England 15 for Argentina

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I'd go for a few changes rather than wholesale! Gone are the days of the Argentinians being a easy game!

1. Vunipola
2. Hartkey
3. Cole
4. Lawes
5. Attwood
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Vunipola
9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Yarde
12. Twelvetrees
13. Burrell
14. Wade
15. Brown

LOL! Ashton. Had to be didn't it?

Ashton try...that's his shirt safe for next week ha ha

Not sure how to rate this half.

On one hand it looks like the best half we have played for 10 years, on the other I am really not sure if Argentina are any good..

forwards looking very very fluent and powerful. great club team combos coming together for the england side.

Oh great Ashton has scored. Now Beshocked will be telling us how amazing he is again.

Might be what Ashton needs

i think ashton didnt ground it....LOL

Misty...yes just how good is.this Argentina side? Not sure...but still, we're going at them and playing with a bit of style and.pace...

quinsforever wrote:i think ashton didnt ground it....LOL

I.noticed that.. What was he doing!!??
Ge will be listing foul play again

Arg are in a bad way right now. Winless in the RC again, coach quits his post and they lose a couple of their top players. England are playing very well though.

...Brown's halo slips...

I thought Ashton had messed that up, even in realtime!

Good first half

Are we just going to say that all the opposition we play well against and beat are rubbish forever? Australia were meant to be on the up until we beat them, which automatically made them rubbish. Argentina were a challenge until we started beating them, and now we say they are rubbish...

EnglishReign wrote:I thought Ashton had messed that up, even in realtime!

So did i. I thought that Ashton had slid in to touch before he put the ball down.

Yeah. Argentinians being in a mess off field can't be helping much especially when it seems England are genuinely playing well. The combination can blow sides apart.

Hope we don't see any substitutions too early in the second half.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

quinsforever wrote:i think ashton didnt ground it....LOL

I.noticed that.. What was he doing!!??
Ge will be listing foul play again

that, and the leguisamon "just enough" obstruction. LOL

Just think how much we will batter New Zealand by with wade and yarde in the side.

Yeah Hartley looking motivated and fired up. Good display by England so far. Need another 40 now...

Good half for England, Argie hardly offering anything in this half, very flat indeed. Looks like theyre going to walk it. Ashtons finishing isnt the tidiest somehow blowing a certainty and looking like he grounded too late in the other, his legs looked out first...it was at least worth looking at.

Other than that solid start for England, Mike Brown 36 and Hartley looking good.

majesticimperialman wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:I thought Ashton had messed that up, even in realtime!

So did i. I thought that Ashton had slid in to touch before he put the ball down.

he seems to have seriously lost his mojo. he's such a confidence player that maybe this will be much needed for him, and will give us real options at 14.

They must be rubbish though to stay winless in the RC. I think they could well be winless on this autumn tour... Their defence looks very unorganised to me.

England are playing well, they're playing exactly how saint said they should play and evidently it's paying off. They have much better ball carriers than previous years and these guys are very effective at gaining ground. England should score more tries in this 2nd half, Arg should at least get one from a scrum or maul.

Taylorman wrote:Good half for England, Argie hardly offering anything in this half, very flat indeed. Looks like theyre going to walk it. Ashtons finishing isnt the tidiest somehow blowing a certainty and looking like he grounded too late in the other, his legs looked out first...it was at least worth looking at.

Other than that solid start for England, Mike Brown 36 and Hartley looking good.

dont forget dickson. england have never had such quick ball in my recollection.

will be slower next week with mccaw infringeing all day long  

quinsforever wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

quinsforever wrote:i think ashton didnt ground it....LOL

I.noticed that.. What was he doing!!??
Ge will be listing foul play again

that, and the leguisamon "just enough" obstruction. LOL

Don't think he did ground it in all honesty. Ashton does not look relaxed - a little desperate in all honesty.

The Saint wrote:They must be rubbish though to stay winless in the RC. I think they could well be winless on this autumn tour... Their defence looks very unorganised to me.

England are playing well, they're playing exactly how saint said they should play and evidently it's paying off. They have much better ball carriers than previous years and these guys are very effective at gaining ground. England should score more tries in this 2nd half, Arg should at least get one from a scrum or maul.

second half i think eng are going to start dominating in the scrum too so wouldnt be too sure about an Arg score. conditioning and desire.

Quins, that isn't all down yo Dickson though. Our forwards are way on top

Chuckle. New Zealand will be an altogether different proposition. No matter how good the win here it means nothing against them. We're still huge underdogs, especially since the ABs have GOT to want to rub our noses in it after last year, when I strongly suspect some bug did affect them. But you never know.

Enjoying it so far! 36 doing well - forwards are looking impressive and Dickson is giving the quick service he was picked for.

agree nathan. forwards are playing great. but the ball is being played lightning quick by everyone, especially dickson. he has clearly been told to try this.

i think its awesome that we have real competition for key places 2,9,12. the pressure is producing performances.

Quins +1

Looked too easy for England that half. Debate will
Obviously not rage about Ashton's try, but I'm beyond expecting anything different. England persisting with anything at the breakdown and it is working for them. Interesting to see how Joubert views it next week. Breaking the gain line with ease and plenty of support at all times. Very impressive but just difficult to call how much resistance Argentina are putting up. They look shambolic on attack - no options, no plan. Playing as individuals.

Interesting to see a Scottish try disallowed for obstruction. Clearly they don't have a fortress to play in. SRU should look into buying one perhaps.

How do the Argentinians turn it round from here? Genuinely asking. What would you do in their boots to change the game?

As so often on first viewing I'm not sure what to make of much of the game but in short I'd say the forwards are going great and the backs are showing some much needed attacking intent but lacking precision at key moments.

Looking at individuals I'd say Hartley and Dickson are proving a few points (especially for a big fan of the Youngs brothers).

Also really good to see us using Twelvetrees in a way that makes the most of his abilities. He's looked very good so far and will hopefully grow into the game even more in the second half, namely I'd hope to see him display his kicking game if he gets the chance.

In other news Australia are tearing Italy a new one at the moment (50-15 after 72 mins), they must just be rubbish against us eh?

Cumbrian wrote:In other news Australia are tearing Italy a new one at the moment (50-15 after 72 mins),  they must just be rubbish against us eh?

How many times has their scrum been penalised this afternoon?

Cumbrian wrote:In other news Australia are tearing Italy a new one at the moment (50-15 after 72 mins),  they must just be rubbish against us eh?

 

We need more Saints playing for England now. Alex Waller, Jamie Elliott, and Luther Burrell. Hmmmmm.
Just sittin here being all sorts of happy.

good little kick by ashton that time. very composed. i think his mojo is returning...

Not sure, I've just been dipping in and out of it during breaks in the England vs Argentina game.

doctor_grey wrote:We need more Saints playing for England now.   Alex Waller, Jamie Elliott, and Luther Burrell.  Hmmmmm.
Just sittin here being all sorts of happy.

Told you Doc!

Brown is true British bulldog. He would run through a brick wall if you asked him.. He is starting to remind me of MJ

Scotland Japan 11-10, apparently!

And we've taken our eye off the ball in this game, by the feel of it.

Cowshot wrote:Chuckle. New Zealand will be an altogether different proposition. No matter how good the win here it means nothing against them. We're still huge underdogs, especially since the ABs have GOT to want to rub our noses in it after last year, when I strongly suspect some bug did affect them. But you never know.

Just depends on how useful the Argie and Oz matches are for Englands preparation, neither impressive though thats not Englands fault. Next week the intensity will increase considerably with NZ having that match in the back of their minds for a year now.

Argentina have not given up and are getting better..

time to roll on the forward subs. men needed to commit to the breakdown a bit more again.

lawes...love it. 2 massive hits in 30 seconds.

Taylorman wrote:

Cowshot wrote:Chuckle. New Zealand will be an altogether different proposition. No matter how good the win here it means nothing against them. We're still huge underdogs, especially since the ABs have GOT to want to rub our noses in it after last year, when I strongly suspect some bug did affect them. But you never know.

Just depends on how useful the Argie and Oz matches are for Englands preparation, neither impressive though thats not Englands fault. Next week the intensity will increase considerably with NZ having that match in the back of their minds for a year now.

OH, yes, a good run out or two certainly helps. Your lads are top side for a reason and it will take some performance to beat you next week. But I haven't given up hope ...and nor have Japan! who apparently lead...

This game has gone rather flat. Needs the forwards to take a grip I think.

Tomkins out of his depth you feel