Pascal Vs. Bute - Final words

Think this is an interesting fight and could prove to be a make or break fight for Bute's career and for his legacy also, if he gets hammered out in style again then he will go down as a total paper champion of the highest order.

Pascal has it well within his arsenal to blast Bute out in my view but at the same time I do think that if bute can get the fight into the second half he has a pretty good chance of upsetting the apple cart.

Whats everyone's view?

At the very least I can't see it being a poor fight.

Oh and by the way feel sorry for me, I don't finish work until 11PM and I restart at 8AM tommorow and will be watching the fight live tonight as I can't get my usual Sky+ at my dads on sunday. What a ballache.

Bute by UD

A bit brave there mate, but I can see it happeneing, think that Pascal's maybe a tad too durable to be taken out by Bute who showed a granite chin against Froch, but Pascal's there to be taken boxingwise.

Bute by KO for me. 

Bute is naturally the bigger man and has better skills and more power. 

Aside from his right hand and rock solid chin, Pascal brings very little to the party.

You think Bute is naturally bigger, Pascal has been fighting at 175 far longer...?

Very intriguing fight. Gone for Pascal KO although Bute has superior skillset IMO. I just think the blueprint on Bute is out. Get on him and stay there. Pascal is also the veteran at the weight. Pascal will have to fire more combos to get it done, and can't be too reckless otherwise he will walk onto a massive uppercut, but Bute looked awful against Grachev and has show against Froch that he reacts very poorly to being hit flush. That said, Pascal gasses after six, so if Bute makes it that far he has a great chance.

It feels like everyone was picking Pascal, and now it seems as though more and more people siding with Bute on this, gettign interesting...

It's difficult as both have been inactive. But, if Grachev can rattle Bute, Pascal should break him down. Even though Pascal is crude

I believe Bute will be retired by Pascal. He won't go past 8 rounds IMO   

I think Pascal should out-tough Bute in this one. Although neither have looked a shadow of their normal selves in recent outings. Pascal has never looked the same after he two Bhop fights and the same with Bute post-Froch. What channel is this being shown on?

Gut reaction without thinking too much is Pascal by ko.

AlexHuckerby wrote:You think Bute is naturally bigger, Pascal has been fighting at 175 far longer...?

It's not about the weigh in weight. 

Bute often struggled to get down to 168, has his naturally weight is cruiser weight. 

So depending on how much Bute puts on after the weigh in, he could easily out weigh Pascal by 10lbs.

Perez really sucked

Gerry SA wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:You think Bute is naturally bigger, Pascal has been fighting at 175 far longer...?

It's not about the weigh in weight. 

Bute often struggled to get down to 168, has his naturally weight is cruiser weight. 

So depending on how much Bute puts on after the weigh in, he could easily out weigh Pascal by 10lbs.

Pascal outweighe dBute by a fair bit on fight night, Bute possibly outweighing him by 10lbs what are you on about?!?

Decent fight, Pascals tactics didn't make much sense half the time though.

Did perez look to be effected by his last fight or was it mainly down to the cut over the eye brow?

In my opinion, two immensely over rated fighters. Poor fight

Difficult fight to score spencer, it was clear neither fighter deserved to win. Nothing but a gloried sparring session even bore the cut.

Perez' distance and timing had all but abandoned him. It was a fight of misses. When he did walk the somewhat tricky Tackam down he simply lay on him.

Tackam seems comfortable against southpaws, he circled to his left when in range and left his lead hand hanging out, but with his shoulder protecting his chin, making it difficult for Perez to land the typical southpaw jab on the outside of guard. I'm not sure why didn't try to throw more straight down the middle. In light of the circumstances it seems Perez was demotivated.

I would have called Perez touching the canvas in the third a knockdown however, if that had been the case, Tackam would have won. And like i said, neither man deserved to win.

Shocking fight between bute/pascal. Pascal knows his limitations n admitted he just stopped in the last round to make it look more exciting n improve the chances of a rematch n another £2m pay day. Embarrassing. Certainly Froch won't be going over to Canada to face either or at lightweight. Delusional pair.

Perez lucky to get the draw.

Bute was ineffective. Pascal so much quicker and toying with him. Even when Bute had a steady round, he would still end up getting caught-out by the flashy bursts of Pascal.

Pascal pretty much did as he pleased. I thought it was a very good performance by him and he was a worthy winner.

I scored it 118-111 to Pascal.

I didnt understand Jim Watts scoring! (who does?)

He said that Bute had won, but except for the last few rounds, I found it pretty one sided.

Pascal won but I was not impressed. Bute was like a frightened kitten the first 7 or 8 rounds and still Pascal did little more than hover and pounce with odd shot. He was winning, but he should have taken the Froch blueprint and put it on Bute in impressive fashion. PAscal looked gassed again late on, which is surprising as heed had so little to do. Pascal was unimpressive but Bute made it easy for him. Pre-Froch Bute wins last night. Anybody who can deal with Bika the way Bute did, could have beaten Pascal.

Bute showed again that he is not world class and can be beaten by an average fighter

You never disappoint when a froch bashing opportunity presents itself Steffan.  

Was bute always rubbish? Was he good, but finished by froch? Well he looks pretty gunshy since the froch fight, so looks like his confidence has gone, but its a bit of both for me. Overrated and protected before froch, and a shell afterwards.

Bute has gone gun-shy with his punches and should retire.

Fight was a major disappointment. Both boxers didnt impress. Fought like two guys trying not to lose instead of trying to win.

I had Bute by a round but I was being generous toward the end. First 7 was practically all Pascal on the basis that Bute wasn't doing enough.

Disappointed in the fight, not sure where Bute goes from here.

The first 7 were all pascal, but you had bute by a round? Care to elaborate monkey?

As someone said on Twitter, nobody likes to get punched in the face (unless you count Froch who probably gets excited at the thought of adding to his 'warrior' mantel) but Bute always looks like he REALLY REALLY doesn't like getting punched in the face.

Pure home-town over-protected hype-job (not said to detract from Froch's demolition job).

Though, to mentioned Carl a third time, let's not forget this was only ever a fight between a guy Carl beat several years ago and a guy Carl destroyed 18 months ago. Hence why I was never particularly interested in the match-up in the first place, couldn't see what the excitement was over.

Re: The First Real Big Card Of 2014.
by DAVE667 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:48 am

Some ninny wrote:Firstly, Bute's chin. Froch caught him with some serious devastating shots to the point where his head was swivelling back and his corner decided to do him a favour and stop it. But the thing I think of is, he didn't hit the canvas once in the fight so his legs where still keeping him in there.

Thought the only reason Bute didn't drop was because the ropes were holding him up.

For me it's a nothing fight on par with Paulie and Judah. They've all pretty much had their day in the sun and will offer nothing more to their respective divisions in the great scheme of things

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Told ya!

Ended up with a score of 116-112 to Pascal. Could see how maybe someone would have it a shade closer than that, but I'd struggle to see a case being made for Bute to get anything out of the fight, even a draw.

Agree with much of what has been said about Bute on this thread. I don't think he was a complete hype job by any means, and that he still has a good skill set and all-round ability, but in retrospect he was still a little overblown in terms of reputation before fighting Froch. Also agree that his performances since then haven't done him justice and that his confidence has clearly been smashed in to smithereens. He did show glimpses of quality in this fight, but was way too cautious early on, which gave him a mountain to climb.

It's a tough balancing act, because like Wladimir, he clearly doesn't react well to being hit. No fighter likes it, but some just completely lose their cool and belief when it happens, and Bute is one of them. He totally abandons his game plan, forgets any survival techniques he may have been taught and his face looks visibly distressed. But he doesn't have the jab, defensive stance and mastery of the dark arts to prevent his chin getting checked regularly like Wlad does, though. But at the same time, he looks so much better when he's taking it to his opponent - so he's caught between two stools, really.

As for Pascal, well for me the fight didn't really tell us anything about him that we didn't already know. His attempts at fighting like Pernell or Roy (arms down, using upstairs movement and reflexes to avoid shots) basically never works, but his ego means he just refuses to abandon it, and he gets away with it because he's got a cracking chin. He still fights in spurts - whenever he really turned it up, Bute didn't have an answer for it, but he also goes through long lulls where he just doesn't work enough and takes silly shots. His stamina is still a concern - I honestly can't remember any fight I've seen him in where he's looked the fresher and more active man in the final couple of rounds or so.

As Sean says, I think there was evidence to hint that maybe a fully confident Bute of 2009-2011 would have been able to beat Pascal, but given how he let this fight get away from him I think it's a long road back to the big time now for Lucian. But Pascal will surely be Stevenson's next opponent and should at least give him a good argument.

Bute was always average.............Said it before watch Slobodan Kacar.........He's his twin brother..

Well done Pascal getting rid of this clown..

Is it me or has boxing gone seriously down hill in recent years ? It is really hard to take a boxer to heart these days, there are no heros no villains just average boxers with limited ability. The boxers of today would not have lasted a round with the boxers of the eightees and ninetees or even the early to mid naughtees, it could just be me, but I am finding it realy hard to motivate myself for a fight these days, I used to love waiting until the early hours to watch a fight, but the last one that kept me up that late was the Calzaghe V Roy Jones fight, since then I have not realy got motivated and looked forward to a fight.

[quote="LordDowlais"]Is it me or has boxing gone seriously down hill in recent years ? It is really hard to take a boxer to heart these days, there are no heros no villains just average boxers with limited ability. The boxers of today would not have lasted a round with the boxers of the eightees and ninetees or even the early to mid naughtees, it could just be me, but I am finding it realy hard to motivate myself for a fight these days, I used to love waiting until the early hours to watch a fight, but the last one that kept me up that late was the Calzaghe V Roy Jones fight, since then I have not realy got motivated and looked forward to a fight.[/quote]

That fight had you motivated & excited enough to stay up late for? Yes boxing really has gone down hill since! I wish I could think of a more appealing fight since!

Depends how you define appealing.

I stayed up for Donaire-Rigo, was chomping at the bit for that one, p4p star versus amateur legend!!

Come on then shotnot, tell me a boxer who has captured the imagination from the last half a dozen years, I do not see any legends in the making out there at the moment. At least Calzaghe had his unbeaten record on the line and he was unifying all the belts in his category and not just the three main ones, he held the ring magasine belt as well, allbeit with some dodgey apponents on the way, but I cannot see another boxer achieving that for a long long time.

Appealing as in one fighter not being way past his best without a decent performance in god knows how long.

The difference with Donaire-Rigo was neither were past it, Rigo having speed, accuracy & a style that had potential to cause problems. Also he was very very confident that he knew how to beat Donaire & had been asking for the fight for quite some time.

@LordDowlais

I have no problem with Calzaghe but Jones was a shell of his former self with a number of defeats before the Calzaghe fight. This was simply a money fight for Calzaghe & a 'name' on his record. Pity Joe didn't seek this fight out 5+ years before

I think it would be fair to say that Mayweather, Manny & Donaire have captured the imagination in recent times.

I was always lucky when I was Alex age..........I got all the big fights at primetime.....

Not sure anybody would keep me up in the middle of the night (apart from Meg Ryan naked at the foot of the bed)...these days!1

Especially not dirge like Bute............

When I first came here it was only Tyson that fought in the morning.........I guess he's the only one I'd rise for..and I didn't then....

Just recorded it.........

Like Floyd but like my sleep better...........You need it when you are 39..........

LordDowlais wrote:Come on then shotnot, tell me a boxer who has captured the imagination from the last half a dozen years, I do not see any legends in the making out there at the moment. At least Calzaghe had his unbeaten record on the line and he was unifying all the belts in his category and not just the three main ones, he held the ring magasine belt as well, allbeit with some dodgey apponents on the way, but I cannot see another boxer achieving that for a long long time.

Well Floyd already is a modern legend, so that's one. Also a modern legend is Manny whose stunning (and some would say suspicious) attack on the LWW/WW divisions occurred post-JC/RJJ.

Right now we have the aforementioned Rigo who could retire with a miles more impressive resume and be much more of a legend than JC. Same could be said of Lomachenko. Both double Olympic double World gold medallists, one beat the p4p #3 (pretty much unifying, certainly undisputedly leading) a division within 11 fights, the other looks set to be the fastest ever World champion in only his second fight.

To me that's all pretty exciting.

Also, I don't think JC was unifying anything versus RJJ - don't remember there being any belts on the line.

Wasn't the 'title' legend killer awarded after that fight?

Manny certainly became a bigger name when he moved up to LWW/WW but to boxing & hardcore boxing fans he was defo a name out there before & a fan favorite to watch at the lower weights, its just unfortunately the little guys just don't get the coverage.

I think you lot are taking what I am saying wrong or it could be that I am not explaining myself properly, the reason why I was eager to watch the Calzaghe V Jones fight was because it was obviously Calzaghes last fight and he could have lost his 100% record and all his belts, I think. Anyway, I am not saying that there will never be any boxers to catch the imagination out there, but I remember fighters like Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank, these pair only wanted to hit seven shades out of each other, Barry Mcguigan,Mike Tyson, Frank Bruno, Witherspoon, Watson, Duran, any many more, unless I was watching these fighters with rose tinted specs as I was still young, they always had an air of magic about them, the crowd loved them, Evander Holyfield is another, Lennox Lewis another, when these guys went into the ring the whole sporting world we be on edge waiting for the big night, and that is just it, the BIG NIGHT is not here anymore, the Mayweather V Hatton was a grate fight with a grate buildup and then the Hopkins and Calzaghe fight that happened afterwards because of what went on during that buildup. Now what do we have to look forward to ? Pascal, Bute, Cleverly, Froch, come on these guys do not have the same mantra about them as their counterparts of the past have had.

Pascal, Bute, Cleverly, Froch

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?? Why list off (3) guys who aren't even divisional King Pins?

I raise you Mayweather, Pacman, Kovalev, GGG, Rigo, Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Ward (potential legend if he gets his arris in gear).

Kovalev and GGG are divisional king pins ??...and Lomachenko has had one fight..

However though being pedantic I do agree with you on this one.......

Though I still wouldn't get out of bed........

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pascal, Bute, Cleverly, Froch

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?? Why list off (3) guys who aren't even divisional King Pins?

I raise you Mayweather, Pacman, Kovalev, GGG, Rigo, Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Ward (potential legend if he gets his arris in gear).

If Mayweather and Pacman ever got it on then I would be excited, but the others, meh.  

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pascal, Bute, Cleverly, Froch

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?? Why list off (3) guys who aren't even divisional King Pins?

I raise you Mayweather, Pacman, Kovalev, GGG, Rigo, Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Ward (potential legend if he gets his arris in gear).

Ward could beat Wlad for the HW and the World would go "Meh!!" I dunno what it is about him but he just doesn't capture the imagination and I'm an admirer of his. Imagine what his detractors think.

He needs to start putting a real beatdown on a few people (Froch would be a good start) and then people might take him seriously...sadly, that's not how he fights.

Boxing has definitely slipped since the 80s. I said it before on another topic but I doubt I would become a fan of boxing the way its been over the last decade or so if I hadnt already been one so I can totally get why people are struggling to be enthusiastic. It lacks the personality and quality of previous decades. Over the last few years the heavyweight, light heavyweight and middleweight divisions have practically hit rock bottom. Hopefully the likes of Wilder, Stevenson, Kovalov and Golovkin can drag them back up by their bootlaces because boxing desperately needs a few exciting, powerful boxers like these to bring some entertainment to its flagship divisions.

catchweight wrote:Boxing has definitely slipped since the 80s. I said it before on another topic but I doubt I would become a fan of boxing the way its been over the last decade or so if I hadnt already been one so I can totally get why people are struggling to be enthusiastic. It lacks the personality and quality of previous decades. Over the last few years the heavyweight, light heavyweight and middleweight divisions have practically hit rock bottom. Hopefully the likes of Wilder, Stevenson, Kovalov and Golovkin can drag them back up by their bootlaces because boxing desperately needs a few exciting, powerful boxers like these to bring some entertainment to its flagship divisions.

Dear sweet Lord in Heaven, not this again.

The guy is b*llsh*t and will get found out by the first guy with a chin or the ability to slip a punch.

He is entertaining to watch and what boxing needs. I would rather watch Wilder knock out bums than watch Klitschko wrestle them on points.

To me it's like asking if you'd rather be shot through the heart or stabbed through the heart.

So what is it about Haye that makes you sweat like a priest in playground then?