PrO'12 Launch Officiating Review

by Chunky Norwich Fri 30 Oct 2015, 1:32 pm

First topic message reminder :

Guinness Pro12 bosses have revealed they are undertaking a comprehensive officiating review, focusing predominantly on the appointment of the league's assistant referees.

The issue of refereeing in the Pro12 has been a source of constant debate with league chiefs admitting it has been raised as a concern by all 12 clubs in the division.

At the moment, the leagues' referees and touch judges are able to take charge of matches involving teams from the country of their birth, leading to worries over what could be perceived as potential bias.

As a result, Pro12 chiefs are now exploring the possibility of whether it's possible to appoint impartial assistants for each game moving forwards.

“Officiating is something which is under a lot of scrutiny at the moment,” admitted new Pro12 managing director Martin Anayi.

“I am in the process of meeting all the clubs and one of the good things about doing that is you get a feel for a lot of the things which are issues throughout the competition.

“It's clear officiating is one of them

In one of a number of controversial refereeing incidents which took place last season, Connacht boss Pat Lam launched an extraordinary attack on Welsh official Leighton Hodges after the Irish side were beaten by Cardiff Blues in March.

Hodges stepped in to advise referee Lloyd Linton to award the Blues a late penalty in the clash in the Welsh capital, the call prolonging the match and allowing the Blues to steal victory in the 88th minute.

It left Lam, who was fined €8,000, to bemoan a decision which he thought was completely wrong, the Samoan boss arguing officials must be held to account with the livelihoods of rugby's players and coaches on the line.

Lam's outburst wasn't the only such incident last season

After Leinster were beaten by the Scarlets in March, then Leinster coach Matt O'Connor came out strongly against the non-use of neutral referees in the Pro12.

O'Connor, who has since been ditched by the Irish giants, argued at the time that he believed the credibility of the tournament was at stake without impartial officials.

Leinster's 23-13 defeat in Llanelli that day saw O'Connor incensed at Welsh assistants Gwyn Morris and Chris Williams for failing to award what he saw as a try for wing Zane Kirchner.

“I think it was a Welsh TMO – I don’t know,” O'Connor said after the game, as he urged the importance of neutral officials.

“It has to be looked at how they're put together across the board because with meritocracy (European qualification), everything is important.”

While these issues are nothing new, the league is yet to see the implementation of neutral officials.

Tonight's derby between the Scarlets and Newport Gwent Dragons will be officiated by an all Welsh party with the Welsh Rugby Union providing referee Ben Whitehouse, assistants Neil Hennessy and Dan Jones as well as citing commissioner Gwyn Bowden and TMO Derek Bevan.

A look at the other Pro12 games taking place this weekend sees a combination of Irish and Italian officials take charge of Leinster's trip to Treviso and Scottish assistants Lloyd Linton and Mike Adamson on the line for Glasgow's home game with the Ospreys.

“What we are addressing at the moment is the appointments of the assistant referees rather than the main official,” added Anayi, who revealed earlier this week the Pro12 are exploring the possibility of playing games in America.

“The Unions provide the officials and that's important to make sure as we the Pro12 are not paying for the referees.”

Former England referee Ed Morrison, who took charge of 41 Test matches, is the man currently looking into whether the implementation of completely neutral officials is possible in the Pro12.

Morrison, who works closely with the refereeing managers from the division's four countries, is hoping to help the league achieve a new level of refereeing consistency though it remains to be seen whether that can be achieved.

One issue hindering the implementation of neutral referees or assistants is the lack of quality Scottish and Italian officials to choose from.

“We have employed Ed Morrison to review the whole pool of officials and he will report back to me on that in the near future,” Anayi confirmed.

WalesOnline

by 2ndtimeround Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:01 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:

Why is it you believe that Ulster playing in a regular time slot means the Welsh regions can't also play in a regular time slot, potentially the same time as Ulster play if that suited them?

Because it's not in the tv deal.

Quite flummoxed that you needed to ask that.

We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:02 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:

Why is it you believe that Ulster playing in a regular time slot means the Welsh regions can't also play in a regular time slot, potentially the same time as Ulster play if that suited them?

Because it's not in the tv deal.

Quite flummoxed that you needed to ask that.

It's not in the tv deal? What are you talking about?

It's not in the tv deal that certain Welsh teams always play at the same time every week. Unless you know something i don't.

How is that relevant to the question you were asked by 2nd?

Because the answer to the question is that it is not in the tv deal.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:05 pm

2ndtimeround wrote:
We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

Of course it does. If Ulster play on a Friday then then that means another home team won't play on a Friday. That's the reason for many additional Sunday games for other teams that aren't Ulster, Munster and Connacht.

It's very simple.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:13 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:

Why is it you believe that Ulster playing in a regular time slot means the Welsh regions can't also play in a regular time slot, potentially the same time as Ulster play if that suited them?

Because it's not in the tv deal.

Quite flummoxed that you needed to ask that.

It's not in the tv deal? What are you talking about?

It's not in the tv deal that certain Welsh teams always play at the same time every week. Unless you know something i don't.

How is that relevant to the question you were asked by 2nd?

Because the answer to the question is that it is not in the tv deal.

So:

Ulster having a regular time slot means the Regions can't have one.

Why?

Because it isn't in our broadcasting deal.....

Headscratch

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:15 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:
We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

Of course it does. If Ulster play on a Friday then then that means another home team won't play on a Friday. That's the reason for many additional Sunday games for other teams that aren't Ulster, Munster and Connacht.

It's very simple.

Rubbish! We don't share the same broadcaster!

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:15 pm

Munchkin wrote:

So:

Ulster having a regular time slot means the Regions can't have one.

Why?

Because it isn't in our broadcasting deal.....

I'm not surprised you are scratching your head. You don't seem to understand anything.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:16 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

So:

Ulster having a regular time slot means the Regions can't have one.

Why?

Because it isn't in our broadcasting deal.....

I'm not surprised you are scratching your head. You don't seem to understand anything.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:16 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:
We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

Of course it does. If Ulster play on a Friday then then that means another home team won't play on a Friday. That's the reason for many additional Sunday games for other teams that aren't Ulster, Munster and Connacht.

It's very simple.

Rubbish! We don't share the same broadcaster!

So?

Can you possibly compute that if Ulster and their buddies at BBCNI had a Sunday slot for half their games, then that would open up a Saturday slot for s4c? Or is that too complicated?

by 2ndtimeround Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:18 pm

Put simply the broadcasters covering the pro 12 have each paid for a designated broadcast time slot.

Sky TV have paid the most money therefore they have the prime Saturday afternoon slot, as part of that agreement the other broadcasters are not able to transmit a live game at the same time as Sky in their area of broadcasting.

BBC Regions have the 2nd choice of games for their relevant areas but as they are regional they will always select the teams that play within their region. they take the Friday evening slot as the more prime option of the 2 left after Sky have taken Saturday as the traditional sport on TV day.

S4C Have the remaining slot for a Welsh regional match, ie Sunday as they cannot broadcast at the same time as their competitors.

Absolutely nowhere in that equation does Ulster playing on a Friday, unless Sky have chosen their game for a Saturday, does it mean the Welsh regions have to play on a Sunday.
The sole reason for the Sunday games is so they can be shown live on the heavily subsidised S4C, without researching it I think they have some level of protection to be able to televise live Regional rugby put in place by the Welsh assembly.
Ultimately if you want to blame anyone for the excessive Sunday fixtures then the target should be S4C.

by SecretFly Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:19 pm

What is BBC NI paying?

What is s4C playing?

by SecretFly Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:20 pm

Oh 2ndtime already alluded to it

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:21 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:
We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

Of course it does. If Ulster play on a Friday then then that means another home team won't play on a Friday. That's the reason for many additional Sunday games for other teams that aren't Ulster, Munster and Connacht.

It's very simple.

Rubbish! We don't share the same broadcaster!

So?

Can you possibly compute that if Ulster and their buddies at BBCNI had a Sunday slot for half their games, then that would open up a Saturday slot for s4c? Or is that too complicated?

Chunky, you have a disconnect. Seriously, think through it. We have different broadcasters. Now think about that. Think it through. Take your time.

I will give you a hint to start you off. S4C broadcast on a Sunday because that is the slot they demand for those games. Nothing to do with anyone else.

by 2ndtimeround Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:22 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:
We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

Of course it does. If Ulster play on a Friday then then that means another home team won't play on a Friday. That's the reason for many additional Sunday games for other teams that aren't Ulster, Munster and Connacht.

It's very simple.

WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG AGAIN.

BBC is a regional entity, all 3 regions televise their own choice of Friday night match independently of each other.

As for S4C been permited to broadcast their games on a Saturday that has nothing to do with anyone other than SKY who have an exclusive deal to show games on a Saturday.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:26 pm

2ndtimeround wrote:Put simply the broadcasters covering the pro 12 have each paid for a designated broadcast time slot.

Sky TV have paid the most money therefore they have the prime Saturday afternoon slot, as part of that agreement the other broadcasters are not able to transmit a live game at the same time as Sky in their area of broadcasting.

BBC Regions have the 2nd choice of games for their relevant areas but as they are regional they will always select the teams that play within their region. they take the Friday evening slot as the more prime option of the 2 left after Sky have taken Saturday as the traditional sport on TV day.

S4C Have the remaining slot for a Welsh regional match, ie Sunday as they cannot broadcast at the same time as their competitors.

Absolutely nowhere in that equation does Ulster playing on a Friday, unless Sky have chosen their game for a Saturday, does it mean the Welsh regions have to play on a Sunday.
The sole reason for the Sunday games is so they can be shown live on the heavily subsidised S4C, without researching it I think they have some level of protection to be able to televise live Regional rugby put in place by the Welsh assembly.
Ultimately if you want to blame anyone for the excessive Sunday fixtures then the target should be S4C.

Absolutely. They take the Friday night slot. And they're the only team in the league which gets a regular fixture time. Which in any sane persons mind is not a level playing field.

I agree with your s4c point. They claim to support welsh rugby but are actually shafting it by not caring about the implications. However, you ignore the fact that the BBC Nothern Ireland slot is always the same slot. Which is key

a) because it means the one and only team they cover have a huge advantage, as referenced by the season ticket adverts earlier in the thread.

b) due to the fact they never waver from this Friday night slot, everything else fits around them. The whole tv deal is based on it.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:27 pm

Munchkin wrote: S4C broadcast on a Sunday because that is the slot they demand for those games. Nothing to do with anyone else.

No.

This is key. That is the slot they ARE LEFT WITH.

That is the entire crux.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:28 pm

2ndtimeround wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:
We have our own TV deal that has nothing at all to do with when the Irish teams play, BBC Wales have choice of a home region to play on the Friday night followed by S4C been able to choose from what is left to play on Sunday, it makes no difference whatsoever when the Irish teams play their home games.

Of course it does. If Ulster play on a Friday then then that means another home team won't play on a Friday. That's the reason for many additional Sunday games for other teams that aren't Ulster, Munster and Connacht.

It's very simple.

WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG AGAIN.

BBC is a regional entity, all 3 regions televise their own choice of Friday night match independently of each other.

As for S4C been permited to broadcast their games on a Saturday that has nothing to do with anyone other than SKY who have an exclusive deal to show games on a Saturday.

see post above

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:28 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
2ndtimeround wrote:Put simply the broadcasters covering the pro 12 have each paid for a designated broadcast time slot.

Sky TV have paid the most money therefore they have the prime Saturday afternoon slot, as part of that agreement the other broadcasters are not able to transmit a live game at the same time as Sky in their area of broadcasting.

BBC Regions have the 2nd choice of games for their relevant areas but as they are regional they will always select the teams that play within their region. they take the Friday evening slot as the more prime option of the 2 left after Sky have taken Saturday as the traditional sport on TV day.

S4C Have the remaining slot for a Welsh regional match, ie Sunday as they cannot broadcast at the same time as their competitors.

Absolutely nowhere in that equation does Ulster playing on a Friday, unless Sky have chosen their game for a Saturday, does it mean the Welsh regions have to play on a Sunday.
The sole reason for the Sunday games is so they can be shown live on the heavily subsidised S4C, without researching it I think they have some level of protection to be able to televise live Regional rugby put in place by the Welsh assembly.
Ultimately if you want to blame anyone for the excessive Sunday fixtures then the target should be S4C.

Absolutely. They take the Friday night slot. And they're the only team in the league which gets a regular fixture time. Which in any sane persons mind is not a level playing field.

I agree with your s4c point. They claim to support welsh rugby but are actually shafting it by not caring about the implications. However, you ignore the fact that the BBC Nothern Ireland slot is always the same slot. Which is key

a) because it means the one and only team they cover have a huge advantage, as referenced by the season ticket adverts earlier in the thread.

b) due to the fact they never waver from this Friday night slot, everything else fits around them. The whole tv deal is based on it.

Wrong.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:32 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote: S4C broadcast on a Sunday because that is the slot they demand for those games. Nothing to do with anyone else.

No.

This is key. That is the slot they ARE LEFT WITH.

That is the entire crux.

It might be the slot they are left with, but that might not have anything to do with Pro12. Post me the article that they state it is the only slot they are left with, and why it's the only slot.

Either way it still makes no difference. Ulster playing on a Friday will not make a difference to that.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:33 pm

Munchkin wrote:

Wrong.

Do tell.

by 2ndtimeround Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:34 pm

BBC Wales also have a permanent Friday night slot, its a large part of the reason we have had all Friday night home games so far this season.

But its pretty obvious you have an idea stuck in your mind that no amount of fact is going to change regardless of how wrong that idea is so I guess I will leave you to your delusion.
At least I tried to clear it up for you though.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:35 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote: S4C broadcast on a Sunday because that is the slot they demand for those games. Nothing to do with anyone else.

No.

This is key. That is the slot they ARE LEFT WITH.

That is the entire crux.

It might be the slot they are left with, but that might not have anything to do with Pro12. Post me the article that they state it is the only slot they are left with, and why it's the only slot.

Either way it still makes no difference. Ulster playing on a Friday will not make a difference to that.

Ah, evidence needed. But you didn't provide any earlier.

Of course it makes a difference. The tv deal is unfit for purpose because it allows 1 broadcaster to broadcast it's only team whenever it wants. This tips the balance of the whole deal.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:35 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

Wrong.

Do tell.

Look it up for yourself. All fixtures are posted on the Pro12 site. Easy to work out.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:36 pm

2ndtimeround wrote:BBC Wales also have a permanent Friday night slot, its a large part of the reason we have had all Friday night home games so far this season.

But its pretty obvious you have an idea stuck in your mind that no amount of fact is going to change regardless of how wrong that idea is so I guess I will leave you to your delusion.
At least I tried to clear it up for you though.

They have 4 teams to show mate.

No?

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:36 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

Wrong.

Do tell.

Look it up for yourself. All fixtures are posted on the Pro12 site. Easy to work out.

Just looked can't see it. Do tell.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:39 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote: S4C broadcast on a Sunday because that is the slot they demand for those games. Nothing to do with anyone else.

No.

This is key. That is the slot they ARE LEFT WITH.

That is the entire crux.

It might be the slot they are left with, but that might not have anything to do with Pro12. Post me the article that they state it is the only slot they are left with, and why it's the only slot.

Either way it still makes no difference. Ulster playing on a Friday will not make a difference to that.

Ah, evidence needed. But you didn't provide any earlier.

Of course it makes a difference. The tv deal is unfit for purpose because it allows 1 broadcaster to broadcast it's only team whenever it wants. This tips the balance of the whole deal.

Didn't provide evidence of no evidence? That is what you were asking for.

What sort of reply is that? It makes no sense. We have different broadcasters. Ulster playing on a Friday makes sod all difference to S4C broadcasting on a Sunday.

Now where is your evidence that this is the only slot S4C have available, and why it's the only slot they have available? You don't have any. It's another thing you have simply invented.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 7:40 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

Wrong.

Do tell.

Look it up for yourself. All fixtures are posted on the Pro12 site. Easy to work out.

Just looked can't see it. Do tell.

Doesn't surprise me, and tough. Look harder.

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 8:28 pm

Munchkin wrote:

Doesn't surprise me, and tough. Look harder.

Still can't see. Which team(s) have regular kick off's in the Pro12?

by VinceWLB Fri 06 Nov 2015, 9:35 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

Doesn't surprise me, and tough. Look harder.

Still can't see. Which team(s) have regular kick off's in the Pro12?

Edinburgh like Ulster have traditionally had Friday nights kick offs too, Dragons were always on at 4 PM on sundays last season although i'm not sure thats any help.

by SecretFly Fri 06 Nov 2015, 9:48 pm

VinceWLB wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Munchkin wrote:

Doesn't surprise me, and tough. Look harder.

Still can't see. Which team(s) have regular kick off's in the Pro12?

Edinburgh like Ulster have traditionally had Friday nights kick offs too, Dragons were always on at 4 PM on sundays last season although i'm not sure thats any help.

Edinburgh doesn't count as they are not rated in the Anglo-Welsh v I&B League. Italian clubs and Scottish clubs are not important to the debate....for some here.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 9:49 pm

Yep, it's Edinburgh, but Chunky still won't see.....

by Chunky Norwich Fri 06 Nov 2015, 10:26 pm

Check your Edinburgh numbers for Saturday and Sunday home kick offs in the last 2 seasons.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 10:30 pm

Stop moving the goalposts. We're talking about this season. You didn't see it.

by SecretFly Fri 06 Nov 2015, 10:37 pm

It's the Big Bang Theory here.

You'll find that the teams that scored after the seventh minute but before the fifteenth in 73.4% of their games over the last five seasons always came out top on the League..... go check. It's true.

by The Great Aukster Fri 06 Nov 2015, 10:39 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Edinburgh like Ulster have traditionally had Friday nights kick offs too, Dragons were always on at 4 PM on sundays last season although i'm not sure thats any help.

Apparently Sundays aren't any good for the League because the fans can't get sloshed as there are no buses in Wales. That sort of discrimination is really ruining the whole experience for those teams' fans... except for the Dragons of course who play more on Sunday than anyone else and have seen a rise in their attendances, (and general sobriety in Newport).

It's also been intimated that the date and time of the game will affect results somehow - although no actual evidence exists to support that. Maybe the best time for the Scarlets for example would be 3 am on a Wednesday morning but surprisingly there haven't been too many broadcasters looking to invest in that slot.

Perhaps a regular day and time in some way gives a team a marketing advantage? Again there has been no evidence presented to suggest that attendances are better on one day / time to another.

So what are the facts? It seems that BBC NI like to screen rugby on a Friday night and S4C like to screen rugby on a Sunday afternoon. When will these broadcasters start to realise that showing a minority sport to the widest audience possible is really bad for the League!

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 10:45 pm

Just checked last seasons. Edinburgh played one home Sunday and two home Saturdays. One of those Saturdays was because of SKY, and the other Saturday was the last week when all teams played Saturday. Don't know the reason for the Sunday game, but I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation as to why they couldn't play their home game on their usual Friday.

Ulster played three home Saturdays. Two with SKY and one against one of the Regions. Don't know why.

So, Chunky. From Last season, Ulster and Edinburgh are the same. The only home game not on a Friday, and not covered by SKY was against a Region and broadcast by S4C.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 10:47 pm

Isn't it funny how Chunky is trying to defend Edinburgh playing on a Friday....

by LeinsterFan4life Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:07 pm

Can I ask what the problem is with playing on Sundays? The Premier league usually saves it's biggest games for Sundays (Super Sunday) and even having games on a Monday night has been a huge success.

The NFL have games on Thursdays right through to Monday each week. Why can't teams in the Pro 12 play on Sunday? Everyone else does...

by Stone Motif Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:11 pm

Dragons play on a Sunday because we rent the ground to Newport County, who must have primacy of fixtures due to FA rules. In other words,FA to do with S4FC

by SecretFly Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:12 pm

...buses and trains and hangovers....

by SecretFly Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:13 pm

Stone Motif wrote:Dragons play on a Sunday because we rent the ground to Newport County, who must have primacy of fixtures due to FA rules. In other words,FA to do with S4FC

...or Pro12?

by Stone Motif Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:18 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Can I ask what the problem is with playing on Sundays? The Premier league usually saves it's biggest games for Sundays (Super Sunday) and even having games on a Monday night has been a huge success.

The NFL have games on Thursdays right through to Monday each week. Why can't teams in the Pro 12 play on Sunday? Everyone else does...

Probably makes it more difficult for away fans to travel.

Oh hang on a minute not a problem for the PrO'12

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:19 pm

So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

by Stone Motif Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:20 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:Dragons play on a Sunday because we rent the ground to Newport County, who must have primacy of fixtures due to FA rules. In other words,FA to do with S4FC
...or Pro12?

Well I suppose not, but if the league weren't moribund we wouldn't need the rent off a footie team to break even.

by Stone Motif Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:22 pm

Munchkin wrote:So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

Sorry this post makes no sense

Try again

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:24 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

Sorry this post makes no sense

Try again

This is funny, and it's funny is because you don't know why.

P.s It wasn't a parody of you.

by Stone Motif Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:28 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

Sorry this post makes no sense

Try again

This is funny, and it's funny is because you don't know why.

It's not funny. You being a twynt as per isn't funny champ.

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:30 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

Sorry this post makes no sense

Try again

This is funny, and it's funny is because you don't know why.

It's not funny. You being a twynt as per isn't funny champ.

If you thought it was funny, it wouldn't be funny!!

by Stone Motif Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:41 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

Sorry this post makes no sense

Try again

This is funny, and it's funny is because you don't know why.

It's not funny. You being a twynt as per isn't funny champ.

If you thought it was funny, it wouldn't be funny!!

A smiley and some O'horse sh1te

Classic Munchkin

by ME-109 Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:43 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Can I ask what the problem is with playing on Sundays? The Premier league usually saves it's biggest games for Sundays (Super Sunday) and even having games on a Monday night has been a huge success.

The NFL have games on Thursdays right through to Monday each week. Why can't teams in the Pro 12 play on Sunday? Everyone else does...

You clearly never heard of the definition of a welshman...

"prays on his knees on a sunday and preys on his neighbours for the rest of the week"!!

by Guest Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:51 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:So the Pro12 is being messed up because of some cr@p >>>>>WELSH <<<<<soccer team! The Pro12 is unviable!!!!

....not to be taken seriously. Just a parody.

Sorry this post makes no sense

Try again

This is funny, and it's funny is because you don't know why.

It's not funny. You being a twynt as per isn't funny champ.

If you thought it was funny, it wouldn't be funny!!

A smiley and some O'horse sh1te

Classic Munchkin

O'horse

Genius!!!

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