England 15 for Argentina

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I'd go for a few changes rather than wholesale! Gone are the days of the Argentinians being a easy game!

1. Vunipola
2. Hartkey
3. Cole
4. Lawes
5. Attwood
6. Wood
7. Robshaw
8. Vunipola
9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Yarde
12. Twelvetrees
13. Burrell
14. Wade
15. Brown

I like our second row combo. Was hesitant about lawes coming in...but he's been a wise pick. He will take parlings spot permanently i think.

Launcbury reminds me Richard hill. Not sayin the same standard...but he just patrols around unassuming and with no fuss and does everything well.

Cowshot wrote:This game has gone rather flat. Needs the forwards to take a grip I think.

agree. its all well and good to spin it around and try to be innovative when you're 15 point up vs Arg. try that against NZ and they'll probably scored a good% of the interceptions or surprise turnovers

Come on England FFs.

Awful half so far.

England losing composure now

I asked how Argentina got back in to this game. Didn't expect the England team to provide me with the answer!

Scotland back in front.

Its more of a case of argie being non competitive in the first half and now fronting up. England were doing what they wanted to first half and perhaps expected the same, whereas Argie are now at least mixing it up.

Don't understand taking 36 off bringing flood on and leaving Farrell on.

Just swap flood for Farrell surely

mystiroakey wrote:Come on England FFs.

Awful half so far.

+1

dont worry. 2 or 3 eng trys upcoming

It's a lack of leadership, I think. No-one seems to have a plan.

bad refereeing. arg fatties trying to pull down the maul. v obvious.

well..argie now have a chance so long as England continue to stall.

restart should have been pen england. hand on arm of jumper

Farrells kicking this AI has been utterly shocking...and that's what he's in there for...he needs to sort it out!

Hartley, robshaw, wood...all leaders they need to get hold of.this team!

Farel has only missed one this game hasn't he?

Cowshot wrote:It's a lack of leadership, I think. No-one seems to have a plan.

agree. much as i am a robshaw fan, he's no martin johnson

His overall kicking not just goal kicking.

This game won't give the ABs anything to fear...

again, lineout interference.

England will be disapointed with this second half to say the least.

Dawson blaming the England midfield. Sorry to say it of Robshaw, but doesn't seem to have a grip at present.

A game of two halves... 

Who else should be captain then, Wood? Hartley?

Did Goode borrow those pads from an American footballer!!?? No need for.that like...

Argentina have got off the plane at half time? It england tłok the foot off the gas? Maybe just kemping their powder dry with the game beyond doubt. Either way the second half has been dire.

Goode to not clear his lines, concede a turnover and arg score

cant stop hartley talking to the ref anyway so might as well make him captain...

Our scrum us alot better with this front row.

Lineout well lets see

(midfield was Dawson's word, not mine

I point the finger at Farrell a lot for this sort of thing. It may be old fashioned but I expect the Fly half to read the game and provide direction to the Backs, particularly in attack.

still time for 1 more

Don't think I've ever seen Morgan move that quick!

Poor defence from the Puma's there.

And surely Ashton will get dropped next week...

Think that's Ashton's last International for a while.

Where has this bloody been since half time

I don't care if Aahton scored a try, he hasn't done enough to stay in

Not good in the 2nd half but in the end, it was a convincing score for England. They've built some nice momentum ready for the All Blacks.

yeah, ashton is toast for a while.

No, that should be it for Ashton for a while at least in my opinion.

Just drop all the Sarries players. Evidently all of them are %#*^.

A good win for England. A bit scrappy in the 2nd half. But 2 wins from 2 Games.

So far so good.

beshocked wrote:Just drop all the Sarries players. Evidently all of them are %#*^.

Hopefully Ashton conducts himself better than you when he receives criticism.

beshocked wrote:Just drop all the Sarries players. Evidently all of them are %#*^.

The Vunipolas are excellent and Farrell is too in patches. Think it's pretty undeniable that Ashton had another shocker.

beshocked wrote:Just drop all the Sarries players. Evidently all of them are %#*^.

Only Ashton I am losing patience with Beshocked!

Oh Farrell has his strengths. And I think he is improving and I'm not sure Flood's a better option these days. However, he didn't seem to have a plan today, and has given me that impression in the past. But poor old Ashton is just dreadfully out of form and we have several other good options.

But yes, since you suggest it, let's drop all the Sarries. Be a laugh

Solid win for England.

Their strength still lies in their forwards though. Their backline is prone to too any errors. Farrall is certainly an excellent goal kicker.

Great burst from Morgan for his try. Argentina showed that they can take bigger teams on, just not adventurous enough though and they can't put an eighty minute performance in.

Hartley had a good game today. Still don't like Ashton.

Next the big one, can England put 80 minutes in against the All Blacks?

What you talking about Bilt, the big one is today at 17:30...

Of course mate, I meant for da Engliiiiiiiish.

Dickson, Farrell, Tomkins, Ashton all had really poor games - why was Twelvetrees taken off and not Farrell?

Why did we disrespect Argentina by not starting our best players?

What on earth was Goode doing in the 23?

Lancaster is a shocking head coach and the sooner he and Farrell snr go the better.

Just looks like England don't know how to play rugby - no leadership on or off the field - less than 2 years to the WC........

Well played England. A very fine first half that would put temors in most sides. Powerful ball carrying, dynamic work at the ruck and a quick defensive line that shut down Argentina very well.

England look competent and worthy third place ranking holders. If they can extend their 40 minutes to 80 they will challenge any side. They'll be tough to break down next week for NZ, who will need to be patient and it should be a cracker of a test.

kingelderfield wrote:Dickson, Farrell, Tomkins, Ashton all had really poor games - why was Twelvetrees taken off and not Farrell?

Why did we disrespect Argentina by not starting our best players?

What on earth was Goode doing in the 23?

Lancaster is a shocking head coach and the sooner he and Farrell snr go the better.

Just looks like England don't know how to play rugby - no leadership on or off the field - less than 2 years to the WC........

Well Youngs, Wade, Yarde and Tuilagi are all injured, so the replacements were our only other EPS options.

Lancaster has now fielded Twelvetrees and Tomkins twice but they haven't really performed. It might have been a bit wiser to give some game time to another centre so we have more options ahead of the All Blacks. As it stands, we either throw a new player into the deepest of deep ends or hope for third time lucky with the current pairing.

Not sure why Flood came on as a centre. It might have been better to shake things up my playing him at 10.