Will England score another try in this tournament?

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After reading a thread bragging about England scoring tries in the 6 Nations todays England versus Italy game got me wondering, can England score another try in this tournament?

The opposition next week is Wales. Wales have not conceded a try in their last 3 games. In the tournament altogether they have conceded 3 tries (all against Ireland) which is the second best record in 6 Nations history; behind Wales' record of 2 and just ahead of England's record of 4. So far England have scored just 5 tries in the 2013 tournament. Going into todays game the fans claimed they would put a cricket score on Italy.

Yes I think they will, Wales have a solid defense bu I think England will get one try in Cardiff.

I can see England getting at least one, possibly two (or more) tries in Cardiff.

I think Wales might score one as well... but no more!

Linebreaker wrote:I can see England getting at least one, possibly two (or more) tries in Cardiff.

I think Wales might score one as well... but no more!

You must have very large crystal balls

Yes I do.
The House of Lancaster will up the ante and get the team to spend more time practicing elementary ball-handling skills.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

mystiroakey wrote:

Taylorman wrote:Yes but how many have they scored. All round the numbers are pathetic. The poll should have been will ANYONE score a try this tournament, because in this tournament its an endangered spieces.

Taylor sorry about getting your hopes up yo.. No trys for england. I have no idea how we didnt get one over.. but yep its lame..

No worries, I actually enjoyed the game and lots of chances went awry. Perhaps its just that sides have got so good at defending you need those special individuals and combinations that can break a game open. That will be Gatlands dilemma. Which are his main attacking weapons- the loosies and the midfield will decide the series with most else being even (assuming both sides have reasonable 10's/ goalkickers that is).

Votes coming in thick and fast. Are these the same fans who voted for a Scotland win this weekend?

Morgannwg wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:In short no!
Lets remember the one against France was illegal, the Kiwi prop knocked it out of the ruck and the Samoan was in front of him picked it up and scored.

The voice of reason as always view. I knew you would return. It's a shame people have to resort to childish insults when you point out some facts for the purpose of a constructive debate. These people should stay away from the TV and online forums.

Grand. I'll leave the pair of of you to it, seeing as you are both 'the voice of reason'. No one else needs to bother do they.

Sorry, I couldn't be *rsed to read the rest of this.

I'm off to Rolling Maul for some proper rugby discussion.

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:In short no!
Lets remember the one against France was illegal, the Kiwi prop knocked it out of the ruck and the Samoan was in front of him picked it up and scored.

The voice of reason as always view. I knew you would return. It's a shame people have to resort to childish insults when you point out some facts for the purpose of a constructive debate. These people should stay away from the TV and online forums.

Grand. I'll leave the pair of of you to it, seeing as you are both 'the voice of reason'. No one else needs to bother do they.

Sorry, I couldn't be *rsed to read the rest of this.

I'm off to Rolling Maul for some proper rugby discussion.

Poor old mikeyphil. For years Morg/WLG lived up his backside and now he's up views. No loyalty these days...

morgan I would question your intent as not looking to strike up interesting debate but rather get at england fans after a poor performance by their team.

However, I think you are actually well within your rights to point out the fact England have struggled to score tries since the opening game. I think most people will agree england looked good against scotland and the expectation was for them to go on and have a great tournament, it hasnt quite worked out that way.

The ireland and france games were tactical affairs and i think england chose to play a tight game (as did the opposition), correctly in my opinion. But yesterday the intent was definately there to attack and get the ball wide quickly, with some success too as the italian line was breached, but execution and composure were lacking. Also the italians countered very well off turnover ball, this put englands attack under pressure, every time a move broke down the italians punished them, gained territory and eventually forced their way back into the game.

englands biggest asset is still their defence, we know they can score tries but they have some way to go before they are consistent in attack (i dont think the number of personnel changes helped yesterday).

Sorry taylorman if our 6 nations is boring you, im afraid it will be another low scoring affair next week with both sides able to win the tournament risk taking will be low.

Yes, England will score another try in the tournament: Farrell kicks a penalty to the corner, England win their lineout ball (of course, Wales don't challenge the opposition throw) and their driving maul gets over the line.

Guys - report the trolls and then ignore them. the whole thread is a clear windup - don't answer him. He will soon get bored if no one bites

Morgannwg wrote:Taylor, you've totally missed the point of this thread. If you want to slag off the 6 Nations there are other threads for that. One was created by a fellow Kiwi of yours. The facts here are irrefutable. Again I would refer you to the OP and previous commentary but all of that seems lost on you.

..... which is, Taylor, to indulge Morg's obsession to 'slag off' in his phrase, anything English, based on any old irrefutable 'factoid' (relevance not important) on which to hang his 'point'. Poor old Morg would be lost without England as he'd have little to talk about.

Breadvan wrote:

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:In short no!
Lets remember the one against France was illegal, the Kiwi prop knocked it out of the ruck and the Samoan was in front of him picked it up and scored.

The voice of reason as always view. I knew you would return. It's a shame people have to resort to childish insults when you point out some facts for the purpose of a constructive debate. These people should stay away from the TV and online forums.

Grand. I'll leave the pair of of you to it, seeing as you are both 'the voice of reason'. No one else needs to bother do they.

Sorry, I couldn't be *rsed to read the rest of this.

I'm off to Rolling Maul for some proper rugby discussion.

Poor old mikeyphil. For years Morg/WLG lived up his backside and now he's up views. No loyalty these days...

Don't you mean up his own backside? Come on folks, view and morg are one of the same

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:

Breadvan wrote:

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:

viewtothegym wrote:In short no!
Lets remember the one against France was illegal, the Kiwi prop knocked it out of the ruck and the Samoan was in front of him picked it up and scored.

The voice of reason as always view. I knew you would return. It's a shame people have to resort to childish insults when you point out some facts for the purpose of a constructive debate. These people should stay away from the TV and online forums.

Grand. I'll leave the pair of of you to it, seeing as you are both 'the voice of reason'. No one else needs to bother do they.

Sorry, I couldn't be *rsed to read the rest of this.

I'm off to Rolling Maul for some proper rugby discussion.

Poor old mikeyphil. For years Morg/WLG lived up his backside and now he's up views. No loyalty these days...

Don't you mean up his own backside? Come on folks, view and morg are one of the same

Wrong,

I tend to think view tries to be dogmatic and hard - and just comes across as funny. Morg tries to be funny and fails dismally. They are different

Lets hope not eh

TJ wrote:Guys - report the trolls and then ignore them. the whole thread is a clear windup - don't answer him. He will soon get bored if no one bites

You're asking posters to report me on every single thread. Grow up and stop being a baby. People have different opinions to you, which you need to learn to deal with. Also, the admins take action against those abusing the reporting facility. Just to warn you.

Wales this year only play attacking rugby when they are a long way behind e.g., Ireland resulting in scoring three tries in the second half.

England have not scored many tries this yer compared to last year because the opposition have stopped giving interception tries away. As long as Wales don't get charged down or give an interception England will have to rely on penalties. Wales save their best for the last 15 mins of each game implying they are fitter than the teams they have played to date in the 6N. Going by the Italy game it may be a difficult last 15mins for England if the game is close.

England have scored a perfectly average number of tries for this tournament, as 5 is the mean (to 1 sig. fig), the median and the co-mode (along with 4) in terms of tries scored.

England have scored 60 points from penalties, the highest of any team in the Six Nations - and more points than three of the teams have managed in total. Wales, despite only conceding 3 tries, have only the third best defence in the Six Nations. Wales have conceded a large number of points from penalties in the Six Nations with 42 (14 penalties) - Italy have also conceded 42, while Scotland have conceded 45.

Let's say England do not score another try, it wouldn't be surprising to see us score around 15 points with the boot. Wales would then have to score 22 points to win the Championship, and this England team haven't yielded over 20 points in any Six Nations game so far - best overall defence in the Six Nations. Wales would have to score at least 4 times for this to happen - only Scotland have managed this so far against England and their 4 scores only brought 18 points.

With England freely scoring with the boot, shutting Wales out and Wales chasing a Championship in front of a home crowd, holes could appear in the Welsh defence and opportunities that weren't presenting themselves against teams coming to Twickenham and trying to limit the damage could open up for England. So it is then perfectly possible that tries will be scored in the later stages of the game, securing our first Grand Slam victory in Cardiff.

Or that's the plan, at least!

Be sweet to score a few on Saturday. It would shut the f _ up some of the whingers one meets.

Wales have conceded a large number of points from penalties in the Six Nations with 42 (14 penalties)

Well that's not surprising when you have Joubert. That guy hates Wales.

gregor, a loss wouldn't shut up any English whingers now would it. It would likely see you all blaming the ref as per.

Morgannwg wrote:

Wales have conceded a large number of points from penalties in the Six Nations with 42 (14 penalties)

Well that's not surprising when you have Joubert. That guy hates Wales.

gregor, a loss wouldn't shut up any English whingers now would it. It would likely see you all blaming the ref as per.

Read that back to yourself!

Morgannwg wrote:

Wales have conceded a large number of points from penalties in the Six Nations with 42 (14 penalties)

Well that's not surprising when you have Joubert. That guy hates Wales.

gregor, a loss wouldn't shut up any English whingers now would it. It would likely see you all blaming the ref as per.

Hates Wales enough to award them 10 kickable penalties themselves?

Agree with Duty there as well, the juxtaposition of your two comments is amazing.

robbo277 wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:

Wales have conceded a large number of points from penalties in the Six Nations with 42 (14 penalties)

Well that's not surprising when you have Joubert. That guy hates Wales.

gregor, a loss wouldn't shut up any English whingers now would it. It would likely see you all blaming the ref as per.

Hates Wales enough to award them 10 kickable penalties themselves?

Agree with Duty there as well, the juxtaposition of your two comments is amazing.

When we've played against Aus and NZ. Have to admit was evenly poor for both on saturday. Worst refereeing I've seen in years.

Don't be such whingers guys, it's not attractive.

Juxtaposition is a very techinical term.

I would just go for irony.

Irony is a term overused by England fans, particulary Jimpy when he's lost an arguement.

well your comment was a bit ironic dude!

I thought it was accurate. England haven't lost yet, but have blamed the ref for each one of Wales' victories. Just imagine how bad it's gonna get when England lose this saturday!

Gotta be honest mogs. I havent heard that banded about at all

[quote="Morgannwg"]

......Grow up and stop being a baby......


............Well that's not surprising when you have Joubert. That guy hates Wales.

gregor, a loss wouldn't shut up any English whingers now would it. It would likely see you all blaming the ref as per.......


..........Don't be such whingers guys, it's not attractive......

Are you studying for a GCSE in Irony? You'll do very well.

Why do you guys have to insult one another all the time?

You're a baby

No you're a whinger

No you're a wum

Ad infinitum.

It becomes incredibly boring and really doesn't bring anything positive to a discussion.

I post facts. I'm often on the receiving end of insults for doing so. If I referred to someone as a baby then they must have been acting like one . If I refer to myself in third person, it means Morg is crazy .

Yes, but think about it this way, one person starts calling another names, what happens?

It escalates, then it becomes a to and fro of insults which makes the entire thread unpleasant for those who just want to discuss rugby.

It is noticable that when the name calling and insults start that threads are left alone very quickly by those who want to have a constructive debate.

Eventually it is only frequented by those who wants to get the frustration of the day off their chest as they know exactly where to go for a response.

The positive posters are dwindling, I am sure you must have noticed that many of theregualrs simply don't post during the Six Nations, simply because no thread is safe from insults and negative comment.

It just doesn't make sense to me that someone will come on here to entice others with no inclination of keeping it clean.

By the way Morg, this is not directed at you only, but all those who continually disrupt threads.

I don't know where you find the energy to constantly wind people up Morg, it's an extremely sad but also impressive trait.

You remind me of a Wum version of an energiser bunny.

Back to the OP then.
Ashton is overdue a try or two.
Be sweet to see him running off the shoulder of say Croft or Launchbury for a signature 15 metre splashdown. What a treat for all the fans on Saturday to see an AshSplash at the Millie

Well at least you're impressed Pooly.

Ashton scoring a try on saturday? Not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening!

I'd be more impressed if Ashton nailed a tackle tbh

gregortree wrote:Back to the OP then.
Ashton is overdue a try or two.
Be sweet to see him running off the shoulder of say Croft or Launchbury for a signature 15 metre splashdown. What a treat for all the fans on Saturday to see an AshSplash at the Millie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZFz6jM2-bY

Like that one you mean? It's a shame but I can't see Ashton doing it on Saturday.

When England last came to town they managed to dominate position and territory and still lose by ten points. You'll have to a lot better to win on saturday.

I'd discount that game Morg, it was a warm up for WC and not played at full tempo.

We did turn you over in the last fully competitive game at the MS so all isn't lost

Morgannwg wrote:When England last came to town they managed to dominate position and territory and still lose by ten points. You'll have to a lot better to win on saturday.

No worries. Just had a look at that England side in that World-cup warm up game. Banahan, Hape, Cueto, Fourie and Easter all started. Yards of improvement since then.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I'd discount that game Morg, it was a warm up for WC and not played at full tempo.

We did turn you over in the last fully competitive game at the MS so all isn't lost

Once youve responded to Morg in anything other than a polite, concise and honest way you've officially lost. Why let yourself get dragged down to Poopie throwing?

I wasn't digging??? It was an honest post, it was a bit of a write off game.

The 2 6N games with us beating each in own backyards are a much better indication than that game.

I remember it being bloody awful too

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I'd discount that game Morg, it was a warm up for WC and not played at full tempo.

We did turn you over in the last fully competitive game at the MS so all isn't lost

Dearie me, another devalued win then.

Duty281 wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:When England last came to town they managed to dominate position and territory and still lose by ten points. You'll have to a lot better to win on saturday.

No worries. Just had a look at that England side in that World-cup warm up game. Banahan, Hape, Cueto, Fourie and Easter all started. Yards of improvement since then.

Yes that is true. These lot were also involved in the 'last fully competitve game at the MS' that Pooly refers to.

I bet it was you Morg/WLG who first mentioned devalued on here or the old 606??

That game on the weekend was probably just 'one of those days' for England where they were 'brought down to a lower level' by the desperation of Italy - who had nothing to lose and were primed to disrupt the chariot. But it still limped to its destination...
.
We saw what England was capable of against the ABs... plenty of line breaks and fluent back-line play leading to plenty of tries.

Against Italy - there seemed to be a portent that the game would be close. Resting key players, an injury or two, disjointed passing or players crossing lines during the match. Full marks to Italy who exploited the situation and were perhaps teetering on the edge of being offside in rushing up in defence (all teams do a bit of that) and that seemed to rattle England somewhat. You can imagine England sweeping up and down the field in their training sessions... but in that particular game situation - not much came off. It happens from time to time.

So with that in mind; I can see them addressing those minor problems and ensuring they will play better against Wales. They'll be up for it (and so will Wales) but I think they'll at least score once through the forwards and once through the backs.

I don't why I bothered getting into a sensible debate, I should have known better.

Such a douche

Breadvan wrote:I bet it was you Morg/WLG who first mentioned devalued on here or the old 606??

It was never Morg. The English started it since 2005. When we won again in 2008 Moffets Ghost was the response to that. The English give it out but can't take it.

Why don't you stop dragging this off topic, you and bluesman can urine off to another thread if you're going to do that.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I don't why I bothered getting into a sensible debate, I should have known better.

Such a douche

and here we go again.

How difficult is it to comment on a post without being insulting?