England VS Scotland Discussion

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Quite looking forward to this game, anyone know what sort of attendance is expected? I reckon could be closer than people think. A few of my English mates reckon 4-0 or 5-0 wins but just don't think that'll happen tbh, hopefully I'm not wrong! Wish game culd have been at Hampden so there would have been cracking atmosphere but I'm hoping Wembley surprises me although I'm not expecting it. I hope to see Bridcutt play, not seen too much of him but impressed by limited amount I've seen. And I hope Rooney plays too.

That's how we roll

Lovely play by Ross Barkley, wins the ball in midfield, drives and finishes nicely.

This could get ugly

5-0 Jonjo Shelvey 25 yard curler, lovely goal

Now I know that our defense is entirely new, there are plenty out of position etc but I only expected to concede 4 goals!

6-0, great work by Redmond and Tom Carroll slots home nicely

Well screw loyalty, this game is going off now, 10-0 wouldn't be too bad now. Until tomorrow guys

6-0? I only popped out for a few minutes!

Can Roy Hodgson stay as U21 manager, please?

Who wants a game of dominoes

Yeah throw Hodgson out of the first team and keep him at Under 21 level. Bring in a better manager for first team.

NickisBHAFC wrote:Yeah throw Hodgson out of the first team and keep him at Under 21 level. Bring in a better manager for first team.

Who would you suggest?

Roy's doing a fine job at the moment with the limited talent pool we currently have, certainly can't think of anybody available who could do a better job

Do you still want crafty 'Arry?

Crimey wrote:Good to see a strong Liverpool presence there.

That's because the best U21's play in the seniors.

NickisBHAFC wrote:Yeah throw Hodgson out of the first team and keep him at Under 21 level. Bring in a better manager for first team.

   

Roy Hodgson is the best man to manage England, no one understands them better, and his tactics are spot on.

We've got a brilliant record under Hodgson. It's not his fault other countries have better players.

CFCNick wrote:We've got a brilliant record under Hodgson. It's not his fault other countries have better players.

Technical-ability wise, we are behind a few countries.

But when it comes to tactics, organisation, defence, and shape, there is no team better than England. And that's why England are so difficult to beat. Only lost 2 competitive games in 5 and a half years, I think?

And that's why England can win the world cup next year.

Would love a bit of what Duty smokes......blind patriotism at it's finest.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Would love a bit of what Duty smokes......blind patriotism at it's finest.

Only lost 2 competitive games in 5 and a half years.

I can't see us losing a game in Brazil next year. We'll probably have to win a penalty shoot-out though, if we want to go all the way, because we're bound to draw a quarter-final or semi-final.

The only team to possibly worry England are the Germans.

The sideways pass master has pulled out of the squad. What shall we do without the world class talents of Sir Michael Carrick... 

ONLY the Germans??!

Brazil?
Spain?
Italy?
France?

Even the bloody Argies??

Even Belgium are better on a H2H basis.

Seriously, do you sleep in a Union Jack duvet set at night and pleasure yourself to images of the Battle of Britain and George slaying the dragon??!

Olly wrote:The sideways pass master has pulled out of the squad. What shall we do without the world class talents of Sir Michael Carrick... 

Possibly the best English midfielder for the past two seasons?? Yeh, he's rubbish alright

Been playing better than, and influencing games more than, Gerrard and only Lampards goals put him ahead of MC. Who else is better, exactly??

Duty281 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Would love a bit of what Duty smokes......blind patriotism at it's finest.

Only lost 2 competitive games in 5 and a half years.

I can't see us losing a game in Brazil next year. We'll probably have to win a penalty shoot-out though, if we want to go all the way, because we're bound to draw a quarter-final or semi-final.

The only team to possibly worry England are the Germans.

Last season we drew against the following: Ukraine, Poland, Montenegro and ROI. World beaters my arris.

Name me one time he's played well for England Tophat. Don't care about his Utd form. He's been cracking there. Not seen him replicate that in an England shirt.

And I'd say the same for Lampard.

Again, I'd ask you to name a better option?

No English player replicates their club form for their country. End of.

Joe Hart?
Cashley?

About the only two I can think of.

TopHat24/7 wrote:ONLY the Germans??!

Brazil?
Spain?
Italy?
France?

Even the bloody Argies??

Even Belgium are better on a H2H basis.

Seriously, do you sleep in a Union Jack duvet set at night and pleasure yourself to images of the Battle of Britain and George slaying the dragon??!

Brazil - Not really a threat, they'll succumb to the pressure.
Spain - Just made for England to play them and beat them.
Italy and France - If they can't beat an injury-wrecked England at Euro 2012, what hope do they have?
Argentina - Too reliant on Messi. Might work in '86 but not in 2014.
Belgium - England are just better.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Would love a bit of what Duty smokes......blind patriotism at it's finest.

Only lost 2 competitive games in 5 and a half years.

I can't see us losing a game in Brazil next year. We'll probably have to win a penalty shoot-out though, if we want to go all the way, because we're bound to draw a quarter-final or semi-final.

The only team to possibly worry England are the Germans.

Last season we drew against the following: Ukraine, Poland, Montenegro and ROI.  World beaters my arris.

Ukraine - The referee mugged us. Defoe's goal was chalked off for what?
Poland - The waterlogged pitch scuppered England too much.
Montenegro - Roy was a bit negative, and happy with a point.
ROI - Was a pointless end of season friendly.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Olly wrote:The sideways pass master has pulled out of the squad. What shall we do without the world class talents of Sir Michael Carrick... 

Possibly the best English midfielder for the past two seasons?? Yeh, he's rubbish alright

Been playing better than, and influencing games more than, Gerrard and only Lampards goals put him ahead of MC.  Who else is better, exactly??

Carrick is awful for England. Just awful. I'd prefer Parker any day.

TopHat24/7 wrote:And I'd say the same for Lampard.

Again, I'd ask you to name a better option?

Can't compare Lampard/Carrick they're different players.

There probably isn't a better option than Carrick at his position. But his competition isn't exactly great. I mean Huddlestone, Parker, Rodwell, Barry?! Not exactly a great talent pool to pick from (Rodwell would be good if he could stay fit)

Still doesn't mask that he's been pants for England. I'd rather look towards putting a youngster in there post 2014 anyways

Duty281 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:ONLY the Germans??!

Brazil?
Spain?
Italy?
France?

Even the bloody Argies??

Even Belgium are better on a H2H basis.

Seriously, do you sleep in a Union Jack duvet set at night and pleasure yourself to images of the Battle of Britain and George slaying the dragon??!

Brazil - Not really a threat, they'll succumb to the pressure.
Spain - Just made for England to play them and beat them.
Italy and France - If they can't beat an injury-wrecked England at Euro 2012, what hope do they have?
Argentina - Too reliant on Messi. Might work in '86 but not in 2014.
Belgium - England are just better.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Would love a bit of what Duty smokes......blind patriotism at it's finest.

Only lost 2 competitive games in 5 and a half years.

I can't see us losing a game in Brazil next year. We'll probably have to win a penalty shoot-out though, if we want to go all the way, because we're bound to draw a quarter-final or semi-final.

The only team to possibly worry England are the Germans.

Last season we drew against the following: Ukraine, Poland, Montenegro and ROI.  World beaters my arris.

Ukraine - The referee mugged us. Defoe's goal was chalked off for what?
Poland - The waterlogged pitch scuppered England too much.
Montenegro - Roy was a bit negative, and happy with a point.
ROI - Was a pointless end of season friendly.

Thanks for proving my point re blind patriotism.

Your delusion clearly knows no bounds.

Duty281 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Olly wrote:The sideways pass master has pulled out of the squad. What shall we do without the world class talents of Sir Michael Carrick... 

Possibly the best English midfielder for the past two seasons?? Yeh, he's rubbish alright

Been playing better than, and influencing games more than, Gerrard and only Lampards goals put him ahead of MC.  Who else is better, exactly??

Carrick is awful for England. Just awful. I'd prefer Parker any day.

And if you hadn't undermined yourself sufficiently already.......hatchet job complete!

Olly wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:And I'd say the same for Lampard.

Again, I'd ask you to name a better option?

Can't compare Lampard/Carrick they're different players.

There probably isn't a better option than Carrick at his position. But his competition isn't exactly great. I mean Huddlestone, Parker, Rodwell, Barry?! Not exactly a great talent pool to pick from (Rodwell would be good if he could stay fit)

Still doesn't mask that he's been pants for England. I'd rather look towards putting a youngster in there post 2014 anyways

Different players yes, but equally strong arguments to say they haven't replicated club form for country.

Agree the talent pool is dross. Wasn't making Carrick out to be Maradonna, was saying he's the best we've got in that position and your derision was a little unjustified.

The fact Barry has picked ahead of Carrick for so long was an absolute tragedy.

Oh TopHat, I can't wait for next July just to say I told you so.

Spoiler:

seriously, how does this guy appear to run this england international forum. id' prefer parker over carrick anyday.....haha. i guess you think cleverley is the next zidane aswell. people like this are the reason i'm actually am not interested that much in england nowadays. under negative roy, it's just painful to watch. our results have been embarrassing. to fail to beat montenegro on multiple occassions, poland, ireland and more is just woeful. we dont have the players, simple as. they dont perform like they do for their club because there playing in different teams, have no understanding of each other's games, tactically held back and made to look superior than what they are by the influx of foreigners who they play with. pretty much sums it up. expect we'll beat scots tonight but it have no impact whatsoever on how we will turn out in the qualifiers......completely pointless.

John wrote:seriously, how does this guy appear to run this england international forum. id' prefer parker over carrick anyday.....haha. i guess you think cleverley is the next zidane aswell. people like this are the reason i'm actually am not interested that much in england nowadays. under negative roy, it's just painful to watch. our results have been embarrassing. to fail to beat montenegro on multiple occassions, poland, ireland and more is just woeful. we dont have the players, simple as. they dont perform like they do for their club because there playing in different teams, have no understanding of each other's games, tactically held back and made to look superior than what they are by the influx of foreigners who they play with. pretty much sums it up. expect we'll beat scots tonight but it have no impact whatsoever on how we will turn out in the qualifiers......completely pointless.

That's the spirit John boy.  

If I recall correctly, you thought England would beat Italy in the quarter-final last year didn't you? What's changed?

That young lad Westwood at Villa I see as someone who can replace Carrick post 2014. Good young player

We have 'good young players' coming through. I'd back the lad you've already mentioned - Rodwell - if he hadn't thrown his career down the pan chasing the cash at Citeh.

But none are ready, or better, now.

Duty281 wrote:Oh TopHat, I can't wait for next July just to say I told you so.

Spoiler:

If I thought you had anything worth betting on I'd make a wager with you.......

Are you one of those people that paints their house like a St George Cross and hangs a flag out their window??

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Oh TopHat, I can't wait for next July just to say I told you so.

Spoiler:

If I thought you had anything worth betting on I'd make a wager with you.......

Are you one of those people that paints their house like a St George Cross and hangs a flag out their window??

Ah sorry to disappoint you there, but I'm not one of those people. But I do awfully love my country, you know.

As a depressed Scotland fan I can confirm that England will have zero chance at the next world cup and are not among the top five or six best teams. Whilst England are made fun of everywhere else for their optimism (I will never be in England during major tournament again, it was hilarious), I do actually think you are on the up but nowhere near the best

England are massively underrated right now.

Possibly to make up for the way we were embarrassingly overrated in 2006 and 2010, when we didn't have a chance but the media seemed to think we did.

You can't appreciate the quality of the team we had in 2006. You were only nine.

Ashley Cole, JT, Rio, Lampard, Joe Cole and Gerrard all in their prime, Rooney would have been great but got injured in an accident with Paolo Ferreira. Beckham still had it. The subs bench wasn't so inspiring (17 year old Theo, 19 year old Lennon, and 21 year old Downing, also had Jenas) but the team we had from 2003 to 2007 was fantastic.

Without a dodgy ref in Euro 2004 we would have won it. Fully fit Rooney in 2006? Who knows? We had the chance to be what Spain are now and all of those players are old/didn't fulfil their potential. It'll probably be another 3 years until the current crop reach that quality.

Or was I just a naïve teenager like you are???

CFCNick wrote:You can't appreciate the quality of the team we had in 2006. You were only nine.

Duty281 wrote:England are massively underrated right now.

Possibly to make up for the way we were embarrassingly overrated in 2006 and 2010, when we didn't have a chance but the media seemed to think we did.

But do the media and England fans not always think Englland has a chance, thats's why they are made fun of so often

Lots of Scotland fans travelling down south for game as expected. Will show once again why they are best fans in U.K, and biggest drinkers arguably too. Though ROI may have something to say about that

One Scotland fan on SSN was asked who he thinks will win. He said "We play football. And football always wins."

Don't think he watches too many Arsenal games.

Or Scotland ones.....

To be fair, he was probably mwi. In fact you guys probably won't know what mwi means but I'm sort of interested to know now since it is a common abbreviation here

thing is, no Scotland fans expect to win. The only thing we have better than England football wise is fans, and that's their battle to win. Football comes second of course as we aren't very good

here we here we here we fuc$in go

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