashermcguirk Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:02 pm

With tipsy taking that set, could well be the end for djokovic regardless of who wins 3rd set. Cant see ferrer caring too much for his match and reckon berdych may win in 3 sets at the least. Would be nitemare for the tournament to have no nadal, djokovic or Murray in semis! Hope I am wrong and djokovic comes through somehow

by Tenez Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:05 pm

With the match starting at 8pm, Ferrer is more likely to save his energy for the Semi.

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:07 pm

You'd think he'd try to top the group still though wouldn't you Tenez? Surely he'd feel he has more chance of beating Tsonga then Federer?

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:07 pm

I'll be disappointed if Nole loses this match.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:09 pm

Come on Nole, squash this loser!

by Tenez Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:12 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:You'd think he'd try to top the group still though wouldn't you Tenez? Surely he'd feel he has more chance of beating Tsonga then Federer?

Indeed.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:13 pm

Pedal to the metal now Cool

by Jahu Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:15 pm

Did I say Tipsy in 3? Yep.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:15 pm

I can see that Nole is missing my spirited presence and cheering at the O2 Sad

by Tenez Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:19 pm

This Djoko reminds me a lot the Djoko that first qualified to the Masters...in 2007? He played all his RRs without caring of the results. This year he only cared about not losing to Berdych.

by bogbrush Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:21 pm

Tenez wrote:This Djoko reminds me a lot the Djoko that first qualified to the Masters...in 2007? He played all his RRs without caring of the results. This year he only cared about not losing to Berdych.

Thought that myself.

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:21 pm

Tipsy with possibly the worst HE challenge in history, but he wins on the next point as Nole nets. Djokovic now relying on Ferrer to lose to Berdych tonight to progress, but he looks to me like he doesn't particularly want to anyway...

by Guest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:22 pm

I think Ferrer will beat berdy.

It will be Fed v Novak in the semi.

by carrieg4 Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:23 pm

Just seen the score! Was Nole under par? Tipsy over par? or a bit of both?

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:23 pm

To the unforgettable, one and only 2011 year of Novak Djokovic, for all the beautiful moments you gave this fan, have a good rest Nole, can't wait to see you next year , fresh and electric heart

by Josiah Maiestas Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:25 pm

Egg chamber > binned.

Novak really should hire his former nutriotinist.

by Guest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:26 pm

The big question is what is the order of play tomorrow?

by slashermcguirk Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:28 pm

Djokovic almost looked relieved to be finished with that match. If I was him I would kick the feet up and have a few beers! 3 slams, 5 masters and 2 other titles this year along with reaching world number one. Suspect he won't be losing any sleep tonight. Also this is a tournament he has already won before. Shame he could not go further but can hardly blame the guy for losing some motivation!

by zaron Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:28 pm

Ferrer vs Berdych is now a winner takes the group, and plays Tsonga in the semi.

If Ferrer loses, he will play Federer in the semi. But if Berdych loses, he is out, and Djokovic will play Federer in the semi.

by slashermcguirk Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:31 pm

Does djokovic still go through even if berdych loses in 3 sets. Would that not mean berdych has won more sets or does it come down to head to head??

by Guest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:32 pm

It comes down to H2H.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:32 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:Djokovic almost looked relieved to be finished with that match. If I was him I would kick the feet up and have a few beers! 3 slams, 5 masters and 2 other titles this year along with reaching world number one. Suspect he won't be losing any sleep tonight. Also this is a tournament he has already won before. Shame he could not go further but can hardly blame the guy for losing some motivation!

I'm sure he will, on Tipsy, as expected...let's go tipsy, let's go Laugh

by **laverfan** Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:35 pm

slashermcguirk wrote:Does djokovic still go through even if berdych loses in 3 sets. Would that not mean berdych has won more sets or does it come down to head to head??

2) Regardless of score, if J. TIPSAREVIC defeats N. DJOKOVIC and D. FERRER defeats T. BERDYCH, then D. FERRER wins the group and N. DJOKOVIC qualifies 2nd.
3) Regardless of score, if J. TIPSAREVIC defeats N. DJOKOVIC and T. BERDYCH defeats D. FERRER, then T. BERDYCH wins the group and D. FERRER qualifies 2nd.

by slashermcguirk Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:37 pm

Thanks Emancipator for clarifying. Quite a confusing system

by **laverfan** Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:38 pm

emancipator wrote:It comes down to H2H.

No, it does not. see my post. Wink

by carrieg4 Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:40 pm

I was driving for most of the match then didn't have a live stream - what happened? What was the match like? A high level or not?

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:42 pm

not really carrie, up and down, Nole looked good in the first but then stuttered while Tipsy grew in confidence after some tough holds at the start of the second. both hit far more UEs than winners.

by carrieg4 Fri 25 Nov 2011, 4:47 pm

Thanks MfC.

by gallery play Fri 25 Nov 2011, 5:01 pm

Unacceptable attitude from Djoko. What's the price of the tickets again?

by Tenez Fri 25 Nov 2011, 5:09 pm

It's a weird display for sure. I bet that shoudl he be forced to play versus Federer, he will give his very best then.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 5:11 pm

Will be watching the evening match, as expected...

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 5:13 pm

gallery play wrote:Unacceptable attitude from Djoko. What's the price of the tickets again?

he played the best he could under the circumstances. No need to bust his match unfit body, win and then turn up semi-dead for the semi tomorrow.
He is not spent after this match and will have a little bit left in the tank for Federer should Ferrer beat Berdy.

by Guest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 5:13 pm

what a complete farse to the end of season finals, quite shocking. If the ATP dont wake up and realise the need for players to rest and remove unwanted events then showcase events like this will unfold like this. Basically you can relate this to football and the world cups at the end of long seasons, where the quality of the tournament is poor in relation to early grand slams or champions league football earlier in the year. Federer's name should be carved into the trophy already.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 5:49 pm

Tenez wrote:It's a weird display for sure. I bet that shoudl he be forced to play versus Federer, he will give his very best then.

I don't think Novak was trying to tank the match. More likely preserve some energy should he have to play tomorrow.

by **laverfan** Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:12 pm

John wrote:what a complete farse to the end of season finals, quite shocking. If the ATP dont wake up and realise the need for players to rest and remove unwanted events then showcase events like this will unfold like this. Basically you can relate this to football and the world cups at the end of long seasons, where the quality of the tournament is poor in relation to early grand slams or champions league football earlier in the year. Federer's name should be carved into the trophy already.

The players have the ability to manage their schedules, outside of the 13 mandatory tournaments (4 slams and 9 Masters). Federer does manage it very well.

If court speeds and attrition Tennis can be addressed by ATP/ITF, it would provide a bit of assistance as well.

Nadal skipped Paris, Djokovic and Federer skipped the Asian swing. They had ample rest. Wink

Pretty sure Nadal will put up a good display against Argentina in DC.

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:15 pm

"
Nadal skipped Paris, Djokovic and Federer skipped the Asian swing. They had ample rest. Wink"

Djokovic didn't skip anything for rest. He was injured. If he hadn't been injured he would've not lost to Ferrer and Tipsarevic in London.

by time please Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:18 pm

Exactly laver - shorten the schedule too dramatically and you will affect the lower ranked players and their livelihood, and therefore the sport will suffer. The Masters series has excellent prize money precisely because they can sell tickets to see the top players - make less mandatory, and that will fall.

Speed up the courts. Fed managed to win three slams a year, three times and the end of year championships in the same years. Furthermore, on two of those years he was in 4 slam finals - nobody was screaming about shortening the season then!

And your last point laver

Just watch Nadal destroy his opponents when his feet hit the clay next week John.

by time please Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:29 pm

Really sad to see Novak out - Fed did say that it was anyone's tournament this week, so the surprises may not be over yet - is it time for Tsonga to step up, or for little Daveeed to be completely heroic?

How can anyone think there is no sport worth watching just because 3 of the top four have bitten the dust?

by **laverfan** Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:31 pm

time please wrote:Really sad to see Novak out

Not yet. Need to wait for the results of Berdych-Ferrer. Wink

by noleisthebest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:32 pm

time please wrote:Really sad to see Novak out - Fed did say that it was anyone's tournament this week, so the surprises may not be over yet - is it time for Tsonga to step up, or for little Daveeed to be completely heroic?

How can anyone think there is no sport worth watching just because 3 of the top four have bitten the dust?

Please delay your sadness....Nole is not out yet.

by Guest Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:33 pm

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by **laverfan** Fri 25 Nov 2011, 6:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:"
Nadal skipped Paris, Djokovic and Federer skipped the Asian swing. They had ample rest. Wink"

Djokovic didn't skip anything for rest. He was injured. If he hadn't been injured he would've not lost to Ferrer and Tipsarevic in London.

Agree NiTB. Djokovic played lights-out in 2011. His body is tired. He needs a break. Let us see what Berdych-Ferrer have to say about that. Wink

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