Champions Cup Pool 3: Glasgow Warriors v Scarlets, 12 December

jimbopip wrote:How did Moray Low do? Ditto Rhuaridh?

I disagree with you on the "playing for nothing " front. IF we beat Scaahhletts home and away then the trip to Franklin Gardens is effectively a second place play off, assuming Racing win the group, so Saturday is a must win for us.

On a tangential note; Young Pipetto is in the huff. His team played Colchester today and he played out of his skin. We told him afterwards he has found his natural position, but it's not centre (where he was picked) but as a marauding seven. He blanched with fear and cried, "I'm not playing in the scrum....ever"

Oh yes he is.

jimbopip wrote:Fes, has the second under butler hacked your account? You've been talking a lot of sense recently: as in you show an increasing tendency to agree with either Schiz or myself.

George Carlin wrote:Apparently it took a week before that young Daniel Cartwright feller had the slightest clue what was happening at Racing training sessions. Here's hoping that he's still on 'learning' time when we come to face off. Hopefully Finn Russell will be taking notes from him.

Jim - tell Pipetto that openside is the best position ever. You can never be out of position, you can cheat like a trust-fund 6 year old at Snap and you don't have to stick your head between two arses. Not unless you wish to do so recreationally, of course. Too soon. Bygones.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Just got my Pro 12 Champs book from Mrs Schiz as an early Crimbo prezzie.    She really has pushed the boat out this year (@£15.99 ) - last year was a Ramones t-shirt and the year before it was an Aerosmith t-shirt.   Although she cunningly gave me a mini i-pad to give back to her as I already had one.
Anyway I see on p92 I am pictured with me big oppo Kev amongst the flag waving throng in the east (?) stand Belfast.   Carer, Mrs Schiz and Carer-in law all obscured by flags  

jimbopip wrote:How did Moray Low do? Ditto Rhuaridh?

I disagree with you on the "playing for nothing " front. IF we beat Scaahhletts home and away then the trip to Franklin Gardens is effectively a second place play off, assuming Racing win the group, so Saturday is a must win for us.

On a tangential note; Young Pipetto is in the huff. His team played Colchester today and he played out of his skin. We told him afterwards he has found his natural position, but it's not centre (where he was picked) but as a marauding seven. He blanched with fear and cried, "I'm not playing in the scrum....ever"

Oh yes he is.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:GC, I am referring of course to my wee bro. carer and not to Mrs Schiz as she has more than enough on her plate keeping the gaff in some semblance of sanity !  Jimbo, Bru and our absent buddy ASBO can all testify to this dynamic

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:GC, I am referring of course to my wee bro. carer and not to Mrs Schiz as she has more than enough on her plate keeping the gaff in some semblance of sanity !  Jimbo, Bru and our absent buddy ASBO can all testify to this dynamic

funnyExiledScot wrote:I do wonder when ASBO is going to return to us! He must be missing the high quality chat from the Edinburgh fans, and the posts from the Glasgow fans.

Surely now the SNP have swept all before them in Scotland, he can return with his head held high.....

funnyExiledScot wrote:Pleased that Low is going well at Exeter. He'll go straight onto the Scotland bench if he shows any glimmering signs of competence.

nickj wrote:DTH was in the press this weekend, in essence he said his move wasn't about the money and that he needed a new challenge. He also said that Pivac had made him feel loved and that his offer was only slightly more than the one Glasgow countered with. He added that in no way was it an acrimonious departure and that he wouldn't rule out going back

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Good news for Glasgow, the Scarlets injury list is starting to build with Aaron Shingler, Rob Evans, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, John Barclay and also DaiTH all joining the likes of Cubby and co.  on the medics table.

Lifted from the WesternFail

"Scarlets have an injury crisis to deal with ahead of Saturday’s win or bust European Champions Cup clash at Glasgow Warriors with six of their first-choice pack missing.

Wales powerhouse Ball (groin), hooker Owens (foot), James Davies (foot), Aaron Shingler (shoulder, back, thigh and ankle), Scotland international John Barclay (shoulder) and prop Rob Evans, who was in hospital for five days after suffering an infection following a cut, will all miss the trip to the Pro12 champions.

Prolific try-scorer DTH van der Merwe (thumb) will also sit it out, utility back Hadleigh Parkes may be rested, wing Tom Williams has a shoulder strain while Scott and Liam Williams (foot), who is on-course return to action just before the Six Nations, are long-term casualties from the World Cup."

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Good news for Glasgow, the Scarlets injury list is starting to build with Aaron Shingler, Rob Evans, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, John Barclay and also DaiTH all joining the likes of Cubby and co.  on the medics table.

Lifted from the WesternFail

"Scarlets have an injury crisis to deal with ahead of Saturday’s win or bust European Champions Cup clash at Glasgow Warriors with six of their first-choice pack missing.

Wales powerhouse Ball (groin), hooker Owens (foot), James Davies (foot), Aaron Shingler (shoulder, back, thigh and ankle), Scotland international John Barclay (shoulder) and prop Rob Evans, who was in hospital for five days after suffering an infection following a cut, will all miss the trip to the Pro12 champions.

Prolific try-scorer DTH van der Merwe (thumb) will also sit it out, utility back Hadleigh Parkes may be rested, wing Tom Williams has a shoulder strain while Scott and Liam Williams (foot), who is on-course return to action just before the Six Nations, are long-term casualties from the World Cup."

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Good news for Glasgow, the Scarlets injury list is starting to build with Aaron Shingler, Rob Evans, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, John Barclay and also DaiTH all joining the likes of Cubby and co.  on the medics table.

Lifted from the WesternFail

"Scarlets have an injury crisis to deal with ahead of Saturday’s win or bust European Champions Cup clash at Glasgow Warriors with six of their first-choice pack missing.

Wales powerhouse Ball (groin), hooker Owens (foot), James Davies (foot), Aaron Shingler (shoulder, back, thigh and ankle), Scotland international John Barclay (shoulder) and prop Rob Evans, who was in hospital for five days after suffering an infection following a cut, will all miss the trip to the Pro12 champions.

Prolific try-scorer DTH van der Merwe (thumb) will also sit it out, utility back Hadleigh Parkes may be rested, wing Tom Williams has a shoulder strain while Scott and Liam Williams (foot), who is on-course return to action just before the Six Nations, are long-term casualties from the World Cup."

George Carlin wrote:So Mr Ball has injured his groin.

Anyone? Anyone? No? Just me, then.

jimbopip wrote:Firstly, Toonie has said his contract will be settled by next week. Since the Toonster seems to be firmly wedded to his Growth Mindset philosophy and it's search for Continual Improvement then it's logical to infer that when he feels a project has gone as far as it can go then it's time to move on. In terms of winning the Pro 12: he's done that and got the T-shirt to prove it. The next target would have to be improving on a European scale. If we lose on Saturday we're out and exactly where we were last year, and the year before and...
My hunch is that Toonie will be "in talks " with the Numpties at Murrayfield this week spelling out what he believes Glasgow need to make the next step. If the Numpties won't support him I can see him walking. If we lose on Saturday and the Numpties don't promise to quadruple his recruitment and retention budget, I can see him running.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

jimbopip wrote:Firstly, Toonie has said his contract will be settled by next week. Since the Toonster seems to be firmly wedded to his Growth Mindset philosophy and it's search for Continual Improvement then it's logical to infer that when he feels a project has gone as far as it can go then it's time to move on. In terms of winning the Pro 12: he's done that and got the T-shirt to prove it. The next target would have to be improving on a European scale. If we lose on Saturday we're out and exactly where we were last year, and the year before and...
My hunch is that Toonie will be "in talks " with the Numpties at Murrayfield this week spelling out what he believes Glasgow need to make the next step. If the Numpties won't support him I can see him walking. If we lose on Saturday and the Numpties don't promise to quadruple his recruitment and retention budget, I can see him running.

I suppose my only question on this would be "where would he go?".

Let's be quite clear, the SRU took a pretty massive gamble on Toonie and he was handed the keys to a fairly well oiled machine. A Glasgow fan going by the name of 21st Century Schizoid was mighty hacked off at the SRU's treatment of Sean Lineen and felt at the time that Toonie was promoted well beyond his station based on prior experience. The reason I remember this so vividly, other than the usual splurge of colourful language from said poster, is that it marked one of a small handful of occasions when I was in complete agreement.

Yes, Toonie has won the Pro12 and got Glasgow playing some damn fine rugby in the process, but I'm not convinced that there'll be a huge market for his talents. Glasgow have made zero impact in Europe, despite having some fine players, and I don't think that you can entirely blame the pack having to carry Al Kellock. My own view is that Toonie should wind his neck in, knuckle down and repay the huge leap of faith taken by the SRU in appointing him. He also needs to sort out the tighthead situation, which is a bit of a shambles (entirely on his watch).

jimbopip wrote:I see what you did there, Fes. As soon as we start considering a working man being paid in accordance with his worth the public schoolboy in you comes screaming to the fore. As the much maligned Michael Foot once said, "The English upper classes are as bloody minded a set of thugs as you are ever likely to meet when their interests are threatened".
NB For the duration of this post everyone from the dear green place is solidly working class and everyone from Brotheltown is a wannabe Englishman.

It doesn't really take a feat of Orwellian doublethink to accept that St Sean of Lineen was badly treated, Toonie was lacking in experience AND he has done a marvellous job building (Growth Mindset anyone) on pretty solid foundations.

If the Numpties don't persuade him to stay his record will see him move in no time.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

jimbopip wrote:I see what you did there, Fes. As soon as we start considering a working man being paid in accordance with his worth the public schoolboy in you comes screaming to the fore. As the much maligned Michael Foot once said, "The English upper classes are as bloody minded a set of thugs as you are ever likely to meet when their interests are threatened".
NB For the duration of this post everyone from the dear green place is solidly working class and everyone from Brotheltown is a wannabe Englishman.

It doesn't really take a feat of Orwellian doublethink to accept that St Sean of Lineen was badly treated, Toonie was lacking in experience AND he has done a marvellous job building (Growth Mindset anyone) on pretty solid foundations.

If the Numpties don't persuade him to stay his record will see him move in no time.

Ah, poor old Michael Foot. The man who delivered a decade of Thatcher. He'll be delighted to see that Jeremy Corbyn is making a fine successor, and on target to ensure that George Osborne becomes our next PM.

I wasn't suggesting that Toonie not be paid an appropriate amount, just that he owes a smidge of loyalty to the SRU and will hopefully not simply go for the highest bidder.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes and with the Fat Lying Slug MP

RDW_Scotland wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes and with the Fat Lying Slug MP

What has Salmond done now?

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes and with the Fat Lying Slug MP (Orkney and Shetland) getting away with it (the establishment look after their own!), it is not a good day for the left in Scotland.

PREVIEW: Euro futures on line for Warriors and Scarlets

The Scarlets may be looking down on the rest of their Guinness PRO12 colleagues after returning to the top of the table with their win in Italy last week, but they know just how difficult it is going to be to break their duck in the Champions Cup this season at the home of the reigning PRO12 champions.

The Welsh Region won 16-10 at Scotstoun during the World Cup period, but they have the utmost respect for the Warriors after their achievement in winning the PRO12 title last season. They will also be heading north in round three without six key international players.

Included among that half-a-dozen are former Glasgow stars John Barclay and DTH van der Merwe, both of who picked up injuries in the victory over Zebre last weekend. That was their eighth in nine league outings, but their fortunes in Pool 3 are already hanging in the balance after defeats to Northampton Saints and Racing 92.

Skipper Ken Owens (toe), prop Rob Evans (ankle), lock Jake Ball (groin) and back row man Aaron Shingler join Barlcay (shoulder) and Van der Merwe (thumb) on the injury list and head coach Wayne Pivac describes his squad, already shorn of Welsh internationals Scott and Liam Williams due to World Cup injuries, as "the walking wounded".

Opposite number Gregor Townsend believes that if the Scarlets lose again that will put them out of the reckoning in the Pool, but he also realises that a second successive defeat for his own team would probably make qualification for the quarter-finals highly unlikely.

"We know it's really important because if we do lose then it's advantage to Racing and Northampton in the Pool," said Townsend.

"We've only played one game and we need to make sure we're still in this competition after these two games. We've still got five games to go, and I think for a team to qualify they need to win four out of six.

"They would be very lucky to get through with only three out of six. We know what's up against us and we need to rise to the challenge."

Match Facts
- Scarlets have won all four matches against Glasgow Warriors in the competition, winning by an average margin of 19 points.
- Glasgow have lost their last two in the Champions Cup and will be aiming to avoid a third straight defeat for the first time since January 2013 when they lost seven consecutive matches.
- Scarlets are winless in their last four Champions Cup matches and have scored only 26 points in their last three fixtures combined.
- Scarlets have won nine of their last 10 matches against teams from Scotland in the Champions Cup though their one defeat came in the most recent fixture in that run, against Edinburgh.
- These two sides have the lowest kick success in the tournament so far, with Scarlets making just 38% of their kicks at goal and Glasgow 40%.

Scarlets have won all four matches against Glasgow Warriors in the competition, winning by an average margin of 19 points.

jimbopip wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Yes and with the Fat Lying Slug MP

What has Salmond done now?

being the apposite word.