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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Feb 2014, 6:59 am

First topic message reminder :

the tour practice game started and pandey ended up being the most potent and successful bowler.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 06 Feb 2014, 11:08 pm

Another wicket for Sharma  Shocked 
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Post by Gerry SA on Thu 06 Feb 2014, 11:28 pm

McCullum is closing in on another Test 200, his only 200 so far is against India as well. 

He must love this attack...

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Post by Sangakkara on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 1:19 am

What a catch from Jadeja! That was immense.
A catch worthy of ending a super innings from McCullum.

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Post by skyeman on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 1:21 am

Sangakkara wrote:What a catch from Jadeja! That was immense.
A catch worthy of ending a super innings from McCullum.


Brilliant catch indeed. worth seeing guys.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 1:35 am

India all over the place Dhawan and Pujara gone in the first over!!

Dhawan awful technique, and Pujara with a rubbish shot.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 1:53 am

Now Kohli gone as well! 10-3!

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 6:09 am

Bad light stops play and India 4 wickets down. Forecast for good weather the remaining days so NZ well in the driving seat.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 6:38 am

inspite of the very vocal "keep it tight" bowl in right areas......ind concede at 4.2 rpo....and that is in an inning of not 200 runs but 500 runs Shocked 

i do not see how india can get out of this jail unless two out of those 2 playing and the two in pavillion get big hundreds and the other 2 big 50s.

and with an added condition that these two have to be there to see off the 2nd new ball which will immediately devour dhoni & jadeja if they are exposed to it.

strange things have happened......but i do not see how india will come out of this.

and regardless of what happens.....bloody ishant will go to eng after today.



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Post by msp83 on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 6:42 am

A second consecutive poor day for the Indians. The New Zealand innings, as expected, went pass 500 but they couldn't go beyond 503. Superb double hundred from skipper Brendon McCullum who fell one short of his test highest 225 (also against India ) to a spectacular catch from Ravindra Jadeja. Corey Anderson made an enterprising 77 before he was done in by umpire Steve Davis. Tim Southee and Ish Sodhi offered the captain valuable lower order support. Ishant Sharma picked up 6 for 134, his first 5 wicket haul in almost 3 years.
After New Zealand posted a massive total, India lost Shikhar Dhawan and Cheteshwar Pujara in the very first over as Boult got the ball to swing at pace. There will be more questions on Dhawan's technique, and Pujara got out to one of the poorest shots he has played in his entire test career. Virat Kohli was then out to an absolute ripper from Tim Southee, and after stabilizing the innings just a little bit from the depths of 10-3, Murali Vijay was consumed by another beauty of a ball, this time from Niel Wagner who had him clean bowled for 26. From 51-4, Rohit Sharma and Ajinkya Rahane put together a decent partnership of 80, but just when they were looking comfortable, bad light arrived to stall their progress and prevented any significant momentum shift. Rohit, after failing in 10 of the 11 international innings overseas after his test debut, played well for 67. and Rahane is giving him company on 23.
New Zealand scored a massive first innings total, India lost their top order for not much, and both the Sharmas registered good performances. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong......

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Post by msp83 on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 6:45 am

KP_fan wrote:and regardless of what happens.....bloody ishant will go to eng after today.



Forget England, he has already booked his tickets for Australia.......! Downright disaster.......!

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 7:26 am

At least England players had the decency to walk off the tour and retire. This is almost as embarrassing as most of the other Indian tours.

You can see why the boards want shot of having to troll around the world continuously, the players clearly dont give a toss.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:25 pm

Dhawan is not test class.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:33 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:Dhawan is not test class.

Doesn't have the foggiest when the ball moves through the air or off the pitch
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Post by ShankyCricket on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:36 pm

msp, why is Nohit scoring runs a bad thing? I don't want him in the ODI side but he's had only 2 bad tests against the best team in the world in their own den after an excellent debut series. Cut him some slack. No shame in failing vs Steyn and co. Dhawan has not even reached 35 in the 5 tests since his debut yet you're not half as critical of him. Nohit had 2 great Tests, 2 bad ones and is having a good one again. Dhawan had 1 great test and 5 bad ones. Dhawan's FC record is also far inferior to Nohit's. But clearly Nohit is the bigger problem, right? Did he run over your cat or (sorry for saying this), sleep with your wife?

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Post by Gerry SA on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:47 pm

Right MSP, KPF and Shanky

I've got a couple of questions. 

With Dhawan being found technically inept. Is it time to get Ashwin in the side as an opener. I know it's a drastic move, but read on twitter he used to be an opener in his younger days. 

Then India will be able to play 5 bowlers. Ashwin's batting record almost demands selection.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:47 pm

ShankyCricket wrote:msp, why is Nohit scoring runs a bad thing? I don't want him in the ODI side but he's had only 2 bad tests against the best team in the world in their own den after an excellent debut series. Cut him some slack. No shame in failing vs Steyn and co. Dhawan has not even reached 35 in the 5 tests since his debut yet you're not half as critical of him. Nohit had 2 great Tests, 2 bad ones and is having a good one again. Dhawan had 1 great  test and 5 bad ones. Dhawan's FC record is also far inferior to Nohit's. But clearly Nohit is the bigger problem, right? Did he run over your cat or (sorry for saying this), sleep with your wife?

i told you...even if Rohit does well he will not respect...because he and Ishant are standing on a foundation of favoritism laid over the bodies of far more deserving players
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Post by KP_fan on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:48 pm

Gerry SA wrote:Right MSP, KPF and Shanky

I've got a couple of questions. 

With Dhawan being found technically inept. Is it time to get Ashwin in the side as an opener. I know it's a drastic move, but read on twitter he used to be an opener in his younger days. 

Then India will be able to play 5 bowlers. Ashwin's batting record almost demands selection.

ashwin is not a batsmen in overseas conditons...worth even 30 runs on a consistent basis.

if Dhawan fails one more test.....eitehr of KL Rahul or more likely Gambhir will be back
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Post by Gerry SA on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:56 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Right MSP, KPF and Shanky

I've got a couple of questions. 

With Dhawan being found technically inept. Is it time to get Ashwin in the side as an opener. I know it's a drastic move, but read on twitter he used to be an opener in his younger days. 

Then India will be able to play 5 bowlers. Ashwin's batting record almost demands selection.

ashwin is not a batsmen in overseas conditons...worth even 30 runs on a consistent basis.

if Dhawan fails one more test.....eitehr of KL Rahul or more likely Gambhir will be back
You've missed my point KPF,

India need 5 bowlers. 

So Ashwin needs to be brought into the side. 

So Gambhir or Rahul aren't the solution. 

Rahane or Pujara could be pushed up to open?

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Post by KP_fan on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 9:59 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Right MSP, KPF and Shanky

I've got a couple of questions. 

With Dhawan being found technically inept. Is it time to get Ashwin in the side as an opener. I know it's a drastic move, but read on twitter he used to be an opener in his younger days. 

Then India will be able to play 5 bowlers. Ashwin's batting record almost demands selection.

ashwin is not a batsmen in overseas conditons...worth even 30 runs on a consistent basis.

if Dhawan fails one more test.....eitehr of KL Rahul or more likely Gambhir will be back
You've missed my point KPF,

India need 5 bowlers. 

So Ashwin needs to be brought into the side. 

So Gambhir or Rahul aren't the solution. 

Rahane or Pujara could be pushed up to open?

India needs 4 good bowlers........if they play 4 bowlers.......Ishant is useless and Zaheer past the hill seemingly.

Fresh , fit raring to go 4 bowlers are enouhg and as good as Ashwin is in overseas conditons....Rohit can easily match him with the ball
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Post by Gerry SA on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:02 pm

Well sooner or later the seam attack needs to be Shami, Yadav, Pandey and Jadeja\Ashwin

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Post by KP_fan on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:02 pm

not enouhg from Rohit to score only 72 runs when he gets in.

rahane was alos gone playing casually

will NZ enforce folow.on?

mystery will be solved when I wake up tomm morning.....not worth losing slpee over this game
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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:14 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Right MSP, KPF and Shanky

I've got a couple of questions. 

With Dhawan being found technically inept. Is it time to get Ashwin in the side as an opener. I know it's a drastic move, but read on twitter he used to be an opener in his younger days. 

Then India will be able to play 5 bowlers. Ashwin's batting record almost demands selection.

ashwin is not a batsmen in overseas conditons...worth even 30 runs on a consistent basis.

if Dhawan fails one more test.....eitehr of KL Rahul or more likely Gambhir will be back
You've missed my point KPF,

India need 5 bowlers. 

So Ashwin needs to be brought into the side. 

So Gambhir or Rahul aren't the solution. 

Rahane or Pujara could be pushed up to open?

India needs 4 good bowlers........if they play 4 bowlers.......Ishant is useless and Zaheer past the hill seemingly.

Fresh , fit raring to go 4 bowlers are enouhg and as good as Ashwin is in overseas conditons....Rohit can easily match him with the ball


have to agree with KPF on this one.

If they had a stokes or even better CJA yeah 5 bowlers. But bringing a guy in who isnt even a genuine frontline spinner and most certainly not a proper batsman to go along with your guy who isnt even a genuine front line spinner and most certainly not a proper batsman would be like England trying to pick Borthwick in the side twice ....and they are on seaming wickets.
I dont really see what Ashwins spin would add iin these games, and they cant even find 3 specialist seamers worth a place let alone a 4th who can bat a bit.

India are in a place England fans recognise, they need to start picking players who dont exist or get the ones who do to actually perform to their ability.

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Post by Gerry SA on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:26 pm

Peter 

Ashwin has 100+ Test wicket at 28. So he can bowl a bit. Yeah he's had a mare in recent times, but he's certainly no mug. 

His batting average is 40 with two hundreds. So it shows he can bat.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:38 pm

Agree that we need 5 bowlers but those 5 should be 4 seamers and 1 spinner. 2 spinners doesn't make sense at all outside Asia unless they're 2 world class ones. Ashwin is a rank awful bowler in conditions not tailormade for spin. Fail to see what he'd add to the existing attack. I'd probably pick Rishi Dhawan as a seam bowling AR.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:44 pm

Sorry Gerry, quoting his overall test record doesn't cut it. Ashwin is an awful bowler outside the subcon. He needs tailormade wickets. He doesn't put any energy into his action. Floaty offspin doesn't work on unhelpful pitches. Ashwin doesn't have a body action. No control or repeatable action.

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Post by ShankyCricket on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:51 pm

MSD has 2 fifties in his last 27 test innings outside the subcontinent.

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Post by skyeman on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 10:56 pm

Jeez. An innings defeat looking likely here.

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:16 pm

India bowled out for 202.

Tidy work from NZ.  clap 
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:26 pm

Not usually an advocate of the follow on, but surely NZ should here? Ball is swinging nicely, pitch isn't gonna be a Raging turner come day 5
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Post by GloriousEmpire on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:29 pm

Yep. I agree. Watch NZ skittled for 27 and India clean this one up this afternoon.

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Post by GloriousEmpire on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:33 pm

It's like I see the fricken future.

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:44 pm

Yeah, NZ should have made them follow on. Especially with the light fading the way it does at EP.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:54 pm

Yes a wicket for Zaheer! Give him and Ishant more NZ!!

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Post by skyeman on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:55 pm

skyeman wrote:Jeez. An innings defeat looking likely here.



They were not in the field for that long.

What is it these days with not enforcing the follow-on?

NZ 10/2, but it should still be a win by 200 runs.

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Post by GloriousEmpire on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:56 pm

Three down - 27 I tell you. I've foreseen it. It is their destiny.

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Post by skyeman on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:57 pm

Who said 27 all out Very Happy 

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Post by Pal Joey on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 11:59 pm

Don't worry, they'll still make some runs. Just need to see off these early spells and consolidate the innings again.
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Post by GloriousEmpire on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:00 am

I think NZ shouldn't bother with a top order, just name three more bowlers and admit we rely solely on two batsmen.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:02 am

Should have caught that one....

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:02 am

Oh lord what a dolly put down by Vijay!
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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:03 am

No way...a run out. 


Mind feicked,, it's like watching England all over

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Post by skyeman on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:03 am

GloriousEmpire wrote:I think NZ shouldn't bother with a top order, just name three more bowlers and admit we rely solely on two batsmen.


England apparently relied on one Wink 

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Post by GloriousEmpire on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:04 am

27 I told you.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:04 am

If anyone ever says Test cricket is dull, just show them that first session!!

Wtf is going on out there
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Post by skyeman on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:05 am

Lunch- Coffee needed.

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Post by Pal Joey on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:06 am

Now McCullum is run out... stupid, suicidal, crazy,...!

87 runs and 10 wickets in that 1st session.

Still 316/4... If they can try and get up over 400... then maybe a 450 run lead would be valuable. And a 500 run lead would be even better for NZ.
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Post by skyeman on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:06 am

mystiroakey wrote:No way...a run out. 


Mind feicked,, it's like watching England all over


TBF. We were never 15/4.

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Post by GloriousEmpire on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:07 am

I think what the NZ cricket team needs is a full character assasination of McCulum. Right from the top, blaming him, his ego and his disruptive influence for the state not just of this innings, or NZ cricket, but also the axial tilt of the world and the confounding nature of dark matter. He should be sacked forthwith in an embarrassing public statement and replaced with ... No wait! It was my English genes kicking in there.

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Post by mystiroakey on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:08 am

How you couldn't be positive enough to follow on is beyond me..

There must be demons in that pitch

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Post by GloriousEmpire on Sat 08 Feb 2014, 12:09 am

Or spirits in McCulums breakfast cereal atleast.

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