Is Mayweather the greatest ever... really that farfetched ???

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Look at the top 10 list...............

Robinson - drew with Brimm at 27...Basora.....24...........Lost to the ordinary Lamotta....and was outboxed by the crouching Turpin twice..only a desperate rally saved him from a cut stoppage and a second owning!!.......The ring even carries an article in 1952 of him avoiding a rubber match with Turpin !!! with evidence to back it up.........all this before the age of 30 !!!..

When he was Mayweather's age he was being beaten twice by Pender and losing to Gene Fullmer...Forget Maxim..

This is not to knock the great Man....only to point out that these guys weren't always great.........By the way these losses don't harm Robinson....It's only Oscar who's losses count against him!!

Don't see anyone on Robbo's welter record Mayweather wouldn't beat..and Floyd was a 130er..........

Robinson perhaps fought slightly more p4pers than Floyd and won undisputed titles but the fact remains he was human.........and he could be beat!!........He also avoided Turpin..

But hey Robbo is a worthy choice..no doubts!!

Look at Ali - By the age of 29 he'd been beaten by Frazier...and lost to Norton at least twice in most peoples opinion.........(ALi is my number 1) At Floyd's age he was losing to an amateur in Leon Spinks..........

Not many p4pers in Ali's list...........Frazier, Foreman..maybe Liston......

Think Floyd's record matches up pretty well with Leonard's.............Losing to the lightweight Duran.........in his prime is a black mark for Ray in my opinion..........

Fact is how many fighters reign supreme at 36 years of age like Floyd and how many have been at the top of their sport for 15 years ????

Louis ten year reign is enough for top 10 status for him.........A laughable place that Floyd can't achieve in most eyes..

Fact is Mayweather isn't likable and it counts against him but more careful analysis shows that he does have a claim to be the best...However the older fighters like Robbo get... the more people forget the bad things they did and the poor performances.....

I'd pick Mayweather to beat Robbo and Leonard............Hearns would be my main concern.....

Not enough credit is given to Floyd being the best at 36 an unheard of age for number 1 p4p status...

For me Mayweather being the greatest ever isn't that farfetched...there is a case to be made....

TopHat24/7 wrote:My god, think we've actually found someone that blows more smoke up Floyd than Truss!!

Don't like Floyd but unlike others I can separate the Man from the fighter..

Floyd 'the man' plays little or no role in how I rank him.

I've seen your rankings..........

You haven't, actually.

To embarrassed to ante up......huh.

Never mind every site needs a clown and I found you amusing!! 

which is a good start

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:YDKSAB used to be one of Scottrf's favourite sayings.  I was on the receiving end of it myself numerous time.

Just saying.

Get a grip, good saying but does that post sound anything like me?

Rankings are individual, personally I wouldn't have Floyd top (I don't like to rank active fighters really anyway), but it's not the most ridiculous I've heard. I like to judge it on top wins first, and I don't think he would quite be up there on that criteria. He doesn't have many that can compete with the consistency of his record though. Floyd's off night is being caught with a punch these days.

Scottrff wrote:

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:YDKSAB used to be one of Scottrf's favourite sayings.  I was on the receiving end of it myself numerous time.

Just saying.

Get a grip, good saying but does that post sound anything like me?

No, it doesn't, but surely that would be the point of an alias....

Anyway, welcome back princess.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:To embarrassed to ante up......huh.

Never mind every site needs a clown and I found you amusing!! 

which is a good start

Have never needed to. Consider Floyd 10-12 at the moment, when he beats Canelo he'll be 8-10. Never fighting Pac will forever hurt his credibility, as will, sadly, the Canelo catchweight as I don't think those 2lbs will actually make any difference.

Scott returns just as Strictly is back on TV tina, coincidence? I'll leave it to you to decide.

10-12 means nothing when I don't know who is above him........

Trinidad perhaps ?? 

Scotty the old one line sarcastic wizard...........

Thought I'd seen him off with my cutting beefster wit........

Was Windy that saw me off old boy.

Rowley wrote:Scott returns just as Strictly is back on TV tina, coincidence? I'll leave it to you to decide.

 

I hadn't actually considered that but now you bring it up.

He never watched it, you know.

Scottrff wrote:Was Windy that saw me off old boy.

Explain Scotty ??

Scottrff wrote:Was Windy that saw me off old boy.

Good to see you back. Steeltown's on here as well. Even Shenglong reappeared a few weeks ago,

But where is Winchester?

mobilemaster8 wrote:But where is Winchester?

As I said on a different subject earlier, might not want to hold your breath on that one.

Ahhhh i didn't see said subject Rowley. Please enlighten me with details or PM me!

On another note, is anyone from Stafford region looking for a bathroom or some tiles?

mobilemaster8 wrote:Ahhhh i didn't see said subject Rowley. Please enlighten me with details or PM me!

On another note, is anyone from Stafford region looking for a bathroom or some tiles?

You don't miss him do you.........

I miss his rambles and love for Tyson Fury along with hatred for Wlad.

Anyone who agrees with me as much as you..

Can miss whoever they like... 

Got any American blood in the family ??

Haha! No American blood, just Irish and English. Although i was born in Germany and lived there for 18 years. So i could technically be 1/3 German, Irish and English.....what a combination.

Been around haven't you........

Speak German huh ??.........There'd be more on here doing that If it wasn't for guys like me!! 

(Been trying to get that one in for a while) rolled like a drunk coming soon..

HAHA nice historical lesson there Truss.

Yeh i speak German, although losing my touch as ive not spoken it in YEARS! can still pull Helga at the Oyster though

mobilemaster8 wrote:Haha! No American blood, just Irish and English. Although i was born in Germany and lived there for 18 years. So i could technically be 1/3 German, Irish and English.....what a combination.

Bit awkward, 2/3 of you hate the other third......

TopHat24/7 wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:Haha! No American blood, just Irish and English. Although i was born in Germany and lived there for 18 years. So i could technically be 1/3 German, Irish and English.....what a combination.

Bit awkward, 2/3 of you hate the other third......

I didnt think Germans hated the English? Look down on then maybe but not hate

Lol there's sufficient animosity there I think, though they're more mature about it than your lot or the Scots.

Haha Top Hat. Its hard when im by myself. Constantly shouting

But seriously, from experience, English people still live in the 1940's when we mention the "Germans". Its nothing but "errrr dirty Germans, we won the war" or "i hate them and there German and that's the reason".......

Germans on the other hand, laugh at these pathetic view points, but have a VERY dry sense of humour, are very strict and also slightly arrogant.

Oh, and Germans call English people Island Monkeys and Cliff Pissers.

Funny.

Everyone hates the English..............They owned everybody for centuries until they got their butts kicked......

They've been getting them kicked ever since... 

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol there's sufficient animosity there I think, though they're more mature about it than your lot or the Scots.

Yeah we got some real clowns I cant deny it

That being said me and the small number of Welshies got some stick in Somerset

Most of it was good banter apart from one guy moaning cause me and another guy were speaking Welsh at one point. So naturally we just carried on speaking it then to wind the fool up even more

Steffan wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol there's sufficient animosity there I think, though they're more mature about it than your lot or the Scots.

Yeah we got some real clowns I cant deny it

That being said me and the small number of Welshies got some stick in Somerset

Most of it was good banter apart from one guy moaning cause me and another guy were speaking Welsh at one point. So naturally we just carried on speaking it then to wind the fool up even more

Glad to see you didn't let the English walk all over you Steff.........

Still bit of a break from tradition...hey ??

I have a few welsh mate Steffan, but they got me into a heated debate the other week because they said that Bale is the 3rd best footballer on earth. As in, ahead of Iniesta, Xavi, Ozil, Van Persie etc etc. Do you agree with this notion?

Well, he's the most expensive ever.
 
Not as good as Iniesta, but a mile ahead of Ozil. It's hardly a ridiculous claim. Bale is better than the current Xavi too.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Haha Top Hat. Its hard when im by myself. Constantly shouting

But seriously, from experience, English people still live in the 1940's when we mention the "Germans". Its nothing but "errrr dirty Germans, we won the war" or "i hate them and there German and that's the reason".......

Germans on the other hand, laugh at these pathetic view points, but have a VERY dry sense of humour, are very strict and also slightly arrogant.

Oh, and Germans call English people Island Monkeys and Cliff Pissers.

Funny.

Yeh, I've got a couple of German mates and it does bear funny resemblance to the English relationship with the Scots/Welsh. I.e. 'We' seem to have a tacit hatred for the Germans but they couldn't really give a monkeys about us, in the same way the Jocks and Welsh seem to hold a great animosity for 'Us' but we couldn't really care less about them.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Everyone hates the English..............They owned everybody for centuries until they got their butts kicked......

They've been getting them kicked ever since... 

And now the same is happening to the US, albeit at a slower pace as things aren't as abrupt in this day and age.

How is he ahead of Ozil?

Look at the stats, Bale scored 25 goals last season, which is more then his previous TWO season COMBINED. He also set up 10 as opposed to Ozils 29.

Does one season of playing great football turn you out better than consistently performing players??

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Everyone hates the English..............They owned everybody for centuries until they got their butts kicked......

They've been getting them kicked ever since... 

And now the same is happening to the US, albeit at a slower pace as things aren't as abrupt in this day and age.

Can't see us losing to India though.........

Well put Top Hat!

mobilemaster8 wrote:I have a few welsh mate Steffan, but they got me into a heated debate the other week because they said that Bale is the 3rd best footballer on earth. As in, ahead of Iniesta, Xavi, Ozil, Van Persie etc etc. Do you agree with this notion?

Nah not really. I think given a season or two he will be up there but not yet

Im thinking of a short city break away in January so Madrid could be on the list if I can get tickets

Ozil plays for Real Madrid. Bale was far more important to his club, and single handedly carries his country.

Scottrff wrote:Well, he's the most expensive ever.
 
Not as good as Iniesta, but a mile ahead of Ozil. It's hardly a ridiculous claim. Bale is better than the current Xavi too.

Not sure I'd even have him top10 to be honest. He needs consistency first, he's just have ever increasing in length purple patches so far. Has never done 'it' for whole or successive seasons.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Scottrff wrote:Well, he's the most expensive ever.
 
Not as good as Iniesta, but a mile ahead of Ozil. It's hardly a ridiculous claim. Bale is better than the current Xavi too.

Not sure I'd even have him top10 to be honest.  He needs consistency first, he's just have ever increasing in length purple patches so far.  Has never done 'it' for whole or successive seasons.

He's done 'it' for 18 months at least.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Everyone hates the English..............They owned everybody for centuries until they got their butts kicked......

They've been getting them kicked ever since... 

And now the same is happening to the US, albeit at a slower pace as things aren't as abrupt in this day and age.

Can't see us losing to India though.........

No, China first. Then India. The biggest wars are economic these days and the internet is the battlefield.

So did Giggs but he was never a top 3 world player.

Basically on that notion, of Raheem Sterling scores 25 goals next year, he will be 3rd best om the planet. Eh?

Scottrff wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Scottrff wrote:Well, he's the most expensive ever.
 
Not as good as Iniesta, but a mile ahead of Ozil. It's hardly a ridiculous claim. Bale is better than the current Xavi too.

Not sure I'd even have him top10 to be honest.  He needs consistency first, he's just have ever increasing in length purple patches so far.  Has never done 'it' for whole or successive seasons.

He's done 'it' for 18 months at least.

Not 18 months in a row he hasn't. He looked excellent for 6 months out of 9 last season which was his best yet. He's never done it over an entire season or continuous seasons. Season before he had about a 4 month period, same the season before that. He had about 2-3 months when Spurs were last in the CL.

I agree he needs consistency, but I thought we were talking about current form, not careers...

It's not just about scoring goals either, you only have to see him play to know that.

I go through the painstaking procedure of writing an in-depth article on Floyd for people to discuss Gareth Bale on it !!!!!!!


Good.......Because I think he is a great player who will win Real the champions league twinned with Ronaldo.........

18 months as opposed to 3 years (ozils case) makes him that much better? What?

Ozil has set up more goals then anyone in football since 2010. Comparing the statistics proves just how much better he is.

if bale has 2 more season like last season, then he can rightly stake his claim as a top ten player, at the moment he is behind a fair few consistent performers with equally good stats.

Bold claim Truss, but with Ronaldo, Ramos, Benzema etc all venting their anger at the sale of Ozil may prove just how important HE was as opposed to Bales arrival in Spain.

Current form is exactly that, current. As in transient. A temporary situation.

Ronaldo was bought for £80m because he'd had 2-3 full seasons as one of Europe's best players testing himself against the best. Bale (due to Spurs never making CL) hasn't been playing the best and had only looked sensational for sections of a season at a time.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Bold claim Truss, but with Ronaldo, Ramos, Benzema etc all venting their anger at the sale of Ozil may prove just how important HE was as opposed to Bales arrival in Spain.

Fabregas was saying they've sold their second best player.