Price vs Thompson 2.

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All seems set for July 6th, so a good or bad move for Price?

TheMackemMawler wrote:

victorgarco wrote: Don't mess with Alex he works out 6 times a week and has 10% body fat not to mention he eats protein everyday.

Is he Jody Marsh?

Moving my body fat down to 9% by the way Victor, cutting diet right now

Anywho, I've finished work BYE

Enjoy your night.

AlexHuckerby wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:

victorgarco wrote: Don't mess with Alex he works out 6 times a week and has 10% body fat not to mention he eats protein everyday.

Is he Jody Marsh?

Moving my body fat down to 9% by the way Victor, cutting diet right now

Get it down to 6% then I will be impressed

Mines virtually zero but thats more down to being skinny rather than working out!

Bloomin metrosexuals.

Rowley wrote:If they had a rematch clause in the first fight contract would guess Thompson is legally obliged. Nobody particuarly wanted to see Froch Bute two but Hearn and Froch were quite clear in that if Bute asked for it in the specified period they had to go through with it.

thats because froch is still holding the belt he beat bute for.

i can see no legal obligations that could force thompson to give price a rematch

Lance wrote:

Rowley wrote:If they had a rematch clause in the first fight contract would guess Thompson is legally obliged. Nobody particuarly wanted to see Froch Bute two but Hearn and Froch were quite clear in that if Bute asked for it in the specified period they had to go through with it.

thats because froch is still holding the belt he beat bute for.

i can see no legal obligations that could force thompson to give price a rematch

Basically he'd be contracted to face Price next and wouldn't be able to bypass the fight in favour of fighting somebody else.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

Lance wrote:

Rowley wrote:If they had a rematch clause in the first fight contract would guess Thompson is legally obliged. Nobody particuarly wanted to see Froch Bute two but Hearn and Froch were quite clear in that if Bute asked for it in the specified period they had to go through with it.

thats because froch is still holding the belt he beat bute for.

i can see no legal obligations that could force thompson to give price a rematch

Basically he'd be contracted to face Price next and wouldn't be able to bypass the fight in favour of fighting somebody else.

there is a way out of all contracts... particularly when you havent recieved anything from your previous business partner. froch could lose the belt if he walked away from a contract which gained him the opportunity to recieve the belt in the first place. what can price do thompson for, if thompson turns around and says he doesnt like those working conditions, im doing something else??

If you don't like the conditions then you wouldn't sign in the first place, if such a contract existed then Thompson would have a legal obligation to fight Price again.

i deal with contracts everyday. if thompson wants to change his mind, he certainly wouldnt find it too difficult to get out of it

Go and tell that the numerous boxers who have had major issues when trying to back out of a contract, it isn't as simple as you're making out.

Sports contracts will be slightly different. If there's a rematch clause then it would surely be legally binding.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Go and tell that the numerous boxers who have had major issues when trying to back out of a contract, it isn't as simple as you're making out.

it all depends on what you have to lose. as i say froch has a belt to lose. theres not a lot price can hold over thompson

hampo171 wrote:Sports contracts will be slightly different. If there's a rematch clause then it would surely be legally binding.

very few contracts are legally binding

In sport they tend to be, hence why sportsmen can't just go from team to team as they please.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:In sport they tend to be, hence why sportsmen can't just go from team to team as they please.

dont they? ask frank warren...or any football manager if sportsmen jump ship when they please

Not without a breach of that contract from their employers.

How often do you see footballers just leaving their team for nothing because they want to? And the boxers who have left Frank Warren are usually doing it for breach of contract.

yes breach of contract. its easily done and usually only involves small losses. certainly nothing to do with legality

How often do sportsmen get out of contracts for no reason at all?

spencerclarke wrote:Mines virtually zero but thats more down to being skinny rather than working out!

lol you would be dead if it was virtually 0

hampo171 wrote:Sports contracts will be slightly different. If there's a rematch clause then it would surely be legally binding.

All that could happen is price could sue thompson for breach of contract and the only remedy is money basically. But i don't even think price had a rematch clause with thompson.

Not sure why Price should pursue a rematch............Needs to move on and get in line for a shot instead...........

Might as well lose in a heavy title fight as risk losing in a rematch with this boy........

You lose twice to old man Thompson and it would be hard to take you seriously.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/9958542/David-Price-to-meet-Tony-Thompson-in-Liverpool-rematch.html

The American knocked out Price in the second round of their first fight at the same venue on Feb 23. Secret negotiations between Price's promoter Frank Maloney and the Washington DC southpaw have been going on for two weeks.
The defeat to Thompson was the only setback for British and Commonwealth champion Price in 16 professional battles.
“There was a rematch clause in the original contract, but it was still far from easy to make it happen. Because it was such a big win for Thompson there was a lot of interest in him from rival promoters, but we got there and he has signed," explained Maloney.
“There were other options for David also, but he and his trainer Franny Smith were adamant they wanted Thompson again. There have been a lot of nasty things said about David since the first Thompson bout, but this proves his fighting heart. Not many fighters have begged me to jump straight back in with someone who has beaten them."
“The fans in Liverpool have been magnificent to David over the last 12 months and I am sure they will respond and get behind the fight.”

Sounds like Maloney is happy to see Price in a rematch reading between the lines. Price v Thompson is where the money is.

It's more of a risk for Price than Maloney. Price could see his career go up in flames.

TheMackemMawler wrote:Man didn't land on the Moon. Rothschild's rule the World. We invented Aids to get rid of Africans. American's blew up the twin towers.

While over generalized, pretty much true, minus man being on the moon pre and post Appolo.

Here's mine...

They'll pay Tony Thompson to lose (he'll be retiring shortly anyway) and they'll recoup the money by building Price back up and steering him toward a huge title fight with Fury, or Wilder.... or someone?

Now your just talking conspiracy theories!

TheMackemMawler wrote:That's a brave statement Tunes. We don't know how Price will handle the later rounds against a 'world level' operator. We know how he manages in the first two rounds). And unless you get caught cold in the first then your chin doesn't get better as you get more tired.

True there are boxes Price needs to tick, but I don't think Price's conditioning looks a worry, for his size he looks in great shape and not far off the Ks.. As for his chin I don't think it was really exposed in that fight as he has been hit harder in other fights and did not go down, so it was clearly a freak punch that happens.

The time Price went into the second half of a fight, say against Raman Sukhaterin, his power didn't really follow.

Hmm , that was his 8th fight and he still TKOed him in the 7th so cant have been tickling him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXj2wcH8U40

While his work rate wasn't immense he looked as though his energy levels were ok (and could have gone up a gear). Thompson's a different fighter to Sukhaterin however, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if it goes late.

But Price had only fought 6 rounders prior to this fight and this fight was only a 8 rounder, all boxers need time to work up and take on 12 rounds, its natural. on top of all that the opponent was stopped for the first time in his career.

Thompson will make Price work, even if it's purely through his movement on the outside. I can see Price being more cautious and reverting to a more amateur style, but even that's not a good idea, I think Thompson can out box him. I also think he's vulnerable to the south left over the top of his own jab. Naturally, he has a punches chance against anyone.

Props to him for taking the fight.

Thompson was a step up no doubt, but in the fight he showed no signs of out boxing Price it was just one punch that he through while trying to get out of the way. I think Price may have actualy lost the fight because he was too used to coasting past his opponents and got a bit naive, a defeat might have done him the world of good to remind him its never easy.

I think he was knock him out in the mid late rounds but only because he will be under more pressure not to make any mistakes this time and fight with lots of caution.

tunes666 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Man didn't land on the Moon. Rothschild's rule the World. We invented Aids to get rid of Africans. American's blew up the twin towers.

While over generalized, pretty much true, minus man being on the moon pre and post Appolo.

Here's mine...

They'll pay Tony Thompson to lose (he'll be retiring shortly anyway) and they'll recoup the money by building Price back up and steering him toward a huge title fight with Fury, or Wilder.... or someone?

Now your just talking conspiracy theories!

Huh? That was the point? Say conspiracy theories are stupid and then proceeded to create my own.

tunes666 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:That's a brave statement Tunes. We don't know how Price will handle the later rounds against a 'world level' operator. We know how he manages in the first two rounds). And unless you get caught cold in the first then your chin doesn't get better as you get more tired.

True there are boxes Price needs to tick, but I don't think Price's conditioning looks a worry, for his size he looks in great shape and not far off the Ks.. As for his chin I don't think it was really exposed in that fight as he has been hit harder in other fights and did not go down, so it was clearly a freak punch that happens.

The time Price went into the second half of a fight, say against Raman Sukhaterin, his power didn't really follow.

Hmm , that was his 8th fight and he still TKOed him in the 7th so cant have been tickling him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXj2wcH8U40

While his work rate wasn't immense he looked as though his energy levels were ok (and could have gone up a gear). Thompson's a different fighter to Sukhaterin however, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if it goes late.

But Price had only fought 6 rounders prior to this fight and this fight was only a 8 rounder, all boxers need time to work up and take on 12 rounds, its natural. on top of all that the opponent was stopped for the first time in his career.

Thompson will make Price work, even if it's purely through his movement on the outside. I can see Price being more cautious and reverting to a more amateur style, but even that's not a good idea, I think Thompson can out box him. I also think he's vulnerable to the south left over the top of his own jab. Naturally, he has a punches chance against anyone.

Props to him for taking the fight.

Thompson was a step up no doubt, but in the fight he showed no signs of out boxing Price it was just one punch that he through while trying to get out of the way. I think Price may have actualy lost the fight because he was too used to coasting past his opponents and got a bit naive, a defeat might have done him the world of good to remind him its never easy.

I think he was knock him out in the mid late rounds but only because he will be under more pressure not to make any mistakes this time and fight with lots of caution.

Wow, you really are a Price fan.

To be fair I make tunes spot on. Price thought he was in for another easy night, he relaxed and got sloppy. Once is a lesson but if it happens again then it's poor technique.

Right the wrong, job done.

TheMackemMawler wrote: That's a brave statement Tunes. We don't know how Price will handle the later rounds against a 'world level' operator. We know how he manages in the first two rounds). And unless you get caught cold in the first then your chin doesn't get better as you get more tired.

tunes666 wrote:True there are boxes Price needs to tick, but I don't think Price's conditioning looks a worry, for his size he looks in great shape and not far off the Ks.. As for his chin I don't think it was really exposed in that fight as he has been hit harder in other fights and did not go down, so it was clearly a freak punch that happens.

Never said his conditioning was a worry. I said as you get tired your chin gets weaker. Price was s stopped/knocked down/took a count/wobbled when he got to the later rounds of European/World level amateur tournaments. Even if it was a freak punch, his chin was already 'exposed'.

tunes666 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote: The time Price went into the second half of a fight, say against Raman Sukhaterin, his power didn't really follow.

Hmm , that was his 8th fight and he still TKOed him in the 7th so cant have been tickling him.

I didn't say he was a powder puff puncher? Watch the video, his punches are clearly weaker than the early rounds.

tunes666 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXj2wcH8U40

While his work rate wasn't immense he looked as though his energy levels were ok (and could have gone up a gear). Thompson's a different fighter to Sukhaterin however, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if it goes late.

But Price had only fought 6 rounders prior to this fight and this fight was only a 8 rounder, all boxers need time to work up and take on 12 rounds, its natural. on top of all that the opponent was stopped for the first time in his career.

What? I don't even know what you are getting at? Price still hasn't got rounds under his belt? He's only went 6 rounds (+) twice, and they were both against puddings. How's that going to help him against Thomspon?

tunes666 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Thompson will make Price work, even if it's purely through his movement on the outside. I can see Price being more cautious and reverting to a more amateur style, but even that's not a good idea, I think Thompson can out box him. I also think he's vulnerable to the south left over the top of his own jab. Naturally, he has a punches chance against anyone.

Props to him for taking the fight.

Thompson was a step up no doubt, but in the fight he showed no signs of out boxing Price it was just one punch that he through while trying to get out of the way. I think Price may have actualy lost the fight because he was too used to coasting past his opponents and got a bit naive, a defeat might have done him the world of good to remind him its never easy.

I think he was knock him out in the mid late rounds but only because he will be under more pressure not to make any mistakes this time and fight with lots of caution.

Just as easily I can see Thompson moving around the ring laterally with his back to the ropes, showing patience, covering up well and looking for fight changing southpaw counters (which price is open too).

KingMonkey wrote: Right the wrong, job done.

Billy Hardy should have followed your advice and secured a rematch with Naz.

The nature of the punch that knocked Price out is a considerable concern. Maybe it was some kind of freak equalabrium distorting punch but if he can be knocked out from a blow like that then he is really going to need some serious defensive skills in the future.

TheMackemMawler wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:That's a brave statement Tunes. We don't know how Price will handle the later rounds against a 'world level' operator. We know how he manages in the first two rounds). And unless you get caught cold in the first then your chin doesn't get better as you get more tired.

True there are boxes Price needs to tick, but I don't think Price's conditioning looks a worry, for his size he looks in great shape and not far off the Ks.. As for his chin I don't think it was really exposed in that fight as he has been hit harder in other fights and did not go down, so it was clearly a freak punch that happens.

The time Price went into the second half of a fight, say against Raman Sukhaterin, his power didn't really follow.

Hmm , that was his 8th fight and he still TKOed him in the 7th so cant have been tickling him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXj2wcH8U40

While his work rate wasn't immense he looked as though his energy levels were ok (and could have gone up a gear). Thompson's a different fighter to Sukhaterin however, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if it goes late.

But Price had only fought 6 rounders prior to this fight and this fight was only a 8 rounder, all boxers need time to work up and take on 12 rounds, its natural. on top of all that the opponent was stopped for the first time in his career.

Thompson will make Price work, even if it's purely through his movement on the outside. I can see Price being more cautious and reverting to a more amateur style, but even that's not a good idea, I think Thompson can out box him. I also think he's vulnerable to the south left over the top of his own jab. Naturally, he has a punches chance against anyone.

Props to him for taking the fight.

Thompson was a step up no doubt, but in the fight he showed no signs of out boxing Price it was just one punch that he through while trying to get out of the way. I think Price may have actualy lost the fight because he was too used to coasting past his opponents and got a bit naive, a defeat might have done him the world of good to remind him its never easy.

I think he was knock him out in the mid late rounds but only because he will be under more pressure not to make any mistakes this time and fight with lots of caution.

Wow, you really are a Price fan.

No, not %100 yet convinced but I do not believe his criticism is completely merited, Up until his last fight he had not really put a step wrong and domestically bowled everyone over, and has been going at a reasonable pace. While Thompson is not getting any younger he has challenged the Ks twice and is far from a mug, and It was clearly a lucky punch. I don't think you have to be a big Price fan to address those facts.

Lucky punch? You mean he threw it by accident? Look. Simple facts. Price cannot take a punch from a welterweight.

TheMackemMawler wrote:
What? I don't even know what you are getting at? Price still hasn't got rounds under his belt? He's only went 6 rounds (+) twice, and they were both against puddings. How's that going to help him against Thomspon?

No your right because he has mowed everyone down, but the point is, you train for the kind of rounds you do, and work your way up. EI you would not sign a 12 rounder fight when you have only been doing 4 round fights. you would work your way up.

It was only in the early stages of his pro career where there of course be weaknesses, but a fight he came through, doing 7 rounds for the first time and stopping a guy who had never been stopped before.

He is now training for 12 rounds. Yes he has not stood the test in the ring, Im just saying I have not seen much to cause too much of a worry in that department.

Just as easily I can see Thompson moving around the ring laterally with his back to the ropes, showing patience, covering up well and looking for fight changing southpaw counters (which price is open too).

We shall see. The wonders of boxing

azania wrote:Lucky punch? You mean he threw it by accident? Look. Simple facts. Price cannot take a punch from a welterweight.

Yes a lucky punch. No he meant to throw it. But with your logic every time a boxer throws a punch he has the intent on landing a knock out blow in a small area in the head that completely disorientates his opponent. I think we have discovered that Thompson is the new Bruce Lee!

Also even if you are right that Price cant take a punch, neither can WK!, Lewis was also susceptible to a punch, neither have done too bad.

Generally when a boxer throws a punch towards the head, the intent is for the punch to land on the head. The ko is a bonus. You can't fault Thompson for price being less than durable.

Wlad and Lewis are elite and skilled pugilists. Price is not in their league. I'd pick hopkins to turn him over.

Whilst I agree with the Wlad/Lewis assessment...

Hoppo beating him is a a bit optimistic.......

I'm the eternal optimist.

azania wrote:Lucky punch? You mean he threw it by accident? Look. Simple facts. Price cannot take a punch from a welterweight.

I dont think the punch that stopped Price can be dismissed as just lucky. Theres an even greater chance that Price just isnt durable. If it were a once off then I might be more likely to think it just landed in some kind of sweet spot but we are talking about a guy who was reasonably fragile as an amateur and who now seems to have been knocked out by the first real punch landed on him by a heavyweight that is not domemstic level. I couldnt see Wlad or Lewis being knocked out by the shot Thompson landed unless they were completely exhausted or something.

I think it's a naive move to take the fight now. Lose and Price will be finished. They should match him softly for his next fight, then stick him in with someone decent, with Thompson down the line. Course, some would argue that he was matched quite favourably against Thompson.

He'll be finished in terms of legacy.....As to do with the career aspect ...well the Heavyweights are so green they recycle their top contenders regularly so I'm sure he'll resurface..and get a shot

Get your point though and agree It doesn't make sense.

I dont think a boxer has to be %100 steel chinned to be a success. Maybe Price has some weaknesses but a good boxer learns to deal with them and protect them like WK.

Yes boxers throw punches in the hope of landing but you have degrees of punches where they will throw a knock out blow, a jab, a punch to prevent the other guy from throwing one, a punch to keep a boxer occupied while you move on your feet...and so forth..

I am saying his punch was not thrown to be a knock out blow but was thrown as a counter while on the move and there for the result of it was a lucky punch.

Luck exists in every sport. You only needed to look at how passionate Thompson looked when he won to see even he did not expect it.

i think if price really beleives it was just a lucky punch and still beleives he can emulate lewis then its a good move to go for the rematch, for a few reasons, a) he will be earn cudos from the other HWs for avenging a loss. b) fury or haye or somebody will take him out if price doesnt take the fight now. c) thompson was set to retire after this fight until the upset so he may not have long to do so.

however i dont like the term lucky punch, 6 weeks training to knockout a certain person, its not like he accidentally fell forwards and price walked onto a punch. thompson probably spends hours practicing that punch and his timing of it.

i can't believe im saying this but price needs to become even more boring, even if it means losing rounds, and wait for the perfect moment to fire, he cannot risk charging in if those kind of punches are guna affect him that badly. i watched it again earlier and the jab was nowhere to be seen either.