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Aviva Premiership Round Four
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Well, round three was another feast of entertaining rugby, with this now shaping up to be potentially a vintage season in Premiership history. This weeks action began at Kingsholm on Friday night, where Gloucester started better than in rounds one and two, but couldn't see things though against the Chiefs, who have started the season in fine form themselves. In Saturday's early kick off Sale Sharks left it late to secure the try bonus point against London Welsh, but three tries in the last six minutes got the job done and them off the mark in the wins column. Harlequins then squeezed past Wasps to get back on track after last weekends humping, and London Irish showed that they may not be relegation fodder this season, taking unbeaten Saracens to the wire in a 7 try thriller in which the Exiles picked up two bonus points. Then came possible the biggest shock result in Premiership history, as Bath thumped Leicester Tigers 45-0 to put themselves top of the table. For the second weekend running the action finished at Kingston Park, where Newcastle Falcons went down to a Northampton Saints team with a point to prove.
Prediction wise I was 4 from 6 again, with Gloucester and my own beloved Exiles letting me down this time around. So that's 12 from 18, and still no full house for a winning accumulator for me.. Anyway, here's how the table looks after round 3:-
So, on to this weeks fixtures, and here they are;-
Friday 26th September 2014 19:45 London Welsh vs. Gloucester
It's difficult to know what to say about London Welsh, as they have been truly appalling, particularly in defence. At some point they have to tighten up, and having been on the road in rounds two and three will look to find some comfort from being at home here. Gloucester have improved since their mauling by Northampton in round one, but this is their first trip away from Kingsholm since then, and there is no certainty that they will travel well. The will have to be terrible though, and Welsh will have to play out of their skin if the Oxford based side are going to win this, and I just can't see it. Gloucester to win on the road, but Welsh may do enough to pick up a losing bonus point.
Saturday 27th September 2014 15:00 Leicester Tigers vs. London Irish
How do I call this? Tigers in disarray and there for the taking, or a wounded in animal ready to lash out in their own lair? I suspect the latter, in particular if Allen and Tuilagi are fit to start this one. I imagine they will be beasted this week by our friend Mr Cockerill, and will want to take that out on the Exiles come Saturday afternoon. That said, Irish stood up well against the ferocity of the Saracens pack, and with a little bit more luck may have clung on for a cracking win. They will need to dig deep and produce the same level of performance this weekend if they are to come away from a ground where they have historically gotten very little. Heart says we can do it, head says a losing bonus point should be on the cards in this one.
Saturday 27th September 2014 15:00 Saracens vs. Sale Sharks
The GloboGym machine rolled on last weekend, despite being given a scare, and are now 3 from 3. Having rotated last week I expect that some of those who were rotated out may be rotated back in for this one, but whoever they put out it will undoubtedly be a very strong side. Sale will be buoyed by picking up their first win against London Welsh, but it's tough to judge the value of that given that everyone has humped them so far. To get anything from this game their pack will need to front up, and look as if they may be without Nathan Hines, and Cipriani will need to be on top form and pulling the strings. It is however Saracens first game at Allianz Park this season, and I expect them to come hard for the win and have too much for Sale who I think will go away with nothing.
Saturday 27th September 2014 15:15 Northampton Saints vs. Bath Rugby
It's the big game of the round, with unbeaten Bath travelling to the champions. This promises to be feisty, with two meaty packs colliding, and Saints will want to dominate to ensure that Bath don't get anywhere near as much front foot ball as they did against Tigers. It's a really tough one to call, as Bath were excellent last week but this is Saints at the Gardens and they will want to make up ground on their title rivals in front of their home fans. I think this will be a tight affair, with Saints edging it and Bath heading back west with a losing bonus point.
Sunday 28th September 2014 14:00 Exeter Chiefs vs. Harlequins
Despite the win against Wasps, I am still unconvinced by Harlequins this season. The Chiefs on the other hand have surprised me this season, as I wasn't convinced they would be as strong as they have in last 2 years, but once again they are well drilled, efficient, and have some real talented youngsters going well in their back line. Pre season, I'd have fancied Quins to nick this one, but after the evidence of the opening three rounds, I think this is a win for the Chiefs, and Quins will be lucky to take anything back with them to Twickenham.
Sunday 28th September 2014 14:00 Wasps vs. Newcastle Falcons
Having played Saracens, Saints and Quins in their opening three games, I suspect that Wasps will be pleased to have a slightly easier fixture this week. Falcons have shown little in the opening three rounds, however they did battle hard against Saints in the second half last time out. The problem is they don't look able to hurt teams with their back line, so are reliant on their pack rumbling over, but other teams have equally strong packs and they aren't likely to dominate anyone but London Welsh. If Wasps pack get them any quick ball, they have pace to burn in the back line and will score tries. I think they'll get four or more of them here and bag a nice little five pointer in this one.
Ozzy's predicted table after round 4:
Saracens 18, Northampton Saints 15, Bath Rugby 15, Exeter Chiefs 14, Leicester Tigers 13, Wasps 11, Gloucester 9, London Irish 8, Harlequins 8, Sale Sharks 7, London Welsh 2, Newcastle Falcons 1.
Well, round three was another feast of entertaining rugby, with this now shaping up to be potentially a vintage season in Premiership history. This weeks action began at Kingsholm on Friday night, where Gloucester started better than in rounds one and two, but couldn't see things though against the Chiefs, who have started the season in fine form themselves. In Saturday's early kick off Sale Sharks left it late to secure the try bonus point against London Welsh, but three tries in the last six minutes got the job done and them off the mark in the wins column. Harlequins then squeezed past Wasps to get back on track after last weekends humping, and London Irish showed that they may not be relegation fodder this season, taking unbeaten Saracens to the wire in a 7 try thriller in which the Exiles picked up two bonus points. Then came possible the biggest shock result in Premiership history, as Bath thumped Leicester Tigers 45-0 to put themselves top of the table. For the second weekend running the action finished at Kingston Park, where Newcastle Falcons went down to a Northampton Saints team with a point to prove.
Prediction wise I was 4 from 6 again, with Gloucester and my own beloved Exiles letting me down this time around. So that's 12 from 18, and still no full house for a winning accumulator for me.. Anyway, here's how the table looks after round 3:-
POS | TEAM | P | W | D | L | F | A | PD | TF | TA | TBP | LBP | PTS | |
1. | Bath Rugby | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 127 | 46 | +81 | 14 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 14 | |
2. | Saracens | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 109 | 60 | +49 | 10 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 13 | |
3. | Northampton Saints | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 104 | 36 | +68 | 13 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 11 | |
4. | Exeter Chiefs | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 97 | 46 | +51 | 10 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 10 | |
5. | Leicester Tigers | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 60 | 82 | -22 | 6 | 9 | 1 | 0 | 9 | |
6. | Harlequins | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 46 | 77 | -31 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 8 | |
7. | Sale Sharks | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 93 | 71 | +22 | 12 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 7 | |
8. | London Irish | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 67 | 74 | -7 | 6 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 7 | |
9. | Wasps | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 71 | 76 | -5 | 8 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 6 | |
10. | Gloucester | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 62 | 105 | -43 | 6 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 5 | |
11. | Newcastle Falcons | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 45 | 91 | -46 | 6 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 1 | |
12. | London Welsh | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 34 | 151 | -117 | 5 | 20 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
So, on to this weeks fixtures, and here they are;-
Friday 26th September 2014 19:45 London Welsh vs. Gloucester
It's difficult to know what to say about London Welsh, as they have been truly appalling, particularly in defence. At some point they have to tighten up, and having been on the road in rounds two and three will look to find some comfort from being at home here. Gloucester have improved since their mauling by Northampton in round one, but this is their first trip away from Kingsholm since then, and there is no certainty that they will travel well. The will have to be terrible though, and Welsh will have to play out of their skin if the Oxford based side are going to win this, and I just can't see it. Gloucester to win on the road, but Welsh may do enough to pick up a losing bonus point.
Saturday 27th September 2014 15:00 Leicester Tigers vs. London Irish
How do I call this? Tigers in disarray and there for the taking, or a wounded in animal ready to lash out in their own lair? I suspect the latter, in particular if Allen and Tuilagi are fit to start this one. I imagine they will be beasted this week by our friend Mr Cockerill, and will want to take that out on the Exiles come Saturday afternoon. That said, Irish stood up well against the ferocity of the Saracens pack, and with a little bit more luck may have clung on for a cracking win. They will need to dig deep and produce the same level of performance this weekend if they are to come away from a ground where they have historically gotten very little. Heart says we can do it, head says a losing bonus point should be on the cards in this one.
Saturday 27th September 2014 15:00 Saracens vs. Sale Sharks
The GloboGym machine rolled on last weekend, despite being given a scare, and are now 3 from 3. Having rotated last week I expect that some of those who were rotated out may be rotated back in for this one, but whoever they put out it will undoubtedly be a very strong side. Sale will be buoyed by picking up their first win against London Welsh, but it's tough to judge the value of that given that everyone has humped them so far. To get anything from this game their pack will need to front up, and look as if they may be without Nathan Hines, and Cipriani will need to be on top form and pulling the strings. It is however Saracens first game at Allianz Park this season, and I expect them to come hard for the win and have too much for Sale who I think will go away with nothing.
Saturday 27th September 2014 15:15 Northampton Saints vs. Bath Rugby
It's the big game of the round, with unbeaten Bath travelling to the champions. This promises to be feisty, with two meaty packs colliding, and Saints will want to dominate to ensure that Bath don't get anywhere near as much front foot ball as they did against Tigers. It's a really tough one to call, as Bath were excellent last week but this is Saints at the Gardens and they will want to make up ground on their title rivals in front of their home fans. I think this will be a tight affair, with Saints edging it and Bath heading back west with a losing bonus point.
Sunday 28th September 2014 14:00 Exeter Chiefs vs. Harlequins
Despite the win against Wasps, I am still unconvinced by Harlequins this season. The Chiefs on the other hand have surprised me this season, as I wasn't convinced they would be as strong as they have in last 2 years, but once again they are well drilled, efficient, and have some real talented youngsters going well in their back line. Pre season, I'd have fancied Quins to nick this one, but after the evidence of the opening three rounds, I think this is a win for the Chiefs, and Quins will be lucky to take anything back with them to Twickenham.
Sunday 28th September 2014 14:00 Wasps vs. Newcastle Falcons
Having played Saracens, Saints and Quins in their opening three games, I suspect that Wasps will be pleased to have a slightly easier fixture this week. Falcons have shown little in the opening three rounds, however they did battle hard against Saints in the second half last time out. The problem is they don't look able to hurt teams with their back line, so are reliant on their pack rumbling over, but other teams have equally strong packs and they aren't likely to dominate anyone but London Welsh. If Wasps pack get them any quick ball, they have pace to burn in the back line and will score tries. I think they'll get four or more of them here and bag a nice little five pointer in this one.
Ozzy's predicted table after round 4:
Saracens 18, Northampton Saints 15, Bath Rugby 15, Exeter Chiefs 14, Leicester Tigers 13, Wasps 11, Gloucester 9, London Irish 8, Harlequins 8, Sale Sharks 7, London Welsh 2, Newcastle Falcons 1.
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Another defeat looming....Pah this is getting depressing already
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Finally!
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I reckon we must have the highest knock on percentage in the opposition 22 of anyone in the league. You can stake your house on it, we get into the opposition red zone and we knock it on, practically every time.
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Shut me mouth!
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For Christ sake, he dropped it over the line.
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Good grief, I give up.
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Wasps have hit us on counter nearly every time. Our scrum has been a killer
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Diabolical
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Can't believe he dropped it!
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I can he's a falcons player
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We're being completely biffed in the scrum.
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Wilson should have came off a long time ago, Mullen has had him on toast all game.
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That was just stupid from Hawkins, even a school boy knows you can't just get up and keep running after you've been tackled.
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22-13 now at Exeter, really well worked try by Quins but straight away we knock on the restart and concede a scrum pen
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Yellow to Nowell for dangerous take out in the air. COYQ
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I have no idea where we are going to get a victory.
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Also to be fair the scrum penalty was a ridiculous decision, yappy, as Small ignored his linesman telling him to award a Quins penalty
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Clegg has looked decent since he came on, I'd like to see him given a few games. Socino's passing isn't good enough for Fh
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Yes that was odd, didn't want to seem like I was whining about the ref though after the last two days.
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Another try from Wasps on the counter, poor play from Falcons
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Awful try to concede
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Terrible try.
Can't believe that just happened.
29-13
Can't believe that just happened.
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It's painful to watch.
Im not sure we'll beat Welsh Sgt. We are devoid of ideas, we're ponderous and even second in the collisions
Im not sure we'll beat Welsh Sgt. We are devoid of ideas, we're ponderous and even second in the collisions
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Trayfoot on, now the fight back starts!!
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Welch drops it now..dear me. He's not worth his place in the team
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Penalty try to Falcons, 35-18.......the fight back!
We've played ok today GF, we'll bear Welsh without question
We've played ok today GF, we'll bear Welsh without question
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18 handling errors so far by Quins, now that is terrible. No team is going to win with that kind of handicap.
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Mike Brown looking a bit crocked. He's taken a few knocks - including Nowell's mid-air challenge - but maybe not too serious.
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The play has been brighter, it is the terrible execution that is letting us down. We get in positions and inexplicably drop the ball or give away a needless penalty.
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Marker should be in the bin, he grabbed a Exeter player by the neck when he was attempting a charge down
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Mike Brown injured. Lost this game. More importantly, Mike Brown injured :'(
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It's like we panic Cumbrian, confidence can't be high.
Another defeat but a much better performance imo, Wasps tries were mostly break aways, not many other teams would score them.
Another defeat but a much better performance imo, Wasps tries were mostly break aways, not many other teams would score them.
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Exeters line speed has been impressive so far
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Ouch another try
34-13
Sad face
34-13
Sad face
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Exeter did their homework. They are such an impressively trained team, well schooled and cohesive we were sadly the opposite.
Like the roman legions beating up a bunch of half naked barbarians
Like the roman legions beating up a bunch of half naked barbarians
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Fair enough we were awful bar 10 minutes
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Do you think Quins were not so good because of the influence of their gash away jerseys?
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Possibly
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:It's like we panic Cumbrian, confidence can't be high.
Another defeat but a much better performance imo, Wasps tries were mostly break aways, not many other teams would score them.
I reckon you're right about the confidence, that 14 point swing crippled us and they didn't look like they knew what to do about it. They were in the match up until that point.
I didn't realise it but that was our 20th loss in a row according to the commentator, this is getting trying.
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doctor_grey wrote:Do you think Quins were not so good because of the influence of their gash away jerseys?
I feel that could be large part of it. That and you know terrible tactics, terrible execution, terrible handling, terrible decision making. Pretty poor line outs, poor scrims, poor kicking, poor tackling, poor line speed, poor physicality, poor cohesion, poor leadership and a few annoying injuries.
Exeter also had us totally figured out.
We lost 36-13 but yet only had to make 65 tackles. Ex didn't even need to bother to play! They knew we'd just feed them opportunities. I'm amazed none of their players died of shock when for 10 mins we broke script and actually played like a pro team!
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It's just rubbish. Ponderous, unimaginative, losing collisions not taking points.
The dredge rolls on 20 loses in a row.
The dredge rolls on 20 loses in a row.
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And breath
Roll on Welsh next week!
Roll on Welsh next week!
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I'm getting a bit sick of these Quins fans trying to steal our dross status. We've worked bloody hard to be this bad, bugger off and start winning will yer
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It's a bit worrying that two teams providing a reasonable number of England players - Quins & Leicester - are yet to rediscover their mojo.
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I keep thinking you're talking about us Geordie! I admit we are a bunch of wannabes, hopefully we've had enough of walking in your shoes and we'll get back to playing like a premiership team, rather then a pub side who've been on the ale all morning.
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Sgt_Pooly wrote:I'm getting a bit sick of these Quins fans trying to steal our dross status. We've worked bloody hard to be this bad, bugger off and start winning will yer
Pfft - you guys just want our depression
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LondonTiger wrote:Sgt_Pooly wrote:I'm getting a bit sick of these Quins fans trying to steal our dross status. We've worked bloody hard to be this bad, bugger off and start winning will yer
Pfft - you guys just want our depression
You're all just amateurs. Try being a Glaws supporter, we're cursed with extra digits yet can't use any of them to count our successes.
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So in short, we're all Donald Ducked!
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Just so I know, which teams have already lost to Welsh last time they were up?
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